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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players Totally bogus, man | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On May 29 2013 21:58 opterown wrote: resorting to personal attacks, i like it very snide and unbecoming How is that a personal attack? I'm not sure if you've followed any other sports but ripping on other teams and their fans is inoffensive/standard. I just got called elitist/obnoxious and have managed to keep my panties twist-free. You really do need thicker skin. On May 29 2013 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote: He wants to fight for the side that fights for the living. rofl, best post this thread | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players. It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2. I see no logical reason why sc2 being mechanically easier than BW would make old veterans worse and younger players better. If It's less mechanically demanding then you would expect the veterans who have been playing for the longest to be the best at playing smart. It's simply a shift in generations and it would have happened had BW not died. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
In all seriousness though. It's easy to see KeSPA players rise because they are on KeSPA teams. However there are eSF players on the rise as well, I.E: Hurricane / Avenge who almost qualified for Code S themselves (still has a chance in ups and downs). But they are overshadowed by the KeSPA spammers and get very little attention sadly. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. How does that make sense? Skill ceiling is lower, so completely different players dominate the game like crazy? :D Judging by how monstrously Innovation dominate his non-mirrors, I would argue that the skill-ceiling is doing just fine. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players. It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2. User was warned for this post What is Bogus doing right now? I'm no kespa elitist but all the talk is about Innovation thesedays, where did Bogus go? | ||
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eGoRama
Bulgaria1542 Posts
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funKy_KroK
France101 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players. It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2. To be honest it's exactly how I feel about the KeSPA chant which in reality are BW chant during the BW scene KeSPA was the ennemy. We were all bashing the association because they were so unfair to the players we liked but now we are all under their banner, not because we love KeSPA but because we loved BW if I'm 100% selfish I just regret our beloved BW scene so much... but of course SC2 is global and it's much better for ESPORTS  | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:09 Zealously wrote: What is Bogus doing right now? I'm no kespa elitist but all the talk is about Innovation thesedays, where did Bogus go? Rain is 1 year younger than Fantasy lol | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that? No I think Bogus is more bogus than Innovation that's about it | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:11 gobbledydook wrote: No I think Bogus is more bogus than Innovation that's about it Source? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that? Best would be to have them play each other. Do we have any record of some good old Bogus vs Innovation BW TvT? | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:12 ZenithM wrote: Best would be to have them play each other. Do we have any record of some good old Bogus vs Innovation BW TvT? Bogus was micro oriented so he played Protoss in BW | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:13 lichter wrote: Bogus was micro oriented so he played Protoss in BW Oh sorry my bad  Worst is, Innovation can probably play against himself, right innovative hand vs left bogus hand. That's how mechanically glorious he is. Not talking about Bogus though, obviously. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote: Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. | ||
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that? Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS. And Innovation still struggles in TvT just like Bogus did. | ||
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eGoRama
Bulgaria1542 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:14 ZenithM wrote: Oh sorry my bad Worst is, Innovation can probably play against himself, right innovative hand vs left bogus hand. That's how mechanically glorious he is. Not talking about Bogus though, obviously. Also I dont like TvT I prefer PvP, thats why I recommend you Zest vs Wooki :D | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:16 eGoRama wrote: Also I dont like TvT I prefer PvP, thats why I recommend you Zest vs Wooki :D make it a FFA, Zest v Wooki v P7GAB v PGAB | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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