These weren't even cheeses though, they were well thought out openings that were not all in at all.

The first game he simply outmaneuvers innovation and timing attacks him. not a cheese.

the second game he does dropship play and outmicros innovation badly, who loses his widow mine for zero reason. not a cheese.

the third game he KNOWS innovation can't resist the easy backdoor expo and goes for the perfect build to counter it. arguably a cheese, but really just a smart build for the map.

4th game lol if anyone considers this cheese

ThePrince

Peru331 Posts

July 31 2013 18:46 GMT

#2082

VayneAuthority, YOU are cheese.

WombaT

Northern Ireland23719 Posts

July 31 2013 18:50 GMT

#2083

On August 01 2013 01:05 affliction wrote:

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Yea. So if he wins like a beast and loses like a noob i guess you can locate him somewhere in the middle. He had a very short span of dominance now. Let's see what happens.

Concerning your question about who is number one: I guess every race has its very strong players. Terran has Inno/Flash/MVP (yes, NEVER ever count MVP out), Zerg has Soulkey and Life, Protoss has Rain (most solid player that the Protoss race has ever had i think) and maybe Sora soon (i like sOs but hes a little too gimicky for my taste)?

Innovation has been a monster for quite an extended period of time by SC2 standards. Hell at the end of Wings he was one of the few Terrans winning TvZs. He also plays relatively few tournament, SPL and the Korean individual leagues, and has pretty much placed top 4 in all of them for a big span.

It's a few poor series not necessarily meaning he's not the premiere player in the world at the minute.

It's not really fanboyism on my part, just there is no other player that has a better claim to the number 1 spot. I'd like to see an argument be made for others, but people haven't really been able to make it.

ThePrince

Peru331 Posts

July 31 2013 19:00 GMT

#2084

I think Rain has been consistently good. He was unlucky falling right out of GSL back then, but I don't think there has been a period where he has played "bad".

Now he's back in semi's.

And innovation..yes he has been pretty dominant for a while. You can't expect him to win every tournament but losing only the last series 4-0 is not to say he is not a premier player, and candidate to best of the world still. I would wait a bit longer to judge!

Megiddosc

United States966 Posts

July 31 2013 22:06 GMT

#2085

Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.

WombaT

Northern Ireland23719 Posts

July 31 2013 22:12 GMT

#2086

Rain is one of my favourites, indeed I like him more than Inno. I think he needs to win the OSL and the WCS season finals to supplant Innovation

DidYuhim

Ukraine1905 Posts

July 31 2013 22:27 GMT

#2087

On August 01 2013 07:06 Megiddosc wrote:
Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.

He just needs to stop going 14CC on a map with the highest % of cheeses in the map pool.

Megiddosc

United States966 Posts

July 31 2013 22:43 GMT

#2088

On August 01 2013 07:27 DidYuhim wrote:

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He just needs to stop going 14CC on a map with the highest % of cheeses in the map pool.

You think that was his problem against Bomber?

painkilla

United States695 Posts

July 31 2013 22:48 GMT