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Did the German caster just call MC "Obamatoss"? Protoss President haha
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On September 19 2013 02:56 Pursuit_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:53 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:52 Pursuit_ wrote:Would have been game ending if a Terran made the mistake MC just did  To be fair, MC was already well ahead of Kas, so mistakes have less impact. Yeah dont get me wrong, MC outplayed Kas leading up to that and deserved the win. But Terran armies are so fragile and rely a lot on being spread out to survive. Right clicking past your opponents army = your whole army is dead if AoE is out.
HasuObs vs MMA on Belshir hahaha
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On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
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Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has  This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
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Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument.
He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style.
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On September 19 2013 02:56 Darkhoarse wrote:
Did the German caster just call MC "Obamatoss"? Protoss President haha
Yeah, it's one of his nicknames
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On September 19 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
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Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:
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Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument. He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style.
This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
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On September 19 2013 02:57 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:[quote] The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:[quote] The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument. He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style. This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
Yeah but I'm pretty sure you don't need to be as good as Taeja unless you play the level of opponents that he plays >_>
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On September 19 2013 02:57 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:[quote] The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:[quote] The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument. He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style. This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/
I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them.
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Unfortunate 20~ second supply block at 46 for Kas.
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On September 19 2013 02:53 PPN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:29 NarutO wrote:
I feel charmed that you imply I am a top Terran. While I am not, I am pretty sure the top Terrans around the world are talking to their top Protoss counterparts and I am pretty sure that by now they have tried a ton of shit, but they stick to things they know will eventually work out or at least to a percentage work out (scv pull timings for instance). Do you really believe pros are not trying different shit? Yes ? Pros are pros and it's their full time job. But they're not all smart and omniscient. That's why they need coach or talk to each other. That's also how players sometimes find a solution or a build "out of nowhere" (I mean that goes against current metagame). You're overestimating pros, they're human too. They don't always see and try everything. And sometimes they also don't want to play or learn a style they don't like just because. It's not always as rational and methodic as you imply.
If you are talking about ONE pro, I would agree with you. But it seems to be a majority of them. And we cannot judge by tournaments games because you simply don't TRY builds in WCS or Dreamhacks. For example, when Mvp did his hellion banshee strat vs zergs, do you think he just tried it for the first time? It is probably something he tried and practice and then fine tuned against his Zerg team mate for weeks.
Seeing the SCVs pulls just means pros have more success with it in practice than other strats. I am sure when Protoss learns to deal with it better, then terrans will do it less.
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On September 19 2013 02:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 19 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument. He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style. This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/ I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them.
That is the point. While you will get ultimatively more often punished for greed compared to TaeJa, in addition while Terran scales insanely with skill, Protoss does not. It takes unbelievably more effort to be as good as TaeJa and to control ghosts as well and spot on in addition to all the smaller parts compared to Protoss who can rely on good builds. The engagements will favor Protoss as well, as the engagement for Protoss is usually easier compared to Terran.
While this is no issue or less of an issue of you reach top level, it is a huge issue on the lower levels of the top level.
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man MC is so good at this kind of play
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I do recall from an interview or something where the toss basically said Taeja is this good in tvp is because he has amazing ghost control.
That was quite a while ago though, back when egtl was playing in proleague
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MC playing proxy oracles into HUK YOLOSWAG ATTACK into macro game.
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On September 19 2013 03:02 Darkhoarse wrote:
MC playing proxy oracles into HUK YOLOSWAG ATTACK into macro game.
HUK YOLOSWAG ATTACK rofl
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On September 19 2013 03:04 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 03:02 Darkhoarse wrote:
MC playing proxy oracles into HUK YOLOSWAG ATTACK into macro game. HuK YOLO doesn't involve tech, only Gateways 
Yeah then he put down a robo and my post became irrelevant TT
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On September 19 2013 03:04 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 03:02 Darkhoarse wrote:
MC playing proxy oracles into HUK YOLOSWAG ATTACK into macro game. HuK YOLO doesn't involve tech, only Gateways
and nowadays it also includes only one base.
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On September 19 2013 03:01 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:59 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 19 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:
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TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:
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TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument. He is under the impression that he needs to play as well as taeja, rather than learn from his play style and try to play to that style. This style is well known to every macro terran in EU GM, you need to play as well as TaeJa to pull it off consistently though/ I doubt that, your opponents are just as terrible as you are when you are on the ladder, so I don't think you need to be the level of a Code S terran to pull it off against them. That is the point. While you will get ultimatively more often punished for greed compared to TaeJa, in addition while Terran scales insanely with skill, Protoss does not. It takes unbelievably more effort to be as good as TaeJa and to control ghosts as well and spot on in addition to all the smaller parts compared to Protoss who can rely on good builds. The engagements will favor Protoss as well, as the engagement for Protoss is usually easier compared to Terran. While this is no issue or less of an issue of you reach top level, it is a huge issue on the lower levels of the top level.
Ok, now I am just hearing excuses as to why TeaJa is winning and why you can't. If your excuse is that you are limited by your race, switch and become a champion. Or say in your current race and have a built in excuse for not winning.
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On September 19 2013 02:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
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Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. You forgot "just" in your first sentence, I am disappointed. Who said it was easy? It's hard as shit. But it's definitely not impossible like a lot of terran players claim. And if you honestly think it's too hard for Code S players to copy then I don't know what to tell you. Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:53 geokilla wrote:On September 19 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:37 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 19 2013 02:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On September 19 2013 02:22 NarutO wrote:On September 19 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote:
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Its how protoss roll until some terran figures out how to punish it. Its only a matter of time. Someone might think the top Terrans would have found a way by now The top terran singular. Taeja. He has This. Taeja isn't mechanically superior to someone like Innovation for example. He isn't a hundred times smarter or a hundred times better at controlling his units. Why does Taeja know how to TvP macro and everybody else doesn't? TaeJa won one series against Rain, and now every Protoss and their mother quotes him as the savior of TvP match-up. Proceeds to be 0:2ed by Squirtle in IEM Qualifier, drops a map to Welmu at Dreamhack Bucharest. Taeja's TvP has been amazing ever since WoL. And his style hasn't changed at all. It's still a heavy aggressive midgame not necessarily dropping all over the place but constantly threatening it. And, this is the most important thing probably, he scans observers. You can hurt protoss if you don't allow them to see everything, it keeps their robo busy and lategame you win the game with Ghost/Viking because hey, he doesn't see half your army. Taeja just plays straight up TvP and wins. He's done so ever since. Losing that total of 3 maps you stated doesn't mean that his TvP isn't fucking amazing. It's got nothing to do with saving TvP. TvP doesn't need to be saved, terrans just need to learn how to play a proper macro game vs protoss. Please go ahead and teach us the way, I'm sure you know so much better than most Code S Terrans. (; Watch Taeja and play like him. There's about a year worth of VODs out there with him playing the same style and trashing protoss with it. If we can all play like Taeja, then we won't be watching WCS. We'd be playing in the WCS. I don't see the point of your argument.
To be fair,
11-11 wasn't impossible to deal with before barracks nerf
TvZ late game wasn't impossible before snipe nerf
TvP wasn't impossible before EMP nerf
TvZ wasn't impossible before fungals nerf
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MC manhandled this group. 4-0.
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