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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:26 Undead1993 wrote: are you serious? i n a straight up engagement u need to kill the locust, and the discussion stops here. it's just silly to say you don't need to kill the locust It's entirely possible to kite the locusts one direction and flank the swarmhosts from another. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:26 Undead1993 wrote: are you serious? i n a straight up engagement u need to kill the locust, and the discussion stops here. it's just silly to say you don't need to kill the locust Its actually silly to say anything different. You in no way shape or form need to kill the locust to kill the swarm host. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:26 imallinson wrote: I think the problem people have with swarm hosts isn't that they give free units but that the way they work effectively gives them an absurdly high range. Then they should really complain about that. What if locusts were restricted to only walk 15 range from the swarm hosts would that remove the issue? I seem to remember plenty of complaining about free infested terrans despite them having a very low effective range. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:27 Bagi wrote: It's entirely possible to kite the locusts one direction and flank the swarmhosts from another. no, it is not, locust is faster than templars, and you absolutely need templars to kill vipers, queens and infestors | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:27 Bagi wrote: It's entirely possible to kite the locusts one direction and flank the swarmhosts from another. you are relying on the zerg to make a huge mistake  good theory really good theoretical work | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:24 rasnj wrote: How does that relate at all to what I said? I said locusts are not free in a meaningful sense, I never said that all units are free as you seem to be interpreting my response as. Why even make a distinction between a unit such as a locust and a bullet/tank shot? Yes technically locusts are designated locusts and they have some advantages (and disadvantages) over instant hit shots. If a tempest shot was redesignated as a unit and was altered slightly (maybe it could be shot down, and it could retarget), would you then start complaining that tempests spawned free units despite the fact that they would act pretty much as before? I was merely pointing out the arbitrary distinction you were making. I don't even understand in my wildest dreams that here on a forum dedicated to StarCraft there's even a discussion about this equivalency. This is beyond absurd. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:26 imallinson wrote: I think the problem people have with swarm hosts isn't that they give free units but that the way they work effectively gives them an absurdly high range. This is exactly an issue you can discuss, the range is definitely huge. Also they provide their own vision. | ||
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:28 Undead1993 wrote: you are relying on the zerg to make a huge mistake good theory really good theoretical workA mistake like what? It's doable as long as the Zerg isn't having the locust just sit on top of their swarm host. Unless "attacking with the locusts" counts as a mistake. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:29 Kasaraki wrote: This is exactly an issue you can discuss, the range is definitely huge. Also they provide their own vision. Obviously the solution is to bring back Optical Flare, but since there needs to be a change so it is not a straight up copy from Brood War it is an AoE instead. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:30 DavoS wrote: A mistake like what? It's doable as long as the Zerg isn't having the locust just sit on top of their swarm host. Unless "attacking with the locusts" counts as a mistake. okay it's not a mistake for the zerg to leave their sh unprotected i get it now kk | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 03 2013 03:32 JazVM wrote: Btw this game reminds me awfully much of games we saw in WoL prior to the infestor buff: Zerg running into a voidray collosus wall You mean the boring swarm host play that is about to start. | ||
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Gonozal
Germany320 Posts
Poll: Which WCS Final had the best production quality? KR (9) EU (7) EU & KR (4) NA (0) NA & KR (0) EU & NA (0) I don't know (0) 20 total votes Your vote: Which WCS Final had the best production quality? (Vote): EU i hope i did not do a poll which already existed somewhere somehow | ||
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
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Wonderberg
Netherlands112 Posts
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