★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
63%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
25%
★★★ - Good game (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 2?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 2?
★★★ - Good game (4)
40%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
40%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 3?
★★★ - Good game (5)
83%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 2?
★★★ - Good game (1)
50%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
50%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
2 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
80%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
29%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
7%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers match game 2?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (24)
86%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
4%
★★★ - Good game (1)
4%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
4%
28 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers match game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (8)
80%
★★★ - Good game (1)
10%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match game 2?
★★★ - Good game (3)
100%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match game 3?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
38%
★★★ - Good game (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
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On September 18 2013 07:11 Dunmer wrote: Goswser just needs to watch those filler words like "Umm" and "I think" and he seems like he will do a good job
seems okay, I think maybe it's just chemistry with gretorp. he could be a good quiet caster, kinda like throzain at homestories
I like how the changed the overlay (yesterday the twitch logo covered supply of on player and font was very small), but the brightness/gamma is still bad :/
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
63%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
25%
★★★ - Good game (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Oz vs Suppy game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On September 18 2013 07:43 bluQ wrote: those two matches ... suppy ... not looking too promising.
i was so ahead second match T_T what do u mean
you were but threw it kinda :/ gosowser kinda summed it up for me. He said something along; suppy had a lead but now not anymore because he choose the wrong tech. (around midgame when not teching to hive to build viper, instead building corrupters).
On September 18 2013 07:43 bluQ wrote: those two matches ... suppy ... not looking too promising.
i was so ahead second match T_T what do u mean
Hey Suppy! :D Don't worry, keep fighting!
I *think* the problem may have been a lack of roaches to tank the Colossi shots, so Suppy's hydras died too quickly. I know roaches are supply heavy, but Suppy did have a handful that he sent up earlier to draw the Protoss army out of position. Either more roaches in that battle or don't engage in that location against a Protoss composition like that. I apologize in advance for being a Plat player trying to give advice >_<
o snap it is! 15 OC 15 rax 15 gas 15 reactor 15 2nd depot. 150 min 150 gas and depot finishes all same time.
WOoooooot! You get sick fast 3 reaper.
Totally glad he did that build. Byun did it to him on ladder and just shat on his face. I copied it, and took my free TvT wins. Also do it TvZ but cut 1 off each gas and go 3 OC
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
new terran meta: make a shitload of reapers, trade inefficiently, win anyways because the opponent traded even more inefficiently with their own reapers before
Why was Demuslim just marching his entire army without a forward scout (e.g. one or two marines) at all? He got burned by that widow mine and then got burned by not sieging his tanks nearly early enough He tried to scan ahead, but there was nothing there at the natural and then it was too late.
I really don't get why players that get that many hellions don't just research transformation servos. It seems like such a waste of production time to be producing hellbats and hellions separately. :\
On September 18 2013 08:20 Daralii wrote: I really don't get why players that get that many hellions don't just research transformation servos. It seems like such a waste of production time to be producing hellbats and hellions separately. :\
I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
40%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On September 18 2013 08:23 Jacmert wrote: I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
Just want to say this overlay is not as bas as yesterday's but it's written so small it's unreadable. Also just let the minerals/gas/supplies in the same order what's the point in mirroring ? Just making it hard to understand ?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Demuslim game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On September 18 2013 08:23 Jacmert wrote: I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
they have families too...
Lol. Well, the better a job they do of scouting, the more likely their army will survive and their families back home won't be overrun by the enemy swarm / golden armada / other Terran army. So, in summary: war sucks.
On September 18 2013 08:23 Jacmert wrote: I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
they have families too...
Lol. Well, the better a job they do of scouting, the more likely their army will survive and their families back home won't be overrun by the enemy swarm / golden armada / other Terran army. So, in summary: war sucks.
Life's a bitch and then you die. That's why we get high cause you never know when you're gonna go. Life's a bitch and then you die.
On September 18 2013 08:23 Jacmert wrote: I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
they have families too...
Lol. Well, the better a job they do of scouting, the more likely their army will survive and their families back home won't be overrun by the enemy swarm / golden armada / other Terran army. So, in summary: war sucks.
Life's a bitch and then you die. That's why we get high cause you never know when you're gonna go. Life's a bitch and then you die.
Everyone knows AZ's verse is way better than Nas' on that song.
On September 18 2013 08:23 Jacmert wrote: I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
they have families too...
Lol. Well, the better a job they do of scouting, the more likely their army will survive and their families back home won't be overrun by the enemy swarm / golden armada / other Terran army. So, in summary: war sucks.
Life's a bitch and then you die. That's why we get high cause you never know when you're gonna go. Life's a bitch and then you die.
On September 18 2013 08:23 Jacmert wrote: I don't get it. Terrans have a 50 mineral Marine that they can stim for increased movement speed to scout ahead of their armies. It's a throwaway unit that's ideal for forward scouting. Just send a marine or two ahead and don't lose your entire army due to being caught out of position!
they have families too...
Lol. Well, the better a job they do of scouting, the more likely their army will survive and their families back home won't be overrun by the enemy swarm / golden armada / other Terran army. So, in summary: war sucks.
Life's a bitch and then you die. That's why we get high cause you never know when you're gonna go. Life's a bitch and then you die.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
50%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
2 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On September 18 2013 09:10 stuchiu wrote: Hahahahahah, where is the MSC?
A lot of Protoss players are pretty reckless with their MSC. Oz lost it for 0 damage last game, and had it way out of position this game. That snowballed to him losing.
On September 18 2013 09:23 TT1 wrote: rofl apoc lost the game on akilon? i stopped watching cus i thought there was no way he could lose
Yeah Oz went for a 4 gate w/ warp prism attack, which did enough damage that Oz was able to pull even. The follow up push w/ three colossi won the game for him.
On September 18 2013 09:23 TT1 wrote: rofl apoc lost the game on akilon? i stopped watching cus i thought there was no way he could lose
Yeah Oz went for a 4 gate w/ warp prism attack, which did enough damage that Oz was able to pull even. The follow up push w/ three colossi won the game for him.
On September 18 2013 09:23 TT1 wrote: rofl apoc lost the game on akilon? i stopped watching cus i thought there was no way he could lose
Yeah Oz went for a 4 gate w/ warp prism attack, which did enough damage that Oz was able to pull even. The follow up push w/ three colossi won the game for him.
i cant even imagine that situation :O, so odd
The weirdest part was Apoc looked like he had it. 4 bunkers and marines in his main to stop the warp prism. Then Oz killed off two bunkers with good FF, pulled Apoc out of position, and did a bunch of damage with warp prism-ed zealots in the main.
On September 18 2013 09:30 TT1 wrote: why no resume from rep? apoc had a b.o advantage tt
Because no one is watching them and they can cheat and look at the build orders...
hmm i think they have a b.o hider and they could have made sure neither of them watched the rep, also i think they have like a 10 min delay so its hard for anyone to tell them their builds
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
29%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
7%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
A few minutes before the match was broadcast (at a delay) demuslim tweets "I have a very honerable teammate", which has since been deleted. We all now understand that cryptic tweet.
On September 18 2013 09:56 itsbecca wrote: A few minutes before the match was broadcast demuslim tweets "I have a very honerable teammate", which has since been deleted. We all now understand that cryptic tweet.
Maybe some day foreigners will get over the fact that cheese is part of the game, It's not like the greatest Starcraft 2 player ever won a GSL on the back of it or anything.
On September 18 2013 09:56 itsbecca wrote: A few minutes before the match was broadcast demuslim tweets "I have a very honerable teammate", which has since been deleted. We all now understand that cryptic tweet.
Maybe some day foreigners will get over the fact that cheese is part of the game, It's not like the greatest Starcraft 2 player ever won a GSL on the back of it or anything.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
4%
28 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers match game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (8)
80%
★★★ - Good game (1)
10%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On September 18 2013 09:56 itsbecca wrote: A few minutes before the match was broadcast demuslim tweets "I have a very honerable teammate", which has since been deleted. We all now understand that cryptic tweet.
Maybe some day foreigners will get over the fact that cheese is part of the game, It's not like the greatest Starcraft 2 player ever won a GSL on the back of it or anything.
Cheesing someone you have scouted is good strategy. Creating your own build order wins is just as much skill as macro games IMO.
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★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
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28 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers match game 2?
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On September 18 2013 09:59 Larkin wrote: If Suppy doesn't beat Apocalypse now it's gonna be a bit of a pisstake.
Well honestly, Demuslim got a shot to beat Apocalypse and didn't manage it. So even if Suppy loses it's not like, "OMG if Demuslim didn't get cheesed out by Suppy he would've advanced!"
On September 18 2013 09:56 itsbecca wrote: A few minutes before the match was broadcast demuslim tweets "I have a very honerable teammate", which has since been deleted. We all now understand that cryptic tweet.
Maybe some day foreigners will get over the fact that cheese is part of the game, It's not like the greatest Starcraft 2 player ever won a GSL on the back of it or anything.
Well, if you don't like cheese or aggressive play you just have to get as good as Taeja at stopping it. He at least usually scv scouts after rax on this map.
On September 18 2013 09:59 Larkin wrote: If Suppy doesn't beat Apocalypse now it's gonna be a bit of a pisstake.
Well honestly, Demuslim got a shot to beat Apocalypse and didn't manage it. So even if Suppy loses it's not like, "OMG if Demuslim didn't get cheesed out by Suppy he would've advanced!"
Not necessarily, no. But if Apoc 2-0s Suppy convincingly whereas Demu lost 2-1 in an interesting series before, people might think Demu more capable.
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 1?
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that's why i don't understand bio thor... to protect thors you have to clump up marines around them and march slowly, and slow clumped marines = baneling meat
i mean top level koreans can probably pull it off but apparently not apocalypse
On September 18 2013 10:33 Dodgin wrote: Gosu should quit being a full time player and join NASL, he's pretty good at casting and It's a nice change of pace.
Not to mention he can get some of that castermoney Naniwa always talks about.
Bummer is, he's on the upper end of NA players, so it would actually be a loss. But hey, Tod casted and played in premier, why shouldn't Goswser?
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 2?
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I just tuned in, could have sworn that guy on the left was familiar but had no idea who it was. Then I saw goswser on the overlay, holy chit dat haircut. He looks a lot more professional, grats to him on making it to the casting desk.
On September 18 2013 10:50 Neazbo wrote: I just tuned in, could have sworn that guy on the left was familiar but had no idea who it was. Then I saw goswser on the overlay, holy chit dat haircut. He looks a lot more professional, grats to him on making it to the casting desk.
On September 18 2013 10:47 Otolia wrote: It must suck to be DeMusliM right now.
Nah,he got a new rig so he can stream.
And Suppy is getting a good education while kicking more ass than him.
I think that's why it sucks to be DeMusliM right now, when Snute lost to Suppy and didn't advance to premier he wrote that blog and apparently got really depressed. Seeing part time foreigners beating you out must be hard for these guys.
On September 18 2013 10:58 Shellshock wrote: fuck. I knew I should have liquibetted Apoc. I always underrate him in the Ro32
I went Oz/Suppy as well T_T.
For some reason I can only think of those horrible games vs Nestea in season 1 although he has pretty much played better than that every other time I've seen him
On September 18 2013 10:58 Shellshock wrote: fuck. I knew I should have liquibetted Apoc. I always underrate him in the Ro32
I went Oz/Suppy as well T_T.
For some reason I can only think of those horrible games vs Nestea in season 1 although he has pretty much played better than that every other time I've seen him
Well let's be honest those games were awful enough that the memory fades slowly...
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
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★★★ - Good game (2)
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★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
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★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
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★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
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8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 3?
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On September 18 2013 10:47 Otolia wrote: It must suck to be DeMusliM right now.
Nah,he got a new rig so he can stream.
And Suppy is getting a good education while kicking more ass than him.
I think that's why it sucks to be DeMusliM right now, when Snute lost to Suppy and didn't advance to premier he wrote that blog and apparently got really depressed. Seeing part time foreigners beating you out must be hard for these guys.
I can definitely understand that.
HOWEVER, both demuslim and snute (from what i've seen, maybe i'm wrong) seem to have fundamental flaws in their play that they refuse to fix. Demuslim plays really really greedy without scouting, but is super strong in the midgame and late game because of his early game greed and his micro, macro, and general game sense. With respect to Snute, I believe Nerchio's response in the blog that Snute wrote was accurate in describing his flaws.
I think Vibe's strongest matchup is his ZvZ, but he pretty much has 0 chance against Jaedong. If Nestea doesn't show up in form, Vibe could beat him. His last series in WCS against theStC was a pretty close 2-1 if I recall correctly so you never know.
On September 18 2013 10:47 Otolia wrote: It must suck to be DeMusliM right now.
Nah,he got a new rig so he can stream.
And Suppy is getting a good education while kicking more ass than him.
I think that's why it sucks to be DeMusliM right now, when Snute lost to Suppy and didn't advance to premier he wrote that blog and apparently got really depressed. Seeing part time foreigners beating you out must be hard for these guys.
I can definitely understand that.
HOWEVER, both demuslim and snute (from what i've seen, maybe i'm wrong) seem to have fundamental flaws in their play that they refuse to fix. Demuslim plays really really greedy without scouting, but is super strong in the midgame and late game because of his early game greed and his micro, macro, and general game sense. With respect to Snute, I believe Nerchio's response in the blog that Snute wrote was accurate in describing his flaws.
I agree with you. I'm not saying It's their right to win because they're full time players, just that it can hit them hard emotionally to see other players who don't put in as many hours doing better than them.
On September 18 2013 10:47 Otolia wrote: It must suck to be DeMusliM right now.
Nah,he got a new rig so he can stream.
And Suppy is getting a good education while kicking more ass than him.
I think that's why it sucks to be DeMusliM right now, when Snute lost to Suppy and didn't advance to premier he wrote that blog and apparently got really depressed. Seeing part time foreigners beating you out must be hard for these guys.
I can definitely understand that.
HOWEVER, both demuslim and snute (from what i've seen, maybe i'm wrong) seem to have fundamental flaws in their play that they refuse to fix. Demuslim plays really really greedy without scouting, but is super strong in the midgame and late game because of his early game greed and his micro, macro, and general game sense. With respect to Snute, I believe Nerchio's response in the blog that Snute wrote was accurate in describing his flaws.
I agree with you. I'm not saying It's their right to win because they're full time players, just that it can hit them hard emotionally to see other players who don't put in as many hours doing better than them.
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
On September 18 2013 14:14 GunPaladin wrote: *kicks over chair
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
You should mark this as a joke because sometimes mods get a little antsy and don't like suggestions of match fixing :p
On September 18 2013 14:14 GunPaladin wrote: *kicks over chair
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
You should mark this as a joke because sometimes mods get a little antsy and don't like suggestions of match fixing :p
Bummer to see Demu go out like that, but growing in this game is a bumpy road for most players. I'm sure this will cause some healthy reconsidering of his habit of predictably super standard play in certain matchups.
I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
It's an individual league for fucks sake, everyone is your enemy, no one is your friend. You win the games in any way possible. Only a child could possibly hold a grudge over the way someone beat you.
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
Demuslim can also forget about winning anything against Suppy in the future. Demuslim's 25 hours/day practice (as I have seen him do all these time) is good enough for last place. Winning a couple ladder games against NA players then getting stomped in every tournament is not a good way to continue as a pro.
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
It's an individual league for fucks sake, everyone is your enemy, no one is your friend. You win the games in any way possible. Only a child could possibly hold a grudge over the way someone beat you.
Yup, having that mentality lost Idra a lot of friends on EG. Suppy took advantage of a teammate who has been his practice partner and given him advice many times. Should have played more honorably.
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
It's an individual league for fucks sake, everyone is your enemy, no one is your friend. You win the games in any way possible. Only a child could possibly hold a grudge over the way someone beat you.
Yup, having that mentality lost Idra a lot of friends on EG. Suppy took advantage of a teammate who has been his practice partner and given him advice many times. Should have played more honorably.
Demuslim would be the first to tell you that you're wrong
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
Demuslim can also forget about winning anything against Suppy in the future. Demuslim's 25 hours/day practice (as I have seen him do all these time) is good enough for last place. Winning a couple ladder games against NA players then getting stomped in every tournament is not a good way to continue as a pro.
To Demu's credit, he did make it to ro16 in last season's premier league, and he has qualified twice for premier league, so it's not like he's just doing nothing. You think that's easy? Talk to all the pros who weren't able to do it. Yeah, it's frustrating for him, I'm sure, but if he uses these rough, highly viewed bumps in the road as a learning experience, I'm sure he'll do fine. I do think he's the better player between him and Suppy (even though Suppy beat him at MLG), and I don't see how losing to Suppy today means he should forget about winning anything against Suppy in the future, lol. I don't think that your attitude toward losing would be a good way to continue as a pro, IMO. "Welp, I lost kinda hard today. I guess everything was for nothing and I should quit!" More than a little aggressive, as well. It's funny that we're deliberating over the two players who didn't advance out of their group.
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
It's an individual league for fucks sake, everyone is your enemy, no one is your friend. You win the games in any way possible. Only a child could possibly hold a grudge over the way someone beat you.
Yup, having that mentality lost Idra a lot of friends on EG. Suppy took advantage of a teammate who has been his practice partner and given him advice many times. Should have played more honorably.
The only thing Suppy took advantage of was Demuslim's greedy builds, this has nothing to do with " honor ". Playing the game one way is no more honorable than another way. The only thing Demuslim can be justifiably angry about is losing, not losing to Suppy, not angry at Suppy for playing to win. This code of " Honor " doesn't exist in the minds of the top players in this game so it has no reason to exist for foreigners who for some reason want to continue to latch onto this idea of cheese is dishonorable and awful. A cheesy build once won a GSL for the greatest player of all time, and the poor Protoss he dishonorably defeated went on to join the same team(and presumably became friends) shortly afterwards. NesTea cheesed Losira out in the final game of their GSL finals, do you think he held a grudge?
On September 18 2013 14:39 PesteNoire wrote: I guess Suppy can forget about Demuslim playing practice games with him and giving him tips as I have seen him do before on stream. I guess winning for the chance to not move on anyway vs Apoc is more important to chemistry of your team to Suppy
It's an individual league for fucks sake, everyone is your enemy, no one is your friend. You win the games in any way possible. Only a child could possibly hold a grudge over the way someone beat you.
Yup, having that mentality lost Idra a lot of friends on EG. Suppy took advantage of a teammate who has been his practice partner and given him advice many times. Should have played more honorably.
OH NOOOOO..........All these times I have not been an honorable person on ladder. And I thought I have honor all these years growing up.
This is gold. I didnt see the games but if DemusliM was greedy he took a chance. Suppy seemed to either anticipate it or scout (as said didnt see games) and took his chance to beat him there. I can imagine DemusliM being upset about his loss but I feel he is the last person to carry it out on his teammate.
DemusliM would have taken the same chance if you give it to him I can guarantee and you know why? His job is to win, not to be a jolly fellow to his teammate. When the game is on he is just another Zerg. I played DemusliM in EPS when we were mates. He didnt lose but he is a very good Person and while he knew we would play in EPS he did still help me out in TvT etc.
On September 18 2013 14:14 GunPaladin wrote: *kicks over chair
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
You should mark this as a joke because sometimes mods get a little antsy and don't like suggestions of match fixing :p
joke? I never suggested any match fixing, I just don't like to see EG players meetup in group play.
On September 18 2013 14:14 GunPaladin wrote: *kicks over chair
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
You should mark this as a joke because sometimes mods get a little antsy and don't like suggestions of match fixing :p
joke? I never suggested any match fixing, I just don't like to see EG players meetup in group play.
Without context,
...SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren.
sounds pretty bad. I mean I understand what you are saying but it's pretty easy to interpret that as such.
On September 18 2013 14:14 GunPaladin wrote: *kicks over chair
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
You should mark this as a joke because sometimes mods get a little antsy and don't like suggestions of match fixing :p
joke? I never suggested any match fixing, I just don't like to see EG players meetup in group play.
On September 18 2013 14:14 GunPaladin wrote: *kicks over chair
TOTAL BS!!! Three EG members all in the same group? seriously? SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren. Will we ever get a fair shake?
You should mark this as a joke because sometimes mods get a little antsy and don't like suggestions of match fixing :p
joke? I never suggested any match fixing, I just don't like to see EG players meetup in group play.
Without context,
...SHENANIGANS!!!! I'm so tired of the powers that be using their influence to stifle my EG brethren.
sounds pretty bad. I mean I understand what you are saying but it's pretty easy to interpret that as such.
'I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.'
is very fitting :D
I know you think I know what you think I know, but I don't think you realize I don't understand what you think I know.
Having three guys from the same team in a group where only two can advance is so silly and cruel. I wish WCS had a system with a random, but maximized team spread.
On September 18 2013 17:32 Daswollvieh wrote: Having three guys from the same team in a group where only two can advance is so silly and cruel. I wish WCS had a system with a random, but maximized team spread.
Well, it also means that one of the team is guarantee'd to make it through. If they are spread to one per group, there's a quite big chance that no one of them gets to Ro16
Eventhough Demuslim is quite talented, I think he'll never have what it takes to go far in a tournament. At this point he's just a good streamer and that's it.
On September 18 2013 19:18 Morphage wrote: Eventhough Demuslim is quite talented, I think he'll never have what it takes to go far in a tournament. At this point he's just a good streamer and that's it.
On September 18 2013 15:17 NarutO wrote: This is gold. I didnt see the games but if DemusliM was greedy he took a chance. Suppy seemed to either anticipate it or scout (as said didnt see games) and took his chance to beat him there. I can imagine DemusliM being upset about his loss but I feel he is the last person to carry it out on his teammate.
DemusliM would have taken the same chance if you give it to him I can guarantee and you know why? His job is to win, not to be a jolly fellow to his teammate. When the game is on he is just another Zerg. I played DemusliM in EPS when we were mates. He didnt lose but he is a very good Person and while he knew we would play in EPS he did still help me out in TvT etc.
Demuslim just did what he does every single tvz and every person on earth knows it: The cc first no scouting build. That build leaves you a bit vulnerable before you have wall off + hellions out which Suppy took advantage of in G2. Suppy probably just tested a build that was supposed to punish that exact timing. Demuslim had just been too lazy too test his own builds for various weakness's, and instead just uses a build that does well the majority of the time on the ladder. In G1 he obv. had not taking into account that thesurface area for cc first was kinda bad on that map.
Both of the losses simply comes down to Suppy outsmarting Demusilm. Demuslim is a fantastic mechanical player, however he is either too lazy or too dumb to figure out how to play a series of games and how to optimize build orders.
Its a bit of a shame that this kind of talent is just wasted, and I think Demuslim would benefit extremely much if EG had en experienced coach helping him to think about strategies.
The one thing I'll agree with idra on is that Demuslim is the greediest player and a huge risk taker and not nearly as good as people.
I've been watching him mindlessly expand at the 3rd base at the 5 min mark in TvZ since the metalopolis days. Also see him go cc first, rax, cc in TvP.... His mechanics aren't the greatest and a lot of his wins come from eco cheese wins. Glad Suppy saw through it and punished him, perhaps it will incite Demuslim to play safer.
On September 18 2013 19:18 Morphage wrote: Eventhough Demuslim is quite talented, I think he'll never have what it takes to go far in a tournament. At this point he's just a good streamer and that's it.
in other words, he's a foreigner. yeah, i agree.
Good definition. Imo its almost the maximum you could get from non-korean training. (Naniwa has some good runs in tournaments, so he is the maximum).
On September 18 2013 15:17 NarutO wrote: This is gold. I didnt see the games but if DemusliM was greedy he took a chance. Suppy seemed to either anticipate it or scout (as said didnt see games) and took his chance to beat him there. I can imagine DemusliM being upset about his loss but I feel he is the last person to carry it out on his teammate.
DemusliM would have taken the same chance if you give it to him I can guarantee and you know why? His job is to win, not to be a jolly fellow to his teammate. When the game is on he is just another Zerg. I played DemusliM in EPS when we were mates. He didnt lose but he is a very good Person and while he knew we would play in EPS he did still help me out in TvT etc.
Demuslim just did what he does every single tvz and every person on earth knows it: The cc first no scouting build. That build leaves you a bit vulnerable before you have wall off + hellions out which Suppy took advantage of in G2. Suppy probably just tested a build that was supposed to punish that exact timing. Demuslim had just been too lazy too test his own builds for various weakness's, and instead just uses a build that does well the majority of the time on the ladder. In G1 he obv. had not taking into account that hte surface area for cc first was kinda bad on that map.
Both of the losses simply comes down to Suppy outsmarting Demusilm. Demuslim is a fantastic mechanical player, however he is either too lazy or too dumb to figure out how to play a serious of games and how to optimize build orders.
Its a bit of a shame that this kind of talent is just wasted, and I think Demuslim would benefit extremely much if EG had en experienced coach helping him to think about strategies.
Finally someone with spot on analysis of the games Congratulations you are the first intelligent poster I've seen in this thread in a while~!
On September 18 2013 20:22 Rhaegal wrote: The one thing I'll agree with idra on is that Demuslim is the greediest player and a huge risk taker and not nearly as good as people.
I've been watching him mindlessly expand at the 3rd base at the 5 min mark in TvZ since the metalopolis days. Also see him go cc first, rax, cc in TvP.... His mechanics aren't the greatest and a lot of his wins come from eco cheese wins. Glad Suppy saw through it and punished him, perhaps it will incite Demuslim to play safer.
I wouldn't neccesarily call it greedy. For instance he gets a very early wall off at his natural usually so he is kinda safe against big speedling runs. He delays his 3rd a bit at the expense of this.
But the no-scouting comes at the expense of being exposed to builds you rarely see on the ladder. So smart players can just study his play and then develop "unusual" timings (such as 1base bling bust) to punish that style. A real professional terran player would have a couple of zerg practice players that he spent time optimizing builds together with. There is nothing wrong with using a build that has weakness's, however the problem here is that whenever he plays a tvz he has the same weakness every single game.
If, just he had spent time practicing openings with a practice partner (instead of massing ladder just) he would have realized this weakness and would mix in other types of builds that easily could deflect a one base bling bust for instance.
On September 18 2013 20:22 Rhaegal wrote: The one thing I'll agree with idra on is that Demuslim is the greediest player and a huge risk taker and not nearly as good as people.
I've been watching him mindlessly expand at the 3rd base at the 5 min mark in TvZ since the metalopolis days. Also see him go cc first, rax, cc in TvP.... His mechanics aren't the greatest and a lot of his wins come from eco cheese wins. Glad Suppy saw through it and punished him, perhaps it will incite Demuslim to play safer.
I wouldn't neccesarily call it greedy. For instance he gets a very early wall off at his natural usually so he is kinda safe against big speedling runs. He delays his 3rd a bit at the expense of this.
But the no-scouting comes at the expense of being exposed to builds you rarely see on the ladder. So smart players can just study his play and then develop "unusual" timings (such as 1base bling bust) to punish that style. A real professional terran player would have a couple of zerg practice players that he spent time optimizing builds together with. There is nothing wrong with using a build that has weakness's, however the problem here is that whenever he plays a tvz he has the same weakness every single game.
If, just he had spent time practicing openings with a practice partner (instead of massing ladder just) he would have realized this weakness and would mix in other types of builds that easily could deflect a one base bling bust for instance.
You don't even have to mix in other builds, you can just scv scout on 15 an make a walloff at the top of your ramp with the Rax and your Factory after floating the CC and your actually fine.
On September 18 2013 20:22 Rhaegal wrote: The one thing I'll agree with idra on is that Demuslim is the greediest player and a huge risk taker and not nearly as good as people.
I've been watching him mindlessly expand at the 3rd base at the 5 min mark in TvZ since the metalopolis days. Also see him go cc first, rax, cc in TvP.... His mechanics aren't the greatest and a lot of his wins come from eco cheese wins. Glad Suppy saw through it and punished him, perhaps it will incite Demuslim to play safer.
I wouldn't neccesarily call it greedy. For instance he gets a very early wall off at his natural usually so he is kinda safe against big speedling runs. He delays his 3rd a bit at the expense of this.
But the no-scouting comes at the expense of being exposed to builds you rarely see on the ladder. So smart players can just study his play and then develop "unusual" timings (such as 1base bling bust) to punish that style. A real professional terran player would have a couple of zerg practice players that he spent time optimizing builds together with. There is nothing wrong with using a build that has weakness's, however the problem here is that whenever he plays a tvz he has the same weakness every single game.
If, just he had spent time practicing openings with a practice partner (instead of massing ladder just) he would have realized this weakness and would mix in other types of builds that easily could deflect a one base bling bust for instance.
You don't even have to mix in other builds, you can just scv scout on 15 an make a walloff at the top of your ramp with the Rax and your Factory after floating the CC and your actually fine.
Yeh I agree - That's still a variation though. Let's say he does that thing 60% of the time and 40% of the time he does a "greedy" no scout build, and Suppy knows this. Then it isn't optimal for Suppy to ever do that allin, and Demuslim still gets the benfit of playing "greedy" 40% of the time.
On September 18 2013 19:18 Morphage wrote: Eventhough Demuslim is quite talented, I think he'll never have what it takes to go far in a tournament. At this point he's just a good streamer and that's it.
in other words, he's a foreigner. yeah, i agree.
in other words, hes a foreign terran. not like foreign zergs/protoss never go far in stacked korean tournaments
On September 19 2013 00:20 frontline- wrote: Demu has been incredibly overrated since forever.
Yeah.
Placing once 4th in one of the weakest skillswise tournaments of ESL doesn't mean jack shit, sorry.
If you rate him on mechanics he IMO isn't overrated. Look how well he actually does the times he gets into the midgame in even shape. If you watch him since HOTS released he rarely actually loses those games, even against koreans.
Problem is that he is so awfull at early game. All 4 loses today is related to early game and that is quite typical of him.
On September 19 2013 00:20 frontline- wrote: Demu has been incredibly overrated since forever.
Yeah.
Placing once 4th in one of the weakest skillswise tournaments of ESL doesn't mean jack shit, sorry.
If you rate him on mechanics he IMO isn't overrated. Look how well he actually does the times he gets into the midgame in even shape. If you watch him since HOTS released he rarely actually loses those games, even against koreans.
Problem is that he is so awfull at early game. All 4 loses today is related to early game and that is quite typical of him.
AKA one-dimensional player, easy to deal with if his opponent has a brain.
EPT
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WCS America![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png)
Oz vs 
Suppy
DeMusliM vs ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
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Again, we need more volunteers. Anyone who watches games regularly and types really, really fast has qualifications to become an LRer.
