On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it.
You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed.
Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim.
And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you.
On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it.
If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS.
I don't see the point of your argument.
He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style.
This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them.
That is the point. While you will get ultimatively more often punished for greed compared to TaeJa, in addition while Terran scales insanely with skill, Protoss does not. It takes unbelievably more effort to be as good as TaeJa and to control ghosts as well and spot on in addition to all the smaller parts compared to Protoss who can rely on good builds. The engagements will favor Protoss as well, as the engagement for Protoss is usually easier compared to Terran.
While this is no issue or less of an issue of you reach top level, it is a huge issue on the lower levels of the top level.
Ok, now I am just hearing excuses as to why TeaJa is winning and why you can't. If your excuse is that you are limited by your race, switch and become a champion. Or say in your current race and have a built in excuse for not winning.
No, you are being ignorant. It takes more effort to control the Terran army compared to the Protoss army. While this in itself is no issue for a progamer, the issue of TvP lies within its early game. Personally I never did complain as I was very good in Ghost/Viking (thanks for the insult btw) but most of the time you don't get to the stage of a lot of ghost/viking, because you simply have weaker midgame compared to WoL, Protoss has stronger midgame and earlier lategame and often time will end up killing you before ghost/viking. Thats exactly one of the - if not the main reason that we see SCV pulls.
Sorry for being harsh, but I have grown tired of the mob of terrans whining about how protoss and how they have to play and claiming they need to be SO much better than the protoss to win. It gets as old as Idra whining about terran when playing zerg and claiming that terran can be SO much worse than the zerg and still winning.
Sorry for taking a dig at you and derailing the thread with balance discussions. Back to MC being a boss and the closeting thing we have to pro wrestler in SC2.
Is there any other way to play TvP then? Please enlighten the Terran community.
On September 19 2013 03:14 SkullZ9 wrote: Yeah and in other streams, we cannot see the interviews ...
I can't see anything on every stream... I could buy the ticket for source but if it's going to lag like that ... i don't want to throw money by the window
On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote: [quote] You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed.
Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim.
And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you.
On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote: [quote] If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS.
I don't see the point of your argument.
He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style.
This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them.
That is the point. While you will get ultimatively more often punished for greed compared to TaeJa, in addition while Terran scales insanely with skill, Protoss does not. It takes unbelievably more effort to be as good as TaeJa and to control ghosts as well and spot on in addition to all the smaller parts compared to Protoss who can rely on good builds. The engagements will favor Protoss as well, as the engagement for Protoss is usually easier compared to Terran.
While this is no issue or less of an issue of you reach top level, it is a huge issue on the lower levels of the top level.
Ok, now I am just hearing excuses as to why TeaJa is winning and why you can't. If your excuse is that you are limited by your race, switch and become a champion. Or say in your current race and have a built in excuse for not winning.
No, you are being ignorant. It takes more effort to control the Terran army compared to the Protoss army. While this in itself is no issue for a progamer, the issue of TvP lies within its early game. Personally I never did complain as I was very good in Ghost/Viking (thanks for the insult btw) but most of the time you don't get to the stage of a lot of ghost/viking, because you simply have weaker midgame compared to WoL, Protoss has stronger midgame and earlier lategame and often time will end up killing you before ghost/viking. Thats exactly one of the - if not the main reason that we see SCV pulls.
Sorry for being harsh, but I have grown tired of the mob of terrans whining about how protoss and how they have to play and claiming they need to be SO much better than the protoss to win. It gets as old as Idra whining about terran when playing zerg and claiming that terran can be SO much worse than the zerg and still winning.
Sorry for taking a dig at you and derailing the thread with balance discussions. Back to MC being a boss and the closeting thing we have to pro wrestler in SC2.
Is there any other way to play TvP then? Please enlighten the Terran community.
Can you stop this useless and annoying discussion ?
On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote: [quote] You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed.
Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim.
And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you.
On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote: [quote] If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS.
I don't see the point of your argument.
He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style.
This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them.
That is the point. While you will get ultimatively more often punished for greed compared to TaeJa, in addition while Terran scales insanely with skill, Protoss does not. It takes unbelievably more effort to be as good as TaeJa and to control ghosts as well and spot on in addition to all the smaller parts compared to Protoss who can rely on good builds. The engagements will favor Protoss as well, as the engagement for Protoss is usually easier compared to Terran.
While this is no issue or less of an issue of you reach top level, it is a huge issue on the lower levels of the top level.
Ok, now I am just hearing excuses as to why TeaJa is winning and why you can't. If your excuse is that you are limited by your race, switch and become a champion. Or say in your current race and have a built in excuse for not winning.
No, you are being ignorant. It takes more effort to control the Terran army compared to the Protoss army. While this in itself is no issue for a progamer, the issue of TvP lies within its early game. Personally I never did complain as I was very good in Ghost/Viking (thanks for the insult btw) but most of the time you don't get to the stage of a lot of ghost/viking, because you simply have weaker midgame compared to WoL, Protoss has stronger midgame and earlier lategame and often time will end up killing you before ghost/viking. Thats exactly one of the - if not the main reason that we see SCV pulls.
Sorry for being harsh, but I have grown tired of the mob of terrans whining about how protoss and how they have to play and claiming they need to be SO much better than the protoss to win. It gets as old as Idra whining about terran when playing zerg and claiming that terran can be SO much worse than the zerg and still winning.
Sorry for taking a dig at you and derailing the thread with balance discussions. Back to MC being a boss and the closeting thing we have to pro wrestler in SC2.
Is there any other way to play TvP then? Please enlighten the Terran community.
Don't whine like Idra did in WoL is a good place to start. After you master that mindset, study terrans that are winning and seek to learn their magic. And with that, I am done with this discussion.
On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it.
You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed.
Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim.
And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you.
On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:
On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it.
If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS.
I don't see the point of your argument.
He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style.
This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them.
That is the point. While you will get ultimatively more often punished for greed compared to TaeJa, in addition while Terran scales insanely with skill, Protoss does not. It takes unbelievably more effort to be as good as TaeJa and to control ghosts as well and spot on in addition to all the smaller parts compared to Protoss who can rely on good builds. The engagements will favor Protoss as well, as the engagement for Protoss is usually easier compared to Terran.
While this is no issue or less of an issue of you reach top level, it is a huge issue on the lower levels of the top level.
Ok, now I am just hearing excuses as to why TeaJa is winning and why you can't. If your excuse is that you are limited by your race, switch and become a champion. Or say in your current race and have a built in excuse for not winning.
No, you are being ignorant. It takes more effort to control the Terran army compared to the Protoss army. While this in itself is no issue for a progamer, the issue of TvP lies within its early game. Personally I never did complain as I was very good in Ghost/Viking (thanks for the insult btw) but most of the time you don't get to the stage of a lot of ghost/viking, because you simply have weaker midgame compared to WoL, Protoss has stronger midgame and earlier lategame and often time will end up killing you before ghost/viking. Thats exactly one of the - if not the main reason that we see SCV pulls.
TL going to ban you for "balance whining' even though you're a respected member of the community. Just like how they banned me because I apparently balance whined last week.
I don't matyr, I don't insult and I don't believe Protoss doesn't have skill. I simply discuss and point out problems of the match up. While I respect Protoss players and the way they approach the game, I am the last person to not try shit in game, but Protoss players need to eventually listen as well, when a Terran tells them that some stuff isn't working out like they suggest.
While I agree this is not the place to do it, I cannot help it but sometimes rush into it. I apologize. Back to LR.
EPT
