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EFermi
Profile Joined May 2011
United States165 Posts
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3861
On June 30 2013 09:41 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:37 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


???

Wow. Forfeit at this stage?


Makes sense. When I saw the he was gonna be up against Kane, I figure he was just gonna throw it.

Forfeit is even more efficient - gives Kane more time to rest/prepare for the next round.



How can people say this so casually? Isn't that essentially matchfixing?


Matchfixing was as a big deal as it was because of the illegal gambling.
GO herO, Bunny, JangBi, Savage, BaBy, Pigbaby, StarDust, RoRo, Flying and Soulkey
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 00:44:02
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3862
On June 30 2013 09:41 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:37 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


???

Wow. Forfeit at this stage?


Makes sense. When I saw the he was gonna be up against Kane, I figure he was just gonna throw it.

Forfeit is even more efficient - gives Kane more time to rest/prepare for the next round.



How can people say this so casually? Isn't that essentially matchfixing?


No...Because in match-fixing the match is already pre-decided and so that betters can rig profits.

If you forfeit, no matter the reason, you forfeit. That isn't rigging the system because CatZ cannot control who Kane plays next. It is up to Kane's skill. Either way Kane probably would have won so CatZ didn't waste his time.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3863
Dear so ridiculously good, not falling for any tricks.
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3864
Actually Bubbles' play on the spot is nice to see, he sent some warped-in templars to feedback Nony's in order to prevent storms.
And then he hallucinated another couple of HT to trick Nony.
Nice series to watch so far.
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
HeroWeDeserve
Profile Joined June 2013
69 Posts
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3865
On June 30 2013 09:42 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:41 Exarl25 wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


On June 30 2013 09:37 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


???

Wow. Forfeit at this stage?


Makes sense. When I saw the he was gonna be up against Kane, I figure he was just gonna throw it.

Forfeit is even more efficient - gives Kane more time to rest/prepare for the next round.



How can people say this so casually? Isn't that essentially matchfixing?

Yes it is.


Matchfixing is when you predetermine matches to make money by betting on them. Forfeiting your spot in the tournament to a friend is not matchfixing
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3866
On June 30 2013 09:41 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:36 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


Nah, you don't forfeit for that. At least, officially. Wouldn't be acceptable.

It seems he did, the official ROOT twitter (https://twitter.com/ROOT4ROOT/status/351128716266569728) tweeted:
"[MLG Score Update] @ROOTCatZ forfeits his match against fellow teammate @ROOT_Kane. Kane moves onto the next round."
As no reason was given it seems reasonable to assume that it was to give Kane a better run. Personally I don't see it as much of an issue as CatZ is a manager of the team and the match wasn't a very important one like a semifinal or final. What would be unacceptable would be playing the game and then throwing it.


I think its unacceptable either way to be honest.
Red and yellow are all I see
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
June 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#3867
On June 30 2013 09:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:

haha

haha wow how did that happen?


Select did on ladder a couple of weeks ago. Couldn't find the video though. :/
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 30 2013 00:44 GMT
#3868
This Incontrol game was pretty fun
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
June 30 2013 00:44 GMT
#3869
On June 30 2013 09:41 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:37 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


???

Wow. Forfeit at this stage?


Makes sense. When I saw the he was gonna be up against Kane, I figure he was just gonna throw it.

Forfeit is even more efficient - gives Kane more time to rest/prepare for the next round.



How can people say this so casually? Isn't that essentially matchfixing?


Well what if he was just "too late". You know what i mean? You dont need a reason for this.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 00:44 GMT
#3870
Actually if CatZ really just 'let' Kane through I believe that is a really big deal and he should be banned.
Red and yellow are all I see
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 30 2013 00:44 GMT
#3871
Kawaiirice 2-0 Incontrol
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
June 30 2013 00:44 GMT
#3872
JD replaced mid game? Sweet
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
June 30 2013 00:45 GMT
#3873
Lol, TB. How do you counter every unit?
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
June 30 2013 00:45 GMT
#3874
On June 30 2013 09:44 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Actually if CatZ really just 'let' Kane through I believe that is a really big deal and he should be banned.


Then we are thankful you have absolutely no control over the rules
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 30 2013 00:45 GMT
#3875
incontrol out after his close 2-1 with illusion this makes me really sad
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
June 30 2013 00:45 GMT
#3876
On June 30 2013 09:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Kawaiirice 2-0 Incontrol

Kawaiirice is still alive?
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
June 30 2013 00:46 GMT
#3877
Catz forfeiting is not match fixing. Knowing Catz' philosophy about Root, I am not surprised he let him pass.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 30 2013 00:46 GMT
#3878
On June 30 2013 09:43 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:41 rasnj wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:36 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


Nah, you don't forfeit for that. At least, officially. Wouldn't be acceptable.

It seems he did, the official ROOT twitter (https://twitter.com/ROOT4ROOT/status/351128716266569728) tweeted:
"[MLG Score Update] @ROOTCatZ forfeits his match against fellow teammate @ROOT_Kane. Kane moves onto the next round."
As no reason was given it seems reasonable to assume that it was to give Kane a better run. Personally I don't see it as much of an issue as CatZ is a manager of the team and the match wasn't a very important one like a semifinal or final. What would be unacceptable would be playing the game and then throwing it.


I think its unacceptable either way to be honest.


It's actually not.

Think about it, they can force him to play and then he'd just throw the games. Same result.
DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
June 30 2013 00:46 GMT
#3879
Why does JD keep going hydras? Did he not scout the colossi?
If your all in didn't work, you didn't pull the workers.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
June 30 2013 00:46 GMT
#3880
On June 30 2013 09:43 HeroWeDeserve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 09:42 Boucot wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:41 Exarl25 wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


Probably because Kane is his teammate and he thought Kane would have a better chance to advance?


On June 30 2013 09:37 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:35 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 09:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Did anyone ever say/find out why CatZ forfeited?


???

Wow. Forfeit at this stage?


Makes sense. When I saw the he was gonna be up against Kane, I figure he was just gonna throw it.

Forfeit is even more efficient - gives Kane more time to rest/prepare for the next round.



How can people say this so casually? Isn't that essentially matchfixing?

Yes it is.


Matchfixing is when you predetermine matches to make money by betting on them. Forfeiting your spot in the tournament to a friend is not matchfixing

It can be for money but it can be for a sportive goal (Valenciennes-Marseille 1993). And I'm sure Kane is not really happy to go through this way. Or it shows a lack of confidence from CatZ about Kane.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
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