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Supter
Profile Joined February 2011
France382 Posts
August 24 2013 10:04 GMT
#601
On August 24 2013 19:02 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 19:01 dreamseller wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.


There are more ways to scout than that.


Lke what, assuming you play standard/safe against all ins?

I thought he makes an excellent point.


What undead1993 said. Plus all the reconaissance en force you can do with early drops.


Early drops are already too late. Sure, it allows you to know what your opponent is doing. But it's already too late to act about it.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
August 24 2013 10:04 GMT
#602
On August 24 2013 19:03 Supter wrote:
Yeah, there is more ways to scout than that. Helions, Banshees, and blind scans.
Problem with Hellions is that, if your opponent went for any kind of agression, you lost the game.
Banshee can be a good idea, especially with cloak, because you can even the game if your opponent didn't went for an all-in.
Blind scans are just bad 7 minutes into the game. Stop talking about them.


Banshee builds do terribly against any sort of robo opener too, which is the most common build at the moment it seems
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75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 24 2013 10:05 GMT
#603
and next year we will see a gigantic frog sitting in the crowd
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 10:06:22
August 24 2013 10:05 GMT
#604
I find it hilarious that people are suggesting Polt should "just scout with scan," when he was precisely tricked into overdefending because First faked to move out with his Sentries when Polt scanned his natural.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 24 2013 10:05 GMT
#605
On August 24 2013 19:03 Supter wrote:
Yeah, there is more ways to scout than that. Helions, Banshees, and blind scans.
Problem with Hellions is that, if your opponent went for any kind of agression, you lost the game.
Banshee can be a good idea, especially with cloak, because you can even the game if your opponent didn't went for an all-in.
Blind scans are just bad 7 minutes into the game. Stop talking about them.

wtf is your point, if you want to know whats up, scan if you don't want to scan lose. wtf should the terran be able to see the whole map without even doing something for it, getting ridiculous with these terran guys
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
August 24 2013 10:05 GMT
#606
On August 24 2013 19:02 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 18:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.

he has scans and scvs send some or scan some.


Nope. Scans miss, scvs die to stalkers patrolling outside the base.

anyone can confirm what build polt went for? beyond reaper > reactor > CC, i can't recall what factory or engi-bay timing polt went for. all i know is that polt opted to hole up in his natural against 2 stalkers even though he had a ton of marauders, which makes me think he was trying to hide an aggressive stim timing instead of trying to get a read on first, which is just a mistake in build order.
Glubschauge
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1216 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 10:05:57
August 24 2013 10:05 GMT
#607
artosis curse is hurting esport^^
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
August 24 2013 10:05 GMT
#608
When in doubt, just blame Artosis
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#609
On August 24 2013 19:05 megapants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 19:02 dreamseller wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.

he has scans and scvs send some or scan some.


Nope. Scans miss, scvs die to stalkers patrolling outside the base.

anyone can confirm what build polt went for? beyond reaper > reactor > CC, i can't recall what factory or engi-bay timing polt went for. all i know is that polt opted to hole up in his natural against 2 stalkers even though he had a ton of marauders, which makes me think he was trying to hide an aggressive stim timing instead of trying to get a read on first, which is just a mistake in build order.

Standard 3 rax Medivacs.
TOMisAfish
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia123 Posts
August 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#610
Im so hyped for this. Hoping for some good play (and maybe some scouting?) from Naniwa. And also some ballsy play from the Duck-man. Whoever wins, I want some good games!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#611
There is way too much protoss in this tournament for my liking
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
August 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#612
On August 24 2013 19:04 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 19:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:58 aZealot wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:54 aZealot wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:48 PanzerElite wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 18:46 PanzerElite wrote:
[quote]

Lol, don't you think I haven't tried? I've come to the conclusion it's useless to go to the lategame. Scv pull every toss yolo swag, they deserve it.


Well if you've come to that conclusion it must be true


If Bomber kills First EZ all the time, it must be true. So yh it's true.


w/e

I really hope finale hurries up, I'm really really really hungry

you have time if you go now


I reckon you had time to make it and get it ready by now. But you spent too much time telling us about it.

Why? Why? Why?

Now, it's really a choice between Nani vs DD and starvation.


I thought finale vs Nani would follow right after this so I took the time to complain about my terrible life


But really, how hard can it be to make quick noodles. Don't you have any 2 minute noodles? Hot water and a microwave is all you need.


Well, I need to slice a few things too. Paprika, sausages, cheese, tomatoes and some other stuff. Might post pics later. It's pretty good but takes attention

Slice slice slice

Anyway, gonna do it now and hope finale wins. Need food to be ready when Ro8 starts


Ah, fair enough. Sounds a proper good meal.


It's a proper meal for like 7 people, I'm alone haha. I'll be fed for like 3 days with that
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
August 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#613
Cmon Naniwa! Foreigner champion!
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
August 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#614
On August 24 2013 18:58 Supter wrote:
Problem is, in TvP, if you lose your first reaper, it's pretty much over. You get a few all-in that you can still do, but apart from that, it's over. You cannot leave your base to scout anymore, and the protoss can pretty much do whatever he wants to do.

Just look at this game : Polt lose his reaper with a stupid mistakes, First decides to take a 3rd base. What could Polt do ? Can't leave his base, because if First went for a little agression, marines will get caught and the game is lost ; Can't scout with a SCV because there are stalkers on the map ; can't turtle because he lets his opponent get ahead.

Only solution is, blindly hard countering your opponent.
It sure was a mistake by Polt, and First was really clever, really knew how to use it, but I can't feel anything except disappointment, looking at this serie. TvT and TvZ are the only match-up where you can get back & forth games. In PvT, if either side does a small mistake early on, the game is over. Same for PvP and PvZ. ZvZ isn't that far either.

You can't get any more negative than that post lol
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 24 2013 10:07 GMT
#615
how is Arterdam? Pretty strange combo to me
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
August 24 2013 10:07 GMT
#616
On August 24 2013 19:05 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 19:03 Supter wrote:
Yeah, there is more ways to scout than that. Helions, Banshees, and blind scans.
Problem with Hellions is that, if your opponent went for any kind of agression, you lost the game.
Banshee can be a good idea, especially with cloak, because you can even the game if your opponent didn't went for an all-in.
Blind scans are just bad 7 minutes into the game. Stop talking about them.

wtf is your point, if you want to know whats up, scan if you don't want to scan lose. wtf should the terran be able to see the whole map without even doing something for it, getting ridiculous with these terran guys


His point was that the loss of the reaper early cost polt the game, this point was in an earlier post not quoted here. I tend to agree, but also this game polt lost even more time coz he saw sentries coming out and freaked out like a noob
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 24 2013 10:07 GMT
#617
Hmm Naniwa not using the Alliance jacket
The curse is real
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
August 24 2013 10:07 GMT
#618
cmoooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnn Naniwa please please win!
Sick of finale v naniwa haha
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
August 24 2013 10:07 GMT
#619
On August 24 2013 19:07 Arceus wrote:
how is Arterdam? Pretty strange combo to me


Both of them kick ass individually and kick ass together to
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 24 2013 10:08 GMT
#620
On August 24 2013 18:54 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 18:52 Schelim wrote:
Naniwa vs Finale? alright time to do the dishes. couldn't care less about this matchup tbh. i hope Finale wins though.


I guess you don't like good foreigners?

i tried to put it diplomatically, but since you asked: i don't like Naniwa. he's the only active pro player in the entirely sc2 scene i dislike so i will automatically cheer for his opponent no matter who it is.
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