EPT[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 178
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:08 KobraKay wrote: The reduced numbers could be explained by summer vacations....people are on vacation, nice weather allows for more outdoor activities etc. I reckon that EU could have even been worse due to summer and almost only PvP. I'm pretty sure It's mostly because of the massive number of Protoss | ||
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Crytash
Germany251 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:10 Dodgin wrote: Well, I see right now that Jaedong vs Scarlett ended at 48k viewers. So while the day 1 average might be lower I'm quite sure the day 2 average is higher. I agree. actually this peak will help the average number immensly. It could rise to 34-35k which would be a smaller decrease (while still a decrease) | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
but i have literately never head of this duckdeduck. congrats regardless all the best in future tournaments. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On August 12 2013 08:19 TyrantPotato wrote: not to sound rude. but i have literately never head of this duckdeduck. congrats regardless all the best in future tournaments. He changed his name. He used to be known as MVPfinale from GSL. At least for me his old name is familiar | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:13 Crytash wrote: I agree. actually this peak will help the average number immensly. It could rise to 34-35k which would be a smaller decrease (while still a decrease) its at 42K right now. the average i mean. http://fuzic.nl/events/338-wcs-am-finals-day-2-premier-season-2-2013/ | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
I mainly didn't watch EU cos I wanted to watch NA + not really the most exciting players for me. I think having everything on the same weekend hurts more than Ti3 (which also hurts and is a stupid idea) | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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Crytash
Germany251 Posts
On August 12 2013 08:49 sc2superfan101 wrote: its at 42K right now. the average i mean. http://fuzic.nl/events/338-wcs-am-finals-day-2-premier-season-2-2013/ yes i saw the numbers :D. Question is if it was becouse of the racist-drama or not :D. So let us look at it, Eu had massiv problems on both days, Na day 1 was also a problem, but game 2 had a great showing. | ||
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Hassan_RO
Romania77 Posts
was lacking from the WCS this weekend, after the very interesting OSL final that we had. I must admit, as a SC2 fan i was expecting alot more good entertainment this weekend than it turned out, and i wound up watching TI3 and cheering for Alliance/Navi vs the Eastern teams. Honestly with 6/8 protoss in the RO8 and 3/4 in the RO4, there really isn't that much excitement in almost nonstop PvP. Also, i hate to get into the race debate but fk-it, i'm biased like InControl is....and i think viewership dropped so sharply also because, like many people here said, many of us Europeans don't really appreciate 3/4 korean RO4 in WCS EUROPE. Put on top of that, the almost annonymous guy from Korea coming and winning over MC, multiple GSL champ who you could, in the end, convince yourself to root for cause..well...he's MC and he's awesome and he speaks some Engrish. Same for WCS America. Where are the AMERICANS?! 5/8 of RO8 are koreans, 1 is chinese, and they unceremoniously stomp everything in their path. OK, the semi-finals were kind of exciting with Scarlett and all (was rooting hard for her, but the ZvZ made me want to watch something else), but the final was another 4-0 stomp, with Polt just owning JD.... Unfortunately, it seems that since Idra and Stephano went off the radar completely,and NaNiWa in a sort of slump, there really isn't a proeminent foreigner anymore who can contest the koreans... I miss the old days when i could cheer for like...Thorzain....or....anyone..... On August 12 2013 05:44 Crytash wrote: for the viewer numbers discussion. First of all, PEAK is NOT interesting. Interesting is the average number of viewers. average number of viewer WCS EU s2 day 2 is 49,858 k source average number of viewer WCS EU s1 day 2 in may was about 82k source which means a decrease of around 39% yesterday we had an average number for WCS EU day 1 of 36,172 viewer source which is a 34% decrease from last one, which had 55k (same source for the one top). i will not start with na i guess it would be to depressing. edit: the average number of WSC NA S1 day 2 was 44k. "i guess" this time around we have atm 29,651k allthough it should go to 30-31k in the next hours. that would also be a 30% decrease. For WSC NA S2 day 1 the average number of viewers was 20,445, while For WSC NA S1 day 1 was around 35k, a even bigger decrease of 41%. | ||
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ztranger
Sweden57 Posts
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
I think Duck Dodgers is great name, easy to make banners for him, if he keep on winning. Give him a pig sidekick. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On August 12 2013 15:11 Packawana wrote: I really hope duckdeok changes his name. I feel like once you've won a tournament, something more professional is always more suiting. (i.e. when Bogus turned into InnoVation) Part of the reason why so many people don't know about duckdeok is because he already changed his name from the recognizable "finale" to the obscure "duckdeok"... the worst part is that practically the entire team MVP went through name changes at the same time so it's hard to tell. Who is Super? Who is finale? Oh right, they were Vampire and finale. On the other hand, I think duckdeok changing his name would be a disaster! The truth is that "finale" was not very well known... he had a few decent Code A runs, and he performed decently in GSTL. However, the player "duckdeok" has just won WCS EU S2, and I bet he gained some fans today. At this point, he is probably more well-known as "duckdeok" than "finale" anyway... | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On August 12 2013 14:51 Hassan_RO wrote: Extremely good Analysis of viewer numbers by Crytash. I think some of the show quality was lacking from the WCS this weekend, after the very interesting OSL final that we had. I must admit, as a SC2 fan i was expecting alot more good entertainment this weekend than it turned out, and i wound up watching TI3 and cheering for Alliance/Navi vs the Eastern teams. Honestly with 6/8 protoss in the RO8 and 3/4 in the RO4, there really isn't that much excitement in almost nonstop PvP. Also, i hate to get into the race debate but fk-it, i'm biased like InControl is....and i think viewership dropped so sharply also because, like many people here said, many of us Europeans don't really appreciate 3/4 korean RO4 in WCS EUROPE. Put on top of that, the almost annonymous guy from Korea coming and winning over MC, multiple GSL champ who you could, in the end, convince yourself to root for cause..well...he's MC and he's awesome and he speaks some Engrish. Same for WCS America. Where are the AMERICANS?! 5/8 of RO8 are koreans, 1 is chinese, and they unceremoniously stomp everything in their path. OK, the semi-finals were kind of exciting with Scarlett and all (was rooting hard for her, but the ZvZ made me want to watch something else), but the final was another 4-0 stomp, with Polt just owning JD.... Unfortunately, it seems that since Idra and Stephano went off the radar completely,and NaNiWa in a sort of slump, there really isn't a proeminent foreigner anymore who can contest the koreans... I miss the old days when i could cheer for like...Thorzain....or....anyone..... There's also the fact that the EU finals were being broadcast during the middle of the day in a weekend. Most people will not spend the afternoon glued to their screens to watch starcraft. | ||
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Misuke
Germany2 Posts
is there too much challenge or aren´t they good enough ? why is MMA not forced to play in WCS Korea or duckdeok ? | ||
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Foudzing
France181 Posts
Besides this: JAEKONG! | ||
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Misuke
Germany2 Posts
nothing against koreans in tournements like Dreamhack or sth like this but in WCS ??? ...then stop calling it WCS Europe WCS America or like that in football at the European Cup is no Brasilian Team for me the WCS Europe is a Tournement to find the best Player in Europe not which Korean is traveling to Cologne or sth like that they will met in the Grand Finals of the WCS when all regionstournements are done | ||
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Crytash
Germany251 Posts
Now why did it reach that level? Partially becuse of the games, but i actually think, that "Terrygate" attracted many viewers, who wanted to see, what is all about. So why was my prediction for WCS NA S2 day 2 so wrong in the first place? Well i just looked at the 34+% decrease in WCS EU S1 day 1/2 and WCS NA S2 day 1 and figured out, that it will continue - espectially if you think about the fact, that day 1 NA was the biggest decrease. However, something changed so it had a equal showing to what it had in S1. No will talk about some conclusions and let us speculate about the reasons about the numbers. Before we start to bitch about numbers, we should remember the circumstances WCS which had a influence on it: TI3, korean dominance, pvp and drama. I will not discuss the impact of them, it is impossible for me to make any assumtion without the raw data anyone would need to make a assumption about it. What i can say is, that if I would be TB, selling this rather drastic decrease to a sponsor is hard, but so is life and i bet he/me could find some obscure reasons, why their event would have great numbers and that this decrease was a one-time-only problem, if we would not all know, that this whole WCS had certain problems - systematic problems - that it will not overcome in the near future. Now you might argue, that WCS NA S2 day 2 had good numbers, but this might have been a pyrrhus victory, becouse in the end i only tuned in for the drama and that is NOT what you need. Keep also in mind, what kind of drama it was, something a sponsor will not want to be associated with. I can only make a educated guess and in the light of recent news (mlg col. no sc2, this numbers, Stephano retirement) the situation looks dire. I am sure, that from a analytical pov Blizzard should know by now, that this regional finals format/timing or better phrased the circumstances around it, was lackluster at best, if not potentially alarming. Now pls refrain from "sc2 is dying" posts. This is not the case, as there were special surroundings to this WCS, but it shows a distinctive weakness, that other esport titles would like to abuse. These weaknesses are partially systematic, partially just a side effect of Blizzards style of doing things. It is impossible for me make any assumption without certain data, but in the end Blizzard has to look at this numbers and at least acknowledge them. What do i mean by that? Well what i will now write is pure speculation, becouse i would need more raw data to prove what i will say. I can only look at other scenes and their approach to the problem and make a functional definition for some of the goals Sc2 and its scene wants to reach. It is crystal clear, that some of the weakness in viewership numbers is due to the disparity in skill between the scenes. This is a fact and we all know it, BUT i read often, that a region lock would not help. Something i utterly disagree! Let us look at Dota 2, where basically a soft lock exists. Between Ti2 and TiI3 (their huge once in a year event) were only three tournaments, where east fought with some (three) western teams. G1 league, G-league and the Alienware/mastercard cup (all three are different brands, don't get confused by their names). The reasons are: Ping (online tournament), restrictions and ofc. Now Chinese in DotA/Dota2 were not as dominant as Koreans are in SC2, that is a given, but at Ti2 there were only one western team in the top 8 (in the money). This Ti had four western teams in the top 8 and none chinese in the top 3. Now how did the west get better? By many many tournaments, by hard work and dedication and now five swedes are $1,4 million richer. What can SC2 learn from that? Maybe people should reevaluate the time before WCS, when a certain word "trended". The word was oversaturation. I think this oversaturation (that Dota2 has btw) leads to a way more competitive enviroment. Yes it has its own problems, but at least every western SC2 player who was good enough had some exposure and could justify his training. And even if you want the WCS to exist, there are many adjusting screws you can turn - just do something Blizzard, becouse your competition (even if you don't want to acknowledge you have one) is rising and will surpass your esports title. LoL already did and Dota 2 kinda did as well (i will not discuss this fact, Dota2 only lost in one month on twitch, measerung unit is the total minutes watched; Ti3 had over 1 million viewers; Dota2 holds atm the viewer record for viewernumbers in a pure online competition with 250k) and yes SC2 exists NOT in a vacuum. Esport fans will watch what they feel is worth it and at this moment in time, SC2 does not look well. | ||
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