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Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages.
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Wow, didnt expect this outcome. :O
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Northern Ireland27046 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages.
Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2
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Austria24422 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2
It's obviously hyvaa
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most unexpected outcome in a best of series I've ever seen, wtf.
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On July 30 2013 21:23 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. bomber-bogus and bomber-flash were post-patch too i think
The patch hit on the 11th of July, I'm pretty sure the patch hit Korea later than other regions. I don't know the exact date, though. Even then, we're not talking of a few games here, meta takes longer to develop.
On July 30 2013 21:24 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. I don't accept that there wasn't enough time for the players to prep for tvt... they both played in their style, innovation didn't scout much, the outcome is not surprising at all. innovation made clear decisions in every game that led to losses, but it wasn't because he suddenly doesn't know how to play since the hellbat was nerfed. he didn't have the info and didn't get lucky.
It's not that Inno didn't prep (he might have not due to SPL, but who knows), I'm saying that no-one knows the new meta, or all the available builds. This takes time, months sometimes.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:03 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:23 opterown wrote:On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. bomber-bogus and bomber-flash were post-patch too i think The patch hit on the 11th of July, I'm pretty sure the patch hit Korea later than other regions. I don't know the exact date, though. Even then, we're not talking of a few games here, meta takes longer to develop. Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:24 Vari wrote:On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. I don't accept that there wasn't enough time for the players to prep for tvt... they both played in their style, innovation didn't scout much, the outcome is not surprising at all. innovation made clear decisions in every game that led to losses, but it wasn't because he suddenly doesn't know how to play since the hellbat was nerfed. he didn't have the info and didn't get lucky. It's not that Inno didn't prep (he might have not due to SPL, but who knows), I'm saying that no-one knows the new meta, or all the available builds. This takes time, months sometimes.
Bomber vs Flash was prepatch
Bomber vs Innovation was post patch
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On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2
innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament.
remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable?
right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32.
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On July 30 2013 21:53 robson1 wrote:
Worst series I've seen since the open seasons. Well... can't blame maru, but that was some boring shit.
I disagree heavily.
Maru with some nice unconvential strategies.
I like those games a lot over standard macro games where you just wait until one player gets caught out of position (especially true for TvT).
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Austria24422 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32.
Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won?
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i think it's kinda hard to declare maru the better player when he bested innovation in one series...
I'd like to see maru's tvz and tvp, i bet they're not nearly as crisp as innovation's
also has maru ever won a 1v1 tournament? I know prime has won some team leagues but...
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On July 30 2013 22:07 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:53 robson1 wrote:
Worst series I've seen since the open seasons. Well... can't blame maru, but that was some boring shit. I disagree heavily. Maru with some nice unconvential strategies. I like those games a lot over standard macro games where you just wait until one player gets caught out of position (especially true for TvT).
I'm just now watching the vods, but game 1 was quite interesting.
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On July 30 2013 22:10 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:07 00Visor wrote:On July 30 2013 21:53 robson1 wrote:
Worst series I've seen since the open seasons. Well... can't blame maru, but that was some boring shit. I disagree heavily. Maru with some nice unconvential strategies. I like those games a lot over standard macro games where you just wait until one player gets caught out of position (especially true for TvT). I'm just now watching the vods, but game 1 was quite interesting.
where
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Poland3764 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2
I guess no matter who will be #1, the author of the PR will be flamed hard.
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On July 30 2013 22:05 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:03 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 21:23 opterown wrote:On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. bomber-bogus and bomber-flash were post-patch too i think The patch hit on the 11th of July, I'm pretty sure the patch hit Korea later than other regions. I don't know the exact date, though. Even then, we're not talking of a few games here, meta takes longer to develop. On July 30 2013 21:24 Vari wrote:On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. I don't accept that there wasn't enough time for the players to prep for tvt... they both played in their style, innovation didn't scout much, the outcome is not surprising at all. innovation made clear decisions in every game that led to losses, but it wasn't because he suddenly doesn't know how to play since the hellbat was nerfed. he didn't have the info and didn't get lucky. It's not that Inno didn't prep (he might have not due to SPL, but who knows), I'm saying that no-one knows the new meta, or all the available builds. This takes time, months sometimes. Bomber vs Flash was prepatch Bomber vs Innovation was post patch
Thanks for clearing that up!
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anybody else think it's kind of bizarre that we haven't seen reigns like bw? where a player was absolutely dominant for 1-2 years (oov, nada, flash, savior) sure MVP and life were king of the hill for a while, but it wasn't any more than 6-8 months at the most...
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On July 30 2013 22:03 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:23 opterown wrote:On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. bomber-bogus and bomber-flash were post-patch too i think The patch hit on the 11th of July, I'm pretty sure the patch hit Korea later than other regions. I don't know the exact date, though. Even then, we're not talking of a few games here, meta takes longer to develop. Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:24 Vari wrote:On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series. I don't accept that there wasn't enough time for the players to prep for tvt... they both played in their style, innovation didn't scout much, the outcome is not surprising at all. innovation made clear decisions in every game that led to losses, but it wasn't because he suddenly doesn't know how to play since the hellbat was nerfed. he didn't have the info and didn't get lucky. It's not that Inno didn't prep (he might have not due to SPL, but who knows), I'm saying that no-one knows the new meta, or all the available builds. This takes time, months sometimes.
To be fair, there's always a tournament going on. You could argue that they should patch between seasons, but the same argument rings true: the meta wouldn't really be developed already for the first tournament back since a patch.
In fact, the meta isn't even patch specific. I could argue that the "new meta" is always happening, patch or no. If someone changes the meta tomorrow, then they're going to look like a great player. Almost every champ basically takes the metagame and does something to it to pull ahead.
Also if Innovation didn't prepare for a Ro4 of OSL for the WCS because of SPL Bo1 then he needs to get his shit sorted. I hope that was sarcastic =P
On July 30 2013 22:10 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 I guess no matter who will be #1, the author of the PR will be flamed hard.
Yep. There's no such thing as a power rank that everyone agrees on.
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Northern Ireland27046 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32.
Innovation doesn't just beat people, he crushes them. His play at its best has an aura about it. Others have had that too, Mvp, Life and others.
I mean, good forbid we actually have players like that. Maru played better here, hardly disputing that
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