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On July 30 2013 22:14 GWdeathscythe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 21:36 lichter wrote:On July 30 2013 21:24 ffadicted wrote:
Ahmahgaaawd I missed this series but sitting here at work going full WHAT THA F
Can anyone give me a summary of the games? No live report :[ Game 1: Banshees by Maru, late turret by Innovation, marine tank banshee all-in by Maru kills Innovation because he isn't scouting trying to defend from the banshees. Game 2: Proxy starport into elevator marine hellion (2 medivacs). Innovation goes Raven first on his Starport because he expects banshees, and then cancels a tank. GG. Game 3: Proxy 2rax vs CC first lol Game 4: Similar openings, but Innovation is too aggressive out on the map and carelessly loses a lot of units. Maru does incredible damage on the counter and just macros to victory, sealing the win with a couple of big drops. So.. Maru cheesed his way into the finals. Sad that Bogus didn't adapt and scout earlier to counter Maru. EDIT: we all know that even Bogus said his TvT is not that good, so it is expected that he fell in that MU.
you know how we know someone is a bw lower and can never stand kespa people being outplayed. He calls Innovation Bogus.
Its not as if Bogus is a good name. Innovation is actually good, even if he is not innovative.
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Austria24422 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame?
And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak.
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*Gets to work and starts day by checking this morning's results*
*Clicks spoilers*
*Spits coffee everywhere*
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On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak.
Maru is a lot more creative than Innovation. Even in the old GSTL days where MKP was driving the prime team Maru showed new strats.
Hahah though Tasteless jokingly predicted that Maru will 4-0!
And I bet you Maru isn't going to be top 3 in the power rank for july.
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On July 30 2013 22:33 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak. Maru is a lot more creative than Innovation. Even in the old GSTL days where MKP was driving the prime team Maru showed new strats. Hahah though Tasteless jokingly predicted that Maru will 4-0! And I bet you Maru isn't going to be top 3 in the power rank for july.
he'll be there, but if innovation wins SPL and places high in the season 2 finals, innovation will still be #1
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What is this!?!?
Sad for Innovation but Maru in Final makes up for it :-)
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On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak.
Oh and just to apologize. I thought I was replying to the same person (time for TL to get a responsive design). The original statement was "who is then?" (best player in the world).
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That's some powerleveling going on here
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LorxxWz.jpg)
Wonder what would be the cheese score for final
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Oops I forgot something.
Click and help out a bit please:
Poll: Recommend INnoVation vs Maru g5?Yes (14) 58% No (5) 21% If you have time (5) 21% 24 total votes Your vote: Recommend INnoVation vs Maru g5? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend INnoVation vs Maru g6?If you have time (12) 52% Yes (6) 26% No (5) 22% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend INnoVation vs Maru g6? (Vote): Yes
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juicyjames
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OGN is scheduled to do the 5th place matches next Tuesday, so I'm guessing Gom will dual-broadcast like usual.
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Austria24422 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:35 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak. Oh and just to apologize. I thought I was replying to the same person (time for TL to get a responsive design). The original statement was "who is then?" (best player in the world).
Oh, no problem. Time for me to get a new icon finally. I want my templar back or just jump me ahead to carrier.
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On July 30 2013 22:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:33 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak. Maru is a lot more creative than Innovation. Even in the old GSTL days where MKP was driving the prime team Maru showed new strats. Hahah though Tasteless jokingly predicted that Maru will 4-0! And I bet you Maru isn't going to be top 3 in the power rank for july. he'll be there, but if innovation wins SPL and places high in the season 2 finals, innovation will still be #1
Not top 3. Odds are Rain will jump up, soulkey if he does well in SPL. Maybe Jaedong also since the writers love him.
I could be wrong. But I doubt Maru will get top 3.
Come on TL writers, prove us wrong!
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On July 30 2013 22:36 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 30 2013 22:33 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak. Maru is a lot more creative than Innovation. Even in the old GSTL days where MKP was driving the prime team Maru showed new strats. Hahah though Tasteless jokingly predicted that Maru will 4-0! And I bet you Maru isn't going to be top 3 in the power rank for july. he'll be there, but if innovation wins SPL and places high in the season 2 finals, innovation will still be #1 Not top 3. Odds are Rain will jump up, soulkey if he does well in SPL. Maybe Jaedong also since the writers love him. I could be wrong. But I doubt Maru will get top 3. Come on TL writers, prove us wrong!
unless maru wins, and wins the season 2 grand finals, I doubt he'll make top 3
he doesn't have enough results, he hasn't done anything since GSTL besides the OSL/WCS
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Oh crap... This just ensured that bombers law will come to fruition. I have 100% faith in him winning the OSL now  damn you Maru!
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Honestly Innovation still made Ro4. No way he won't be top 3 still for August. (PR probably coming in the next week)
Flash and soulkey should have fallen a bit. SK not as much as Flash imo. Rain might go to #2.
Bomber should be top 5. My prediction is Maru would sit somewhere in that middle area too. Somewhere between 4 and 7.
And that should be fine. Let's be honest, Maru has just rocked this season. His results before this OSL have been ok, but nothing rank-worthy. A PR wouldn't really allow someone to go from #?? to #1.
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On July 30 2013 22:30 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:14 GWdeathscythe wrote:On July 30 2013 21:36 lichter wrote:On July 30 2013 21:24 ffadicted wrote:
Ahmahgaaawd I missed this series but sitting here at work going full WHAT THA F
Can anyone give me a summary of the games? No live report :[ Game 1: Banshees by Maru, late turret by Innovation, marine tank banshee all-in by Maru kills Innovation because he isn't scouting trying to defend from the banshees. Game 2: Proxy starport into elevator marine hellion (2 medivacs). Innovation goes Raven first on his Starport because he expects banshees, and then cancels a tank. GG. Game 3: Proxy 2rax vs CC first lol Game 4: Similar openings, but Innovation is too aggressive out on the map and carelessly loses a lot of units. Maru does incredible damage on the counter and just macros to victory, sealing the win with a couple of big drops. So.. Maru cheesed his way into the finals. Sad that Bogus didn't adapt and scout earlier to counter Maru. EDIT: we all know that even Bogus said his TvT is not that good, so it is expected that he fell in that MU. you know how we know someone is a bw lower and can never stand kespa people being outplayed. He calls Innovation Bogus. Its not as if Bogus is a good name. Innovation is actually good, even if he is not innovative.
It's not like someone can't stick with what they were originally called. Losira will always be losira, major will always be major etc.
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On July 30 2013 22:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:33 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak. Maru is a lot more creative than Innovation. Even in the old GSTL days where MKP was driving the prime team Maru showed new strats. Hahah though Tasteless jokingly predicted that Maru will 4-0! And I bet you Maru isn't going to be top 3 in the power rank for july. he'll be there, but if innovation wins SPL and places high in the season 2 finals, innovation will still be #1
Innovation can't win SPL, its a team league. Otherwise Yoda should be number 1. Harder format, more reactive and Yoda has a 73% win rate. And squirtle has a 100% win rate. Super has a 9-1 win record. 9-1!!!
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On July 30 2013 22:51 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 22:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 30 2013 22:33 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 22:06 redviper wrote:On July 30 2013 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2013 21:57 redviper wrote:
Innovation is really the best player in the world. Lolololololoooool (can't type enough lolz on tur phone).
And still, I bet he will be number on power rank. Mary read him like a book, opened it up and then burned all the pages. Who is then? Runner-up, winner, Ro4 in the hardest leagues in SC2 innovation has won the grand total of ONE tournament. remember when taeja was unbeatable? Remember when fruitdealer was unbeatable? right now, Maru is a better player. Lucky for innovation that osl bo1 format kept him safe in ro32. Disagree heavily. Maru's TvT may be better, it probably is, but Innovation is still the overall better player. If you wanna go down the tournaments won route, how many has Maru won? I don't think Maru is the best player. I said Maru is a better player right now. Innovation is nowhere near the levels of the hype that people seem to associate to him. He didn't show any innovation (haha) or insight in his matches ever. Yeah he has good mechanics but how has he evolved the metagame? And where did I say that Innovation is the best player? I just said that he's overall better than Maru. Your arguments can be reflected back on Maru. Innovation has better mechanics. So what exactly makes Maru better? He sure as hell isn't the most creative player. He also hasn't evolved the metagame whereas Innovation sure as hell has. People are trying to copy his TvZ and TvP style as we speak. Maru is a lot more creative than Innovation. Even in the old GSTL days where MKP was driving the prime team Maru showed new strats. Hahah though Tasteless jokingly predicted that Maru will 4-0! And I bet you Maru isn't going to be top 3 in the power rank for july. he'll be there, but if innovation wins SPL and places high in the season 2 finals, innovation will still be #1 Innovation can't win SPL, its a team league. Otherwise Yoda should be number 1. Harder format, more reactive and Yoda has a 73% win rate. And squirtle has a 100% win rate. Super has a 9-1 win record. 9-1!!!
you know what I mean about innovation winning the SPL, if he wins his match, or both his matches, he's going to remain top 3 easy
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Sad thing is that Innovation isn't even crying. MKP would have cried.
That is why its hard to even like Innovation. No emotion IRL and no grace in the game.
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