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Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
August 24 2013 09:57 GMT
#561
On August 24 2013 18:54 Muffloe wrote:
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On August 24 2013 18:52 Schelim wrote:
Naniwa vs Finale? alright time to do the dishes. couldn't care less about this matchup tbh. i hope Finale wins though.


I guess you don't like good foreigners?


I don't like immature BM Foreigners =P, so I hope Finale wins this, specially after the Naniwhine tweet yesterday.

BTW, I dream with a First vs Bomber finals too, but not sure if it won't be one sided as hell unless Bomber's Law effect applies.

Also I am cheering for Taeja and JaeDong! Those two can make a good finals too I think
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 09:57 GMT
#562
On August 24 2013 18:56 pms wrote:
Nani, the first international player to enter top8 of WCS season finals... You heard it first here!

Maybe Maru did not yet get used to Europe and will roll over to Scarlett. But yeah, Naniwa better choose scissors now.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
August 24 2013 09:57 GMT
#563
On August 24 2013 18:51 Snusmumriken wrote:
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On August 24 2013 18:48 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:44 Entropy137 wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:41 Supter wrote:
I really felt like I wasted my time watching these games.

Polt was way better mechanically, but did stupid mistakes that allowed First to get these economic cheeses. First was really clever in his play, but mechanically ? Polt was a thousand times ahead. That's pretty sad ... and disappointing. Like, I just don't even want to keep watching for now. I need a break :/

thousand times better mechanically? what?


Shit fanboys say, man.

I wanted Polt to win - Prime alumni and USA - but damn if First didn't think his way out of that series. Call him the BrainToss because that was some high minded play, right there. Mechanics are great, but it is always awesome to see people really strategerize on the fly, like that. I love it.


Indeed. Polt has very good strategic thinking when it comes to armymovement, which I guess is why he favours a big army over upgrades, but his overall strategies were an F those games. First was given a pretty easy victory.

Also PvT is fucking hard for terran


What I absolutely don't understand is, if losing the early reaper was that terrible and crippling, to the point that you might want to burn a scan to figure out what's going on...

Why isn't building a second reaper an option? It costs you 50 gas and 2 marine's worth of build time... if being blind is as terrible as the casters are saying, that should be an acceptable option, no?

Then again, it seemed Polt's idea was to just hit a Stim timing anyways which you can do just fine blind sorta, but FIrst scared him into defending instead...

Speaking of which, there's something about Terrans and scans. They don't seem to realize things that happen *after* a scan is dropped should be suspected (like all those games Symbol would drop a tech building after a scan, then cancel or just not use it... I mean how transparent is that? and it still worked!). I get that you have more evidence that something is happening and no confirmation that it's a fake, just the suspicious timing, so it is a hard spot. But they seem to always fall for it, rather than try to get double confirmation (granted, it's not easy after already using a scan).
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 24 2013 09:57 GMT
#564
Not long till Nani gets to feel the wrath of the duck.
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4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
August 24 2013 09:57 GMT
#565
Getting prepared for massive disappointment here, that way it can only go better ^
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 09:58:46
August 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#566
On August 24 2013 18:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On August 24 2013 18:54 aZealot wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:48 PanzerElite wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:46 PanzerElite wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:43 PanzerElite wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

Yeah no, not exactly


Well, if you don't want to pull with a FE build then you're asking to lose.


You're asking to lose with that attitude. You could also watch players like Polt, Taeja, Innovation, Maru, etc. who do just fine lategame.


Lol, don't you think I haven't tried? I've come to the conclusion it's useless to go to the lategame. Scv pull every toss yolo swag, they deserve it.


Well if you've come to that conclusion it must be true


If Bomber kills First EZ all the time, it must be true. So yh it's true.


w/e

I really hope finale hurries up, I'm really really really hungry

you have time if you go now


I reckon you had time to make it and get it ready by now. But you spent too much time telling us about it.

Why? Why? Why?

Now, it's really a choice between Nani vs DD and starvation.


I thought finale vs Nani would follow right after this so I took the time to complain about my terrible life


But really, how hard can it be to make quick noodles. Don't you have any 2 minute noodles? Hot water and a microwave is all you need.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Arawyn
Profile Joined May 2010
United States191 Posts
August 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#567
'g' incoming.
Supter
Profile Joined February 2011
France382 Posts
August 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#568
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#569
First is a monster. go duckdeok kill Nani next :>
AKMU / IU
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#570
On August 24 2013 18:58 Arawyn wrote:
'g' incoming.


"I'm so back at rock paper scissors"
The curse is real
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
August 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#571
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.


There are more ways to scout than that.
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
August 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#572
This tournament is looking more and more like a Jaedong vs Rain final that jaedong will manage to throw away in some way our minds can't even beging to comprehend.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#573
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.

he has scans and scvs send some or scan some.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
August 24 2013 10:00 GMT
#574
happy for the results DD has shown.
i recently learnt he was MVPfinale. haha. i thought he was just some random korean
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
August 24 2013 10:00 GMT
#575
On August 24 2013 18:57 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Getting prepared for massive disappointment here, that way it can only go better ^


I should do that too... But hey, I have a good feeling!
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
August 24 2013 10:00 GMT
#576
havent seen much of duckdeok/finale's play, i'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 24 2013 10:00 GMT
#577
On August 24 2013 18:56 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 18:56 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:54 Muffloe wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:52 Schelim wrote:
Naniwa vs Finale? alright time to do the dishes. couldn't care less about this matchup tbh. i hope Finale wins though.


I guess you don't like good foreigners?

i guess he doesn't like stupid whine


So he doesn't like your post? : )

Well done sir
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
August 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#578
On August 24 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.


There are more ways to scout than that.


Lke what, assuming you play standard/safe against all ins?

I thought he makes an excellent point.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#579
On August 24 2013 19:00 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 18:57 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Getting prepared for massive disappointment here, that way it can only go better ^


I should do that too... But hey, I have a good feeling!


yep i've a good feeling. especially if Nani keeps refusing to scout :p
Zest fanboy.
Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
August 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#580
Did RedEye just said Naniwa won 2 times against Duckdoek ? He mixed it up
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
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