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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 29 2013 15:03 GMT
#2441
On September 29 2013 23:45 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.


at least 5 of these were relevant throughout BW's lifespan with some modifications (eg. instead of 2 port, just wraith-based play)

unless of course you classify them as "clever timings" - how dare people play smart in starcraft!

Because if we include clever timings then toss in SC2 is da best race ever.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 15:36:59
September 29 2013 15:36 GMT
#2442
On September 30 2013 00:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:45 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.


at least 5 of these were relevant throughout BW's lifespan with some modifications (eg. instead of 2 port, just wraith-based play)

unless of course you classify them as "clever timings" - how dare people play smart in starcraft!

Because if we include clever timings then toss in SC2 is da best race ever.

No, because in BW timings are smart. In sc2 they just make the game more volatile.
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yes, it's irony, i am already tired of the people who post "reasons" why the game is more volatile because there is no Captain McDude winning everything (like that's a good thing, because esports, storylines and stuff !1!1!1), but more often, because their player just doesn't perform as they expect, so it is easier to blame the game instead of just a bad day, the other player bested him, or it was a close series that could go either way.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
September 29 2013 15:38 GMT
#2443
On September 30 2013 00:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:45 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.


at least 5 of these were relevant throughout BW's lifespan with some modifications (eg. instead of 2 port, just wraith-based play)

unless of course you classify them as "clever timings" - how dare people play smart in starcraft!

Because if we include clever timings then toss in SC2 is da best race ever.

Correct, altought Terran is still refusing to hand over the title so easily by clinging on to the ZHOO ZHOO train before storm timing. While Zerg is sitting in the back of a car somewhere complaining to david kim about how they could have been a contender. (props to those who get the reference)
you no take candle
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
September 29 2013 15:48 GMT
#2444
My dislike of Maru continues to grow -____-
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
September 29 2013 16:17 GMT
#2445
On September 30 2013 00:02 Garnet wrote:
no Flash at Blizzcon. oh man.

if maru lost we prob wouldnt see the osl champ in blizzcon, im happy that maru advanced )))
yo
elanobissen
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark244 Posts
September 29 2013 16:45 GMT
#2446
LOL NANI - I love you<3<33<<3
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 29 2013 17:31 GMT
#2447
darn, these results >< Hearing that flash threw games away when he had an advantage is cringe-worthy. So disappointing Well, I guess if he can't break RO16 next time, maybe he'll come back to BW lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 29 2013 17:32 GMT
#2448
damnit flash TT
:)
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
September 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#2449
On September 29 2013 22:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
Also, inability to a-move with 27 supply into 9 is called defender's advantage and some wise men call it advantage of BW over SC2 :3

(agreed)
And that is highly amusing
Sometimes, people only see what they want to see

...
Aiello
Profile Joined September 2013
6 Posts
September 29 2013 17:48 GMT
#2450
wow. Went to bed after Flash vs Losira hoping to wake up to Flash advancing....damn. My whole day has been ruined
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 29 2013 18:11 GMT
#2451
The night of 2-1s

Predicted correctly, Losira :/
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
September 29 2013 18:21 GMT
#2452
Kinda sad that Flash lost, but oh well. Finals predictions:

Head: (Z)Soulkey > (T)Maru
Heart: (P)PartinG > (T)jjakji

I think PartinG would've made the finals relatively easily if he had gotten into the top bracket, but as is, he outlook looks bleak. Still, he seemed pretty confident in his interview. Maybe iloveoov can help him find his Soul.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 18:24:09
September 29 2013 18:23 GMT
#2453
People just need to temper their expectations for Flash and then this level of rage at him losing shouldn't happen as much. At this point people should finally realize that BW skill != SC2 skill, and that Flash being merely good at SC2 isn't all that outlandish a notion.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
September 29 2013 18:41 GMT
#2454
So many players retiring. . . .

Now there is only Flash and Jaedong I know.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2123 Posts
September 29 2013 18:44 GMT
#2455
Would've definitely preferred Flash to advance, but I guess it's not the end of the world.

However, I definitely do understand the hope people are putting on Flash breaking through and establishing dominance. SC2 needs more iconic players rather than the flavour of the week/month. Maybe Maru will be one, but today he didn't look dominant at all.
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
September 29 2013 18:48 GMT
#2456
On September 30 2013 03:23 HolyArrow wrote:
People just need to temper their expectations for Flash and then this level of rage at him losing shouldn't happen as much. At this point people should finally realize that BW skill != SC2 skill, and that Flash being merely good at SC2 isn't all that outlandish a notion.

I agree, but there is one thing. I'd rather have Flash play BW
rinnnedor321
Profile Joined August 2013
53 Posts
September 29 2013 19:38 GMT
#2457
On September 29 2013 18:56 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 18:55 VavPK wrote:
how does maru have any fans, hes so unlikable


He has a very entertaining playstyle imo. One of those players that win engagements one wouldn't think is possible, some sick miro plays.

A great example is his hold vs Effort:





i understand casters are just trying to hype the game and i assume thats what it is. like halfway through the video khaldor says "effort was in the greatest position but omg maru's defense omg!!"

i was thinking whaT? at the start of the video i see a 2base zerg 7 food ahead of a 2base terran, then he attacks into a super defensive position .... of course i expect the terran to hold that heh...

i know its fun to watch and all lol. but ive seen way better insane defenses than that
r1flEx
Profile Joined October 2012
Belgium256 Posts
September 29 2013 19:52 GMT
#2458
after seeing flash go mech vs kangho i expected at least 1 game tvp mech from him
tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
September 29 2013 20:22 GMT
#2459
rough for flash but this is kinda expected. kangho tho letting my liquibet down
economy over everything
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
September 29 2013 20:29 GMT
#2460
I just got this feeling in my gut that FlaSh is gonna go back to BW :/ maybye not right now but if he doesnt perform well in the next wcs season in 2014 who knows? Might just be me though currently really sad for flash and a bit tipsy
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
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