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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 31 2013 17:14 GMT
#2081
These weren't even cheeses though, they were well thought out openings that were not all in at all.

The first game he simply outmaneuvers innovation and timing attacks him. not a cheese.

the second game he does dropship play and outmicros innovation badly, who loses his widow mine for zero reason. not a cheese.

the third game he KNOWS innovation can't resist the easy backdoor expo and goes for the perfect build to counter it. arguably a cheese, but really just a smart build for the map.

4th game lol if anyone considers this cheese
I come in for the scraps
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
July 31 2013 18:46 GMT
#2082
VayneAuthority, YOU are cheese.
SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 31 2013 18:50 GMT
#2083
On August 01 2013 01:05 affliction wrote:
Show nested quote +

Yeah, I'm interested in the people saying "Innovation no longer #1!" ...who would they put at #1?

I dunno, Innovation shows such domination when he wins, and when he loses it's so one-sided and goofy it's hard to know how to weigh its significance.

I think his reverse-sweep loss to SK showed more weakness than his loss to Maru, since TvZ is his best matchup and one he should be comfortable in. With TvT however, the patch shook everything up and it's clear Inno will have to take some time to get a handle on the matchup.



Yea. So if he wins like a beast and loses like a noob i guess you can locate him somewhere in the middle. He had a very short span of dominance now. Let's see what happens.

Concerning your question about who is number one: I guess every race has its very strong players. Terran has Inno/Flash/MVP (yes, NEVER ever count MVP out), Zerg has Soulkey and Life, Protoss has Rain (most solid player that the Protoss race has ever had i think) and maybe Sora soon (i like sOs but hes a little too gimicky for my taste)?

Innovation has been a monster for quite an extended period of time by SC2 standards. Hell at the end of Wings he was one of the few Terrans winning TvZs. He also plays relatively few tournament, SPL and the Korean individual leagues, and has pretty much placed top 4 in all of them for a big span.

It's a few poor series not necessarily meaning he's not the premiere player in the world at the minute.

It's not really fanboyism on my part, just there is no other player that has a better claim to the number 1 spot. I'd like to see an argument be made for others, but people haven't really been able to make it.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
July 31 2013 19:00 GMT
#2084
I think Rain has been consistently good. He was unlucky falling right out of GSL back then, but I don't think there has been a period where he has played "bad".

Now he's back in semi's.

And innovation..yes he has been pretty dominant for a while. You can't expect him to win every tournament but losing only the last series 4-0 is not to say he is not a premier player, and candidate to best of the world still. I would wait a bit longer to judge!
SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
July 31 2013 22:06 GMT
#2085
Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 31 2013 22:12 GMT
#2086
Rain is one of my favourites, indeed I like him more than Inno. I think he needs to win the OSL and the WCS season finals to supplant Innovation
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 31 2013 22:27 GMT
#2087
On August 01 2013 07:06 Megiddosc wrote:
Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.

He just needs to stop going 14CC on a map with the highest % of cheeses in the map pool.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
July 31 2013 22:43 GMT
#2088
On August 01 2013 07:27 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 07:06 Megiddosc wrote:
Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.

He just needs to stop going 14CC on a map with the highest % of cheeses in the map pool.

You think that was his problem against Bomber?
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 31 2013 22:48 GMT
#2089
On August 01 2013 07:27 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 07:06 Megiddosc wrote:
Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.

He just needs to stop going 14CC on a map with the highest % of cheeses in the map pool.


Innovation himself has his fair share of cheesy play.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 31 2013 23:08 GMT
#2090
On August 01 2013 07:43 Megiddosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 07:27 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 01 2013 07:06 Megiddosc wrote:
Innovation is on an 0-6 TvT slide, that isn't something that can be ignored. He needs to learn how to play TvT without hellbat drops.

He just needs to stop going 14CC on a map with the highest % of cheeses in the map pool.

You think that was his problem against Bomber?


His problem vs Bomber is that Bomber is a god and there's no way he could have won no matter what build he picked.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 01 2013 02:43 GMT
#2091
Wow, I never expected innovation to go down 4-0 I mean, ya he says that Maru has been on fire recently and his TvT is bad but cmon, at least 4-2 or something Doubt it'll faze him though. Definitely a boost to Maru's confidence. Wonder if his time has come to win a championship.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
August 02 2013 02:39 GMT
#2092
Anyone have a list of the kpop played on the OGN stream
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