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stream lagging for anyone else? doesnt matter which quality i choose 
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and not a single tank is made so far o_O
now they are making tanks... finally
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On June 17 2013 17:02 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 16:58 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:54 WigglingSquid wrote:On June 17 2013 16:51 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:47 tl2212 wrote:On June 17 2013 16:42 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:40 Dodgin wrote:
Stork is now officially on the worst losing streak of the 12-13 Proleague season, he edges out Revival's 9 game losing streak with this game to make it 10.
He's 2-12 in HotS. I never saw him play in BW. So, I don't know if this is how he looks when he is playing, but he looks bored when he is playing SC2. Did he always look like that when playing SC? Maybe SC2 Protoss just does not suit him. :-/ (That, or he is just over SC altogether.) in bw stork was known for having a very low apm, he would often just mass carriers and proceed to 1a as protoss (which was very viable in bw). his style was not to play very tense and fast , but to be calm and try to think and always make good decisions. in sc2 though you neeeed a high apm to manage your army and macro at the same time. maybe he should just go for max 200/200 3base protoss style every game instead. Ah, thanks. It must suck to play a whole new game and realise you may not have the skill-set to play it well. His blink Stalker micro seemed alright, except that Stalkers suck against Hydras (and in this game were not even upgraded). Being calm and being able to think are facets of all good Protoss players. So, yes, perhaps he should try to play passive Protoss style. I'd say it's actually a bit sad on the design side of SC2. Moreso in HotS, where Blizzard repeatedly stated that they are striving to add "microable", aggression/multitasking-oriented units to increase the skill-ceiling, as if micro was the sole determinant of skill. I'm not sure I get what you mean. Would you care to explain? I think I can give you an example: marine-tank-medivac TvT in WoL was all about the decision making, you were playing a game of chess only on a very high speed. TvT in HotS is hellbat-drops. Hellbat-drops need micro, defending against them in particular needs good and quick micro. But in my opinion it's just a way worse kind of game. I really loved the old TvT because I could out-smart my opponents, now I can only hope that I see the medivacs in time, there is not much thinking involved
Ah, I see. Yes, I agree. That makes perfect sense. (PvP is the best mirror right now, IMO.)
I thought he was referring to macro requirements in SC2 as opposed to BW. This I did not understand. Hence my question.
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On June 17 2013 17:02 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 16:58 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:54 WigglingSquid wrote:On June 17 2013 16:51 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:47 tl2212 wrote:On June 17 2013 16:42 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:40 Dodgin wrote:
Stork is now officially on the worst losing streak of the 12-13 Proleague season, he edges out Revival's 9 game losing streak with this game to make it 10.
He's 2-12 in HotS. I never saw him play in BW. So, I don't know if this is how he looks when he is playing, but he looks bored when he is playing SC2. Did he always look like that when playing SC? Maybe SC2 Protoss just does not suit him. :-/ (That, or he is just over SC altogether.) in bw stork was known for having a very low apm, he would often just mass carriers and proceed to 1a as protoss (which was very viable in bw). his style was not to play very tense and fast , but to be calm and try to think and always make good decisions. in sc2 though you neeeed a high apm to manage your army and macro at the same time. maybe he should just go for max 200/200 3base protoss style every game instead. Ah, thanks. It must suck to play a whole new game and realise you may not have the skill-set to play it well. His blink Stalker micro seemed alright, except that Stalkers suck against Hydras (and in this game were not even upgraded). Being calm and being able to think are facets of all good Protoss players. So, yes, perhaps he should try to play passive Protoss style. I'd say it's actually a bit sad on the design side of SC2. Moreso in HotS, where Blizzard repeatedly stated that they are striving to add "microable", aggression/multitasking-oriented units to increase the skill-ceiling, as if micro was the sole determinant of skill. I'm not sure I get what you mean. Would you care to explain? I think I can give you an example: marine-tank-medivac TvT in WoL was all about the decision making, you were playing a game of chess only on a very high speed. TvT in HotS is hellbat-drops. Hellbat-drops need micro, defending against them in particular needs good and quick micro. But in my opinion it's just a way worse kind of game. I really loved the old TvT because I could out-smart my opponents, now I can only hope that I see the medivacs in time, there is not much thinking involved
I think that WoL was more coherently designed, HotS is more ambitious but is held together with duct-tape. We have more micro and multitasking, but it's done by adding ugly fixes like having unkillable super strong harass units. It might fall apart in the end, but for now it's more exciting I suppose.
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On June 17 2013 17:04 schaf wrote:stream lagging for anyone else? doesnt matter which quality i choose
yes everyone has this problem,
and i even cannot watch the youtube stream for some reason...
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On June 17 2013 17:03 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:01 Daswollvieh wrote:
Youtube is not working for me, am I doing something wrong? You can start by explaining whether or not your ID is referring to sheep Doesn't it mean something like "That's what we want"? I really should get better at German..
LOL, made my day! 
Still can hardly watch, though...
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:03 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:01 Daswollvieh wrote:
Youtube is not working for me, am I doing something wrong? You can start by explaining whether or not your ID is referring to sheep Doesn't it mean something like "That's what we want"? I really should get better at German..
Heh, it actually does sound like that when you say it out loud
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On June 17 2013 17:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:03 Heartland wrote:On June 17 2013 17:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:01 Daswollvieh wrote:
Youtube is not working for me, am I doing something wrong? You can start by explaining whether or not your ID is referring to sheep Doesn't it mean something like "That's what we want"? I really should get better at German.. Heh, it actually does sound like that when you say it out loud
I thought "woll" was like "wollen." I'll be quiet now :/
In other news, go fanta!
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On June 17 2013 17:04 schaf wrote:stream lagging for anyone else? doesnt matter which quality i choose
The Twitch stream was lagging horribly for me.
Try the Youtube one, it is linked in the OP. Seems to be working ok.
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Yes! The classic CC vs viking micro battle.
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WigglingSquid
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On June 17 2013 16:58 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 16:54 WigglingSquid wrote:On June 17 2013 16:51 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:47 tl2212 wrote:On June 17 2013 16:42 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:40 Dodgin wrote:
Stork is now officially on the worst losing streak of the 12-13 Proleague season, he edges out Revival's 9 game losing streak with this game to make it 10.
He's 2-12 in HotS. I never saw him play in BW. So, I don't know if this is how he looks when he is playing, but he looks bored when he is playing SC2. Did he always look like that when playing SC? Maybe SC2 Protoss just does not suit him. :-/ (That, or he is just over SC altogether.) in bw stork was known for having a very low apm, he would often just mass carriers and proceed to 1a as protoss (which was very viable in bw). his style was not to play very tense and fast , but to be calm and try to think and always make good decisions. in sc2 though you neeeed a high apm to manage your army and macro at the same time. maybe he should just go for max 200/200 3base protoss style every game instead. Ah, thanks. It must suck to play a whole new game and realise you may not have the skill-set to play it well. His blink Stalker micro seemed alright, except that Stalkers suck against Hydras (and in this game were not even upgraded). Being calm and being able to think are facets of all good Protoss players. So, yes, perhaps he should try to play passive Protoss style. I'd say it's actually a bit sad on the design side of SC2. Moreso in HotS, where Blizzard repeatedly stated that they are striving to add "microable", aggression/multitasking-oriented units to increase the skill-ceiling, as if micro was the sole determinant of skill. I'm not sure I get what you mean. Would you care to explain?
SC2 devs are strongly focusing their design updates on the "spectacular" end of the skill spectrum, which requires mad micro and speed, but there is little effort to improve or extend the strategic side of the game. Some players end up at a disadvantage for this.
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On June 17 2013 17:04 poisui wrote:
Reality and fantasy are both filled with hellbats.
It's a cruel world after all.
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I guess the youtube stream works everywhere except for Germany. Must be some kind of GEMA bullshit.
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On June 17 2013 17:05 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:02 Yello wrote:On June 17 2013 16:58 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:54 WigglingSquid wrote:On June 17 2013 16:51 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:47 tl2212 wrote:On June 17 2013 16:42 aZealot wrote:On June 17 2013 16:40 Dodgin wrote:
Stork is now officially on the worst losing streak of the 12-13 Proleague season, he edges out Revival's 9 game losing streak with this game to make it 10.
He's 2-12 in HotS. I never saw him play in BW. So, I don't know if this is how he looks when he is playing, but he looks bored when he is playing SC2. Did he always look like that when playing SC? Maybe SC2 Protoss just does not suit him. :-/ (That, or he is just over SC altogether.) in bw stork was known for having a very low apm, he would often just mass carriers and proceed to 1a as protoss (which was very viable in bw). his style was not to play very tense and fast , but to be calm and try to think and always make good decisions. in sc2 though you neeeed a high apm to manage your army and macro at the same time. maybe he should just go for max 200/200 3base protoss style every game instead. Ah, thanks. It must suck to play a whole new game and realise you may not have the skill-set to play it well. His blink Stalker micro seemed alright, except that Stalkers suck against Hydras (and in this game were not even upgraded). Being calm and being able to think are facets of all good Protoss players. So, yes, perhaps he should try to play passive Protoss style. I'd say it's actually a bit sad on the design side of SC2. Moreso in HotS, where Blizzard repeatedly stated that they are striving to add "microable", aggression/multitasking-oriented units to increase the skill-ceiling, as if micro was the sole determinant of skill. I'm not sure I get what you mean. Would you care to explain? I think I can give you an example: marine-tank-medivac TvT in WoL was all about the decision making, you were playing a game of chess only on a very high speed. TvT in HotS is hellbat-drops. Hellbat-drops need micro, defending against them in particular needs good and quick micro. But in my opinion it's just a way worse kind of game. I really loved the old TvT because I could out-smart my opponents, now I can only hope that I see the medivacs in time, there is not much thinking involved I think that WoL was more coherently designed, HotS is more ambitious but is held together with duct-tape. We have more micro and multitasking, but it's done by adding ugly fixes like having unkillable super strong harass units. It might fall apart in the end, but for now it's more exciting I suppose.
I agree, HotS is way more exciting to watch and most games are also more exciting to play. But it seems kinda fragile, the gameplay could get ugly really fast. I guess we have to hope for Blizzard to keep tabs on the game and do the right things to keep it stable. And to be honest: they are doing a better job in HotS so far than they did ever before
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:08 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:03 Heartland wrote:On June 17 2013 17:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:01 Daswollvieh wrote:
Youtube is not working for me, am I doing something wrong? You can start by explaining whether or not your ID is referring to sheep Doesn't it mean something like "That's what we want"? I really should get better at German.. Heh, it actually does sound like that when you say it out loud I thought "woll" was like "wollen." I'll be quiet now :/ In other news, go fanta!
His ID means "Thewoolanimal/beast" but you were pretty close!
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On June 17 2013 17:08 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 17:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:03 Heartland wrote:On June 17 2013 17:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 17 2013 17:01 Daswollvieh wrote:
Youtube is not working for me, am I doing something wrong? You can start by explaining whether or not your ID is referring to sheep Doesn't it mean something like "That's what we want"? I really should get better at German.. Heh, it actually does sound like that when you say it out loud I thought "woll" was like "wollen." I'll be quiet now :/ In other news, go fanta!
Das Woll-Vieh would be 'The wool-cattle', which could be interpreted as a sheep :D
or you pronounce it slightly different, then it's 'that's what we want' in a dialect
On June 17 2013 17:09 Daswollvieh wrote:I guess the youtube stream works everywhere except for Germany. Must be some kind of GEMA bullshit.
http://unblocker.yt/
works for me with Opera and Chrome
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Reality is harsh, but Fantasy is harsher.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Nothing better than hellbats waddling up to tanks and taking them out no problem
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On June 17 2013 17:11 poisui wrote:
Reality is harsh, but Fantasy is harsher.
And nothing reigns supreme over both.
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