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On July 30 2013 19:37 MrCon wrote:
This was a disappointment sure, when you're going to see a bo7 TvT you're not expecting it to end in 1 hour, but no way this was boring =)
Kespa players weren't here when all those kind of builds were standard in TvT, basically at the same period of the Slayers's blue flame MLG party. A lot of elevator play etc, but at the end these just became openings and they lead to standard game. Game 7 sealed the deal 4 hellions 6 marines 1 medivac vs 4 hellions 6 marines 1 medivac (and quickly 6 hellions for Innovation), outmicro happen and suddenly there's nothing left for Innovation while Maru still has nearly everything =D At least if we have Maru vs Bomer we can be sure Bomer won't just die like this.
Can we? Didn't Symbol repeatedly crush him with roach bane all-ins last season? Or someone at least. Maybe he's different in TvZ but I feel like if anyone was susceptible to cheese, it would probably be bomber
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what in the actual fuck of fucks just happened :S
so much cheese... maru should move to switzerland and stop sc2..
oh well, this just makes things easy for rain, back to back osl champion.
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yah it must be hard prepping when u have to use more than 1 single unit to win o_O
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:00 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 19:33 Fionn wrote:
Innovation needs to hire Mvp to prepare his Bo7 builds or something. He's pretty fucking awful in Bo7 considering how amazing he is mechanically. In the four Bo7 series he's been in the past two seasons, he's given up countless games to Soulkey, Maru and Symbol by merely letting them cheese him without scouting or playing safe. He luckily caught onto Symbol after being cheesed two times to take the series, and then he simply crushed sOs, a guy who pretty much choked on his own from his nerves. To be fair, it's gotta be hard as shit preparing for SPL finals and OSL semifinals at the same time.
Innovation: "Soulkey again ezpz time to eat cake"
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omg i missed this! then i checked the result. wtf lol.
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anyone know if there will be a rebroadcast today i slept in and missed it 
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On July 30 2013 20:49 pic wrote:
it actually does matter than hellbats got nerfed.. people say it doesnt. even if games end at 5 mins ect. it does have something to do with that nerf. inno doesnt even plan to do those things as such anymore changing his whole game play. when he defends attacks ect.. we all see it. no hellbat op. no inno destroying everyone easy. stop praising him plz as best player simply because B4 a patch he did well. o_O he wasnt out microing people check yer replays. he wasnt out anything people. just 1 unit choice.
even look at game one he didnt make any hellbats to defend. go watch previous games of him. he defends 90% of allins using hellbats o_O this game NOT
so when he was using the same units as everyone else, what exactly was it consistently giving him the edge?
why is his tvz still the absolute best?
he deserves a lot of praise. you cannot literally win them all, and after the first 2 games and then especially the 3rd, he was clearly tilted.
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On July 30 2013 21:03 esdf wrote:
what in the actual fuck of fucks just happened :S
so much cheese... maru should move to switzerland and stop sc2..
oh well, this just makes things easy for rain, back to back osl champion.
If some posts in this thread are to believed:
People who expect Rain to win: "congrats rain, ez win"
People who expect Bomber to win: "could be a good TvT final"
Maybe I'm missing the posts with the nice Rain fans and the dicky Bomber fans =P
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On July 30 2013 21:03 pic wrote:
yah it must be hard prepping when u have to use more than 1 single unit to win o_O
probably why he got destroyed by a bad zerg after the patch
oh wait no, he swept an amazing zerg after the patch
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Well this definitely put that TL preview to shame...but I don't think anyone expected this.
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I would say, Bomber is the clear favorite against Rain. Bomber's TvP is just something else and Rain already had trouble beating Supernova. I understand, that the Kespa bandwagon now jumps onto Rain as their last hope, but you guys shouldn't bank too much onto him.
I was hoping for a Maru vs Bomber finals at the start of the season, because I like them both very much and they have both looked very strong in the last months. That we're that close to it now is really crazy 
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Russian Federation325 Posts
I'm so glad to see sharp rushes with perfect execution against early expands, because people should not be able to get away with all these fast ccs without scouting.
Hate that a lot of games start with "no rush 20 min" rule with 4 fast bases.
p.s. And finally poor Prime team got somebody in the finals.
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On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0
Tastradamus!
I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.).
As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history:
1) They didn't test it properly
2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP)
3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series.
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Austria24420 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:16 TeeTS wrote:I would say, Bomber is the clear favorite against Rain. Bomber's TvP is just something else and Rain already had trouble beating Supernova. I understand, that the Kespa bandwagon now jumps onto Rain as their last hope, but you guys shouldn't bank too much onto him. I was hoping for a Maru vs Bomber finals at the start of the season, because I like them both very much and they have both looked very strong in the last months. That we're that close to it now is really crazy
You forgot that Rain is a god. If he performs he shouldn't have trouble. Then again nobody knows what Bomber is capable of if he performs.
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On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series.
bomber-bogus and bomber-flash were post-patch too i think
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Ahmahgaaawd I missed this series but sitting here at work going full WHAT THA F
Can anyone give me a summary of the games? No live report :[
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On July 30 2013 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 18:35 bo1b wrote:
Looks like tasteless was right about that maru 4:0 Tastradamus! I do have to throw a rock in Blizzard's garden, though. This series showcases why you don't patch often and in the middle of the season. The meta doesn't get time to develop (this was really the first major post-patch TvT series) which leads to a ton of coin-flips (game 2, raven for anti-banshee into dying to a elevator strat) and unseen all-ins (game 1 - oh, is that how many marines you can afford now together with cloak-banshee? Nice to know, Maru.). As much as people hate the hellbat, this patch should be remembered as one of the worst in history: 1) They didn't test it properly 2) It has a big impact on another MU (TvP) 3) It was done in the middle of the season, leading to terrible series.
I don't accept that there wasn't enough time for the players to prep for tvt... they both played in their style, innovation didn't scout much, the outcome is not surprising at all.
innovation made clear decisions in every game that led to losses, but it wasn't because he suddenly doesn't know how to play since the hellbat was nerfed. he didn't have the info and didn't get lucky.
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I guess Flash is right, aggression is the name of the game now in TvT.
I have a feeling Bogus might still try to figure out a way to play greed but he'll need to start mixing in some early timings.
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