Golden vs. Trust YoDa vs. FanTaSy Golden vs. Savage FanTaSy vs. Trust YoDa vs. Savage FanTaSy vs. Golden Trust vs. Savage YoDa vs. Golden FanTaSy vs. Savage YoDa vs. Trust
(Vote): Golden & Trust (Vote): Golden & Yoda (Vote): Golden & Fantasy (Vote): Golden & Savage (Vote): Trust & Yoda (Vote): Trust & Fantasy (Vote): Trust & Savage (Vote): Yoda & Fantasy (Vote): Yoda & Savage (Vote): Fantasy & Savage
Poll: Heart?
Yoda & Fantasy (8)
31%
Fantasy & Savage (7)
27%
Golden & Fantasy (6)
23%
Golden & Yoda (3)
12%
Trust & Yoda (2)
8%
Golden & Trust (0)
0%
Golden & Savage (0)
0%
Trust & Fantasy (0)
0%
Trust & Savage (0)
0%
Yoda & Savage (0)
0%
26 total votes
Your vote: Heart?
(Vote): Golden & Trust (Vote): Golden & Yoda (Vote): Golden & Fantasy (Vote): Golden & Savage (Vote): Trust & Yoda (Vote): Trust & Fantasy (Vote): Trust & Savage (Vote): Yoda & Fantasy (Vote): Yoda & Savage (Vote): Fantasy & Savage
On May 29 2013 16:42 lichter wrote: I really want Fantasy to be Code S, but to be honest he isn't really Code S quality right now >:o
This is probably the weakest U/D group though so he should make it
True that, I also want Fantasy in Code S and I think he will make it. I just want today's games to be better than yesterday, cause all players, maybe except Leenock, were so bad/had a bad day.
On May 29 2013 16:44 opterown wrote: ehhh i don't know so much about this group. i suppose fanta and savage to make it
Savage with a 100% loss record though.
i heard he looked good in the seed tournament. none of the other players in this group reallyy impress me that much but savage qualified over some pretty good players
I'll predict Fantasy despite his lackluster PL performance in R5, Fantasy and Trust. I would say Fantasy and Yoda normally but Yoda's GSL ro16 games are not going to fade from my memory so soon, hopefully he shows a much better performance today.
On May 29 2013 17:00 intmastad wrote: What? Group b is the weakest?? Group a is more weakest. Leenock and drg is really bad both compare to the kespa zergs. And even lose to kespa trainee
Maru is better than fantasy, and this depresses me, because I don't like Maru at all and I love Fantasy. Bunny worse than either.
DRG is better than Golden, unfortunately equal to Savage.
Ruin and Trust are about equal based on the lack of info we have about either.
On May 29 2013 17:00 intmastad wrote: What? Group b is the weakest?? Group a is more weakest. Leenock and drg is really bad both compare to the kespa zergs. And even lose to kespa trainee
Leenock is only worse than Roro / Soulkey. And that's irrelevant since neither of them are in the Up and Down.
It's like saying Fantasy and Yoda are worse than Innovation and Flash, because they are. But it's also irrelevant since they are also not in the ups and downs.
You have to compare the players in the groups...
Out of all the 10 players in group A + B, I'd say Leenock is the best.
On May 29 2013 17:00 intmastad wrote: What? Group b is the weakest?? Group a is more weakest. Leenock and drg is really bad both compare to the kespa zergs. And even lose to kespa trainee
Leenock is only worse than Roro / Soulkey. And that's irrelevant since neither of them are in the Up and Down.
It's like saying Fantasy and Yoda are worse than Innovation and Flash, because they are. But it's also irrelevant since they are also not in the ups and downs.
You have to compare the players in the groups...
Out of all the 10 players in group A + B, I'd say Leenock is the best.
One could argue Yoda, though these up and downs haven't been as deathly in the past, probably due the exodus of other players to EU/NA.
9Muses receiving so much love from GomTV recently, they're becoming my favorites
As for today's group, so we have FanTaSy in the Up & Down once again... He has always under-performed there, but I am still believing, so let's see how he fares
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
Wow you get cannon rushed and then you become a dick. Nice.
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
Wow you get cannon rushed and then you become a dick. Nice.
Reminds me of one of the many people on public shaming twitter haha.
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
Wow you get cannon rushed and then you become a dick. Nice.
Huh? I haven't been cannon rushed in a bit. My buddy does CANNON RUSH in PvZ though.
On May 29 2013 18:18 Seiniyta wrote: ANyone else having issues loading the stream page? the twitch page itself seems to error out for me, and in TL the stream is just a black box.
On May 29 2013 18:18 Seiniyta wrote: ANyone else having issues loading the stream page? the twitch page itself seems to error out for me, and in TL the stream is just a black box.
edit: fixed
Yeah I was having that problem for a few minutes, looks fixed now though.
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
Wow you get cannon rushed and then you become a dick. Nice.
Huh? I haven't been cannon rushed in a bit. My buddy does CANNON RUSH in PvZ though.
On May 29 2013 18:06 Ruined Gamer wrote: how do you beat cannon rush tvp?
I'm this close to map hacking full time vs protoss because this is bullshit
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
Wow you get cannon rushed and then you become a dick. Nice.
My friend cannon rushes, if that's in refernces to the HotS terran thread (tbh, he DOES have a mean cannon rush )
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
On May 29 2013 18:16 Ruined Gamer wrote: I dislike how khaldor calls "them" (them being koreans) as robots. Just because they're gooks doesn't mean they're robots.
Wow you get cannon rushed and then you become a dick. Nice.
My friend cannon rushes, if that's in refernces to the HotS terran thread (tbh, he DOES have a mean cannon rush )
I use this build, but I go up to 70 drones before I do it. The lack of those 10 drones on minerals meant that he couldn't keep up the pressure after the first 2 waves.
On May 29 2013 18:25 stuchiu wrote: I use this build, but I go up to 70 drones before I do it. The lack of those 10 drones on minerals meant that he couldn't keep up the pressure after the first 2 waves.
On May 29 2013 18:24 jalstar wrote: Could someone good say how all-in this is? It looks pretty all-in.
depends on when the Zerg decides to stop building units and start building Drones again. Golden hasn't build any Drones at all during that aggression so it was pretty all-in and he'll probably just die to the counter-push now
On May 29 2013 18:25 stuchiu wrote: I use this build, but I go up to 70 drones before I do it. The lack of those 10 drones on minerals meant that he couldn't keep up the pressure after the first 2 waves.
What's your normal followup? Roach hydra viper?
I have never lost with the roach pressure. But usually mutas or if phoenixes are out 5 base into SH.
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
WHAT!? that's already the number one answer. You see "le swarm sit at base for 20 minutes host" and you go multiple colossus. Holy shit
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
WHAT!? that's already the number one answer. You see "le swarm sit at base for 20 minutes host" and you go multiple colossus. Holy shit
Yes and that's really, really boring so they're trying to make warp prism harass the better option, because it is slightly interesting.
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
I don't really know how buffing early usage of Warp Prism will help against Swarm Host. It's as if Blizzard's saying, "HEY, USE WARP PRISM, WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME CREATING IT".
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
WHAT!? that's already the number one answer. You see "le swarm sit at base for 20 minutes host" and you go multiple colossus. Holy shit
Yes and that's really, really boring so they're trying to make warp prism harass the better option, because it is slightly interesting.
yeah, moving a STIMMED MARINE SPEED dropship to a location, pressing "DEPLOY PYLON" and warping in 12 zealots sure is cool xD
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
WHAT!? that's already the number one answer. You see "le swarm sit at base for 20 minutes host" and you go multiple colossus. Holy shit
Yes and that's really, really boring so they're trying to make warp prism harass the better option, because it is slightly interesting.
yeah, moving a STIMMED MARINE SPEED dropship to a location, pressing "DEPLOY PYLON" and warping in 12 zealots sure is cool xD
On May 29 2013 18:28 gamerdude12345 wrote: WOW, and they want to buff prisms (as a toss this won't help, they need to remove WG/Forcefield and buff gateway units)
such a joke)
They just want people to start using warp prism harass vs swarm host turtle.
WHAT!? that's already the number one answer. You see "le swarm sit at base for 20 minutes host" and you go multiple colossus. Holy shit
Yes and that's really, really boring so they're trying to make warp prism harass the better option, because it is slightly interesting.
But its not like its hard to get warp prism speed against the swarm host turtle, so I don't see how useful this potential patch is.
Speed WP won't affect PvZ though. After the initial rush of all-ins after the change, eventually Zerg will just spine and spore even harder. But PvT on the other hand makes dt drops, gateway timings and zealot harass more viable early game.
I really like the Warp Prism change, maybe because I am trying to use it in every match up. But dont know, the Pro scene will show how good/bad/nothing this change is. On topic - gogo for epic TvT
On May 29 2013 18:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ah it's the famous base race against muta strat that never works.
what league are you..?
I like your attempted ad hominem!
i like how you get so defensive
also, there isn't much for me to explain, given how if you even bothered watching the game, you'd know you're proven wrong
edit: since you so desperately want to know what league i am, i'm kr master / NA master since 2011
Trust was leagues ahead, of course he won. I was saying that base trading against muta is generally not a good idea. He could've easily not base traded and bagged an easier win.
also hey, good for you being masters! I think we can settle this and agree that it doesn't really matter and that you got a dickish attitude.
00:00 - Yoda spawns bottom right, Fantasy spawns top left
01:00 - both players rax on the high ground
02:00 - gas from both players at 15 supply
03:00 - not much happening so far Yoda builds a CC Fanyasu builds a CC
04:00 - Reactor from both players, mirror builds so far both players build a factory 2nd gas from fantasy
05:00 - 2nd gas for yoda armoury for fantasy, hellbats! starport for yoda starport for fantasy wm for yoda
06:00 - medivacs being produced for both yoda heading out for a WM drop
07:00 - tanks begin for yoda the drop comes in!!! it gets picked off and the drop does nothing
08:00 - fantasy has his medivacs a bit late, double hellbat drop!!! yoda has 2 vikings and the firrst drop is repelled drop at the nat!!! it gets pushed back
09:00 - the drop in the mian is killed without a drop, good play from yoda
10:00 - yoda has a high tank count and moves across the map!!!! fantasy dropping but does he have enough at home!!!!!!!
00:00 - Yoda spawns bottom right, Fantasy spawns top left
01:00 - both players rax on the high ground
02:00 - gas from both players at 15 supply
03:00 - not much happening so far Yoda builds a CC Fanyasu builds a CC
04:00 - Reactor from both players, mirror builds so far both players build a factory 2nd gas from fantasy
05:00 - 2nd gas for yoda armoury for fantasy, hellbats! starport for yoda starport for fantasy wm for yoda
06:00 - medivacs being produced for both yoda heading out for a WM drop
07:00 - tanks begin for yoda the drop comes in!!! it gets picked off and the drop does nothing
08:00 - fantasy has his medivacs a bit late, double hellbat drop!!! yoda has 2 vikings and the firrst drop is repelled drop at the nat!!! it gets pushed back
09:00 - the drop in the mian is killed without a drop, good play from yoda
10:00 - yoda has a high tank count and moves across the map!!!! fantasy dropping but does he have enough at home!!!!!!!
11:00 - Fantasy pulls SCV's!! he cleans up yoda's atttack the hellbats ravage the works of yoda! fantasy is up 40 supply!!
12:00 - More drops incoming for fantasy they land in the minerals Yoda calls GG
Seriously, the Hellbat-dropping has reached a level where it just isn`t interesting to watch any more. TvT literally has the potential to be chess on speed but atm it feels like the golden era of 4 gate PvP.
On May 29 2013 18:43 pylonsalad wrote: So who still believes hellbats should not be nerfed?
They are only ruining TvT atm, so I don't know what should be done.
They're not ruining TvT. It's just Marine Tank has always been weak against mech in itself, but even early game if Yoda had just not gone for the push which he didn't need to do, he would have had units at home.
On May 29 2013 18:43 jalstar wrote: "tvts where one is hellbat dropping and the other isnt amuse me. you think they'd be like hey maybe i should try that shit eventually." - Idra
If you go bio tank, and you leave your base, all your scvs are belong to us hellbats. You must kill me completely with your one push because all your scvs are belong to us.
On May 29 2013 18:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ah it's the famous base race against muta strat that never works.
what league are you..?
I like your attempted ad hominem!
i like how you get so defensive
also, there isn't much for me to explain, given how if you even bothered watching the game, you'd know you're proven wrong
edit: since you so desperately want to know what league i am, i'm kr master / NA master since 2011
Trust was leagues ahead, of course he won. I was saying that base trading against muta is generally not a good idea. He could've easily not base traded and bagged an easier win.
also hey, good for you being masters! I think we can settle this and agree that it doesn't really matter and that you got a dickish attitude.
when you say something as foolish as "Ah it's the famous base race against muta strat that never works.", especially given trust's position in the game (mass blink stalker, +3 attack, huge economy with mass army), the last thing you should do is probably getting mad over me questioning your league
00:00 - Golden spawns top left, Savage spawns top right
01:00 - no shenanigans either side, no early pools both players scout vertically and wont scout eachother
02:00 - Hatch first for both players This map is incredibly large pool from both players
03:00 - Still no gas for both players double queens from both players
04:00 - savage scouts with a couple of lings still no gases and both players going up to 4 queens
05:00 - Spine from both sides Savage takes double gas Golden takes his double gas very passive start so far
06:00 - Golden starts double evo chamber and a bane nest speed for savage Roach warren for Golden! possible timing on the way double evo for savage and double evo
07:00 - Golden begins 1/1 melee and armour lair for savage and a bunch of lings 3rd hatchery for savage roach warren from savage golden starts speed
08:00 - savage pokes around with some lings poor bane detonation but no real way into the base for savage roach speed for savage savage begins 1/1 range + armour
09:00 - roaches on the way for savage golden moving out with a bunch of lings and rallying more!!! savage has some roaches THE LINGS MOVE IN with 1/1 finished inf pit for savage
10:00 - Savage has enough roaches to hold this! +2 armour for golden, he begins +1 range 3rd hatch for golden pathogen glands
00:00 - Golden spawns top left, Savage spawns top right
01:00 - no shenanigans either side, no early pools both players scout vertically and wont scout eachother
02:00 - Hatch first for both players This map is incredibly large pool from both players
03:00 - Still no gas for both players double queens from both players
04:00 - savage scouts with a couple of lings still no gases and both players going up to 4 queens
05:00 - Spine from both sides Savage takes double gas Golden takes his double gas very passive start so far
06:00 - Golden starts double evo chamber and a bane nest speed for savage Roach warren for Golden! possible timing on the way double evo for savage and double evo
07:00 - Golden begins 1/1 melee and armour lair for savage and a bunch of lings 3rd hatchery for savage roach warren from savage golden starts speed
08:00 - savage pokes around with some lings poor bane detonation but no real way into the base for savage roach speed for savage savage begins 1/1 range + armour
09:00 - roaches on the way for savage golden moving out with a bunch of lings and rallying more!!! savage has some roaches THE LINGS MOVE IN with 1/1 finished inf pit for savage
10:00 - Savage has enough roaches to hold this! +2 armour for golden, he begins +1 range 3rd hatch for golden pathogen glands
11:00 - Savage keeps building roaches and he moves out!!! can golden hold!! savage snipes the roach warren can he break through!!
12:00 - golden pushes back the first wave but reinforcements come in!!!! the roach warren goes down DRONES BEING PULLED!!!!!!!!! SAVAGE IS UP 60 SUPPLY!!!
13:00 - Infestors pop for golden but he misses the fungals! SAVAGE PUSHES THROUGH GG Savage wins
On May 29 2013 18:57 Schelim wrote: i don't think i've ever seen a game cast by Wolfdor where they don't say "geeee geee" together at the end of the game :D
On May 29 2013 18:51 Heartland wrote: I root for Startale, but I just always feel so bad for Team8. It's like watching NSHS players, you just want them to win out of pity.
Funny story about this... Savage knocked jjakji out of the seed tournament...
00:00 - FanTaSy spawns bottom right, Trust spawns top left
01:00 - Cross spawns no probes or SCV's out on the map gateway first for Trust
02:00 - CC first for FanTasy double gas from Trust rax cyber core from Trust shit khaldor's all mad about being bald again
03:00 - 2nd rax for Fantasy nexus from Trust MC core on the way
04:00 - no one scouted eachother yet Fantasy arguably ahead because of his CC first
05:00 - Robo begins for Trust Scouting denied by Trust forge on the way for Trust 3 gases from fantasy
06:00 - 3rd rax from fantasy +1 armour from trust stim begins for fantasy +1 weapons for fantasy factory begins for fantasy
07:00 - Hallucination scout from trust good scan fro fantasy, he sees anything twilight goes down for Trust a few marines move across the map... combat shields
08:00 - Trust playing safe here, drops should be spotted starport from fantasy +2 armour and charge on the way Templar archives begin! Medivacs begin
09:00 - 4 gates being added on for Trust Warp prism begins 3rd CC goes down concussive shields Trust will be on 7 gates!!
10:00 - Fantasy chilling mid map hallucinated colossus from trust to trick fantasy storm on the way the scan sees the collo is fake, 1 archon being made FANTASY GOES UP THE RAMP!!
00:00 - FanTaSy spawns bottom right, Trust spawns top left
01:00 - Cross spawns no probes or SCV's out on the map gateway first for Trust
02:00 - CC first for FanTasy double gas from Trust rax cyber core from Trust shit khaldor's all mad about being bald again
03:00 - 2nd rax for Fantasy nexus from Trust MC core on the way
04:00 - no one scouted eachother yet Fantasy arguably ahead because of his CC first
05:00 - Robo begins for Trust Scouting denied by Trust forge on the way for Trust 3 gases from fantasy
06:00 - 3rd rax from fantasy +1 armour from trust stim begins for fantasy +1 weapons for fantasy factory begins for fantasy
07:00 - Hallucination scout from trust good scan fro fantasy, he sees anything twilight goes down for Trust a few marines move across the map... combat shields
08:00 - Trust playing safe here, drops should be spotted starport from fantasy +2 armour and charge on the way Templar archives begin! Medivacs begin
09:00 - 4 gates being added on for Trust Warp prism begins 3rd CC goes down concussive shields Trust will be on 7 gates!!
10:00 - Fantasy chilling mid map hallucinated colossus from trust to trick fantasy storm on the way the scan sees the collo is fake, 1 archon being made FANTASY GOES UP THE RAMP!!
11:00 - Photon overcharge to push back fantasy STORM DROP FROM TRUST!!! 16 workers killed archon morphs in the mineral line!!
12:00 - meanwhile double drop from fantasy trust desperately morphing in templar but fantasy powering through pohotn overcharge he has to escape
13:00 - engagement between the main armies, goes much better for trust harass at the third of fantasy eventually gets cleaned up 3rd nexus goes down +1 weapons begins for trust
14:00 - Fantasy moves up to the third but trust is there to meet him 2/2 begins for fantasy,ghost academy on the way warp prism moves out 4 MEDIVAC DROP INCOMING!!!!
15:00 - some feedback and zealots to defend but it isnt enough!! fantasy moves into the main STORM DROP AT THE THIRD!!! good damage but worker count still even
00:00 - FanTaSy spawns bottom right, Trust spawns top left
01:00 - Cross spawns no probes or SCV's out on the map gateway first for Trust
02:00 - CC first for FanTasy double gas from Trust rax cyber core from Trust shit khaldor's all mad about being bald again
03:00 - 2nd rax for Fantasy nexus from Trust MC core on the way
04:00 - no one scouted eachother yet Fantasy arguably ahead because of his CC first
05:00 - Robo begins for Trust Scouting denied by Trust forge on the way for Trust 3 gases from fantasy
06:00 - 3rd rax from fantasy +1 armour from trust stim begins for fantasy +1 weapons for fantasy factory begins for fantasy
07:00 - Hallucination scout from trust good scan fro fantasy, he sees anything twilight goes down for Trust a few marines move across the map... combat shields
08:00 - Trust playing safe here, drops should be spotted starport from fantasy +2 armour and charge on the way Templar archives begin! Medivacs begin
09:00 - 4 gates being added on for Trust Warp prism begins 3rd CC goes down concussive shields Trust will be on 7 gates!!
10:00 - Fantasy chilling mid map hallucinated colossus from trust to trick fantasy storm on the way the scan sees the collo is fake, 1 archon being made FANTASY GOES UP THE RAMP!!
11:00 - Photon overcharge to push back fantasy STORM DROP FROM TRUST!!! 16 workers killed archon morphs in the mineral line!!
12:00 - meanwhile double drop from fantasy trust desperately morphing in templar but fantasy powering through pohotn overcharge he has to escape
13:00 - engagement between the main armies, goes much better for trust harass at the third of fantasy eventually gets cleaned up 3rd nexus goes down +1 weapons begins for trust
14:00 - Fantasy moves up to the third but trust is there to meet him 2/2 begins for fantasy,ghost academy on the way warp prism moves out 4 MEDIVAC DROP INCOMING!!!!
15:00 - some feedback and zealots to defend but it isnt enough!! fantasy moves into the main STORM DROP AT THE THIRD!!! good damage but worker count still even
16:00 - fantasy is forced out the main +2 weapons begin Fantasy moves into the third GREAT STORMS!!!!!!!! fantasy has to move away
17:00 - robo bay and 2nd robo for trust 3/3 begins for fantasy ghost production begins for fantasy supplies roughly equal 176-171 in favour of fantasy
18:00 - 4th nexus begins for trust 2nd starport and viking production begins colossus range begins 4th CC begins
19:00 - fantasy moving out across the map as does trust trusts army looks a little bit small but double colossus on the way defensive CC's being built for fantasy
20:00 - Fantasy goes around and moves up to the 4th base!!! backs off and they both move out GREAT SNIPES ON THE HT!!
00:00 - FanTaSy spawns bottom right, Trust spawns top left
01:00 - Cross spawns no probes or SCV's out on the map gateway first for Trust
02:00 - CC first for FanTasy double gas from Trust rax cyber core from Trust shit khaldor's all mad about being bald again
03:00 - 2nd rax for Fantasy nexus from Trust MC core on the way
04:00 - no one scouted eachother yet Fantasy arguably ahead because of his CC first
05:00 - Robo begins for Trust Scouting denied by Trust forge on the way for Trust 3 gases from fantasy
06:00 - 3rd rax from fantasy +1 armour from trust stim begins for fantasy +1 weapons for fantasy factory begins for fantasy
07:00 - Hallucination scout from trust good scan fro fantasy, he sees anything twilight goes down for Trust a few marines move across the map... combat shields
08:00 - Trust playing safe here, drops should be spotted starport from fantasy +2 armour and charge on the way Templar archives begin! Medivacs begin
09:00 - 4 gates being added on for Trust Warp prism begins 3rd CC goes down concussive shields Trust will be on 7 gates!!
10:00 - Fantasy chilling mid map hallucinated colossus from trust to trick fantasy storm on the way the scan sees the collo is fake, 1 archon being made FANTASY GOES UP THE RAMP!!
11:00 - Photon overcharge to push back fantasy STORM DROP FROM TRUST!!! 16 workers killed archon morphs in the mineral line!!
12:00 - meanwhile double drop from fantasy trust desperately morphing in templar but fantasy powering through pohotn overcharge he has to escape
13:00 - engagement between the main armies, goes much better for trust harass at the third of fantasy eventually gets cleaned up 3rd nexus goes down +1 weapons begins for trust
14:00 - Fantasy moves up to the third but trust is there to meet him 2/2 begins for fantasy,ghost academy on the way warp prism moves out 4 MEDIVAC DROP INCOMING!!!!
15:00 - some feedback and zealots to defend but it isnt enough!! fantasy moves into the main STORM DROP AT THE THIRD!!! good damage but worker count still even
16:00 - fantasy is forced out the main +2 weapons begin Fantasy moves into the third GREAT STORMS!!!!!!!! fantasy has to move away
17:00 - robo bay and 2nd robo for trust 3/3 begins for fantasy ghost production begins for fantasy supplies roughly equal 176-171 in favour of fantasy
18:00 - 4th nexus begins for trust 2nd starport and viking production begins colossus range begins 4th CC begins
19:00 - fantasy moving out across the map as does trust trusts army looks a little bit small but double colossus on the way defensive CC's being built for fantasy
20:00 - Fantasy goes around and moves up to the 4th base!!! backs off and they both move out GREAT SNIPES ON THE HT!!
21:00 - 3/3 begins for trust, he is behind on upgrades HERE WE GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP!!! GREAT EMP'S THE VIKINGS HAVE A GREAT ANGLE AND THE COLLO GO DOWN INCREDIBLE ENGAGEMENT FROM FANTASY
22:00 - Fantasy is up 30 supply and he has the momentum he wheels around and heads up the the third trust manages to stabalise,
23:00 - Fantasy moves out, good time warp... fantasy retreats and trust moves out hige amount of vkings!! GREAT EMP'S, trust backs off
24:00 - more HT sniped, fantasy geting the better of the HT, ghost battle FANTASY PUSHES OUT GREAT EMP's Fantasy moves forward again one collo goes down to vikings fantasy outside the 4th 3/3 finishes for trust
25:00 - FANTASY MOVES IN TRUST GOES TO ENGAGE VIKINGS HAVE A GREAT ANGLE AND THE COLLO DIE THE ZEALOTS CHARGE IN HE PICKS UP TO DROP...but HT are there and he has to leave
On May 29 2013 19:29 Zenbrez wrote: Khaldor and Wolf were downplaying Trust's state all game long.. he was never really in a bad position
Even bases in PvT is always a good econ position for protoss, army difference is not too huge. Don't know why they continue calling Fantasy in huge lead.
This game is a great example of how defender's advantage does exist in sc2, they aren't able to finish each other off after gaining an advantage due to the size of the map, PF's and cannons everywhere.
this is shaping up to be a pretty entertaining game
On May 29 2013 19:30 Blacktion wrote: Why does fantasy keep trying to go up that ramp? Why doesnt he just take down the 9 oclock? Hes nearly lost the game twice on that ramp
It feels like they both have no idea how to use their lead when they get one. Fantasy suicides and Trust wont do anything at all and allow Fantasy to come back..
On May 29 2013 19:31 Yello wrote: Fantasy needs some Hellbats or Marauders to tank some more damage. His micro is not good enough to go full Ghost-Marine
Yeah, Trust lost the game when he tried to push his minor advantage by attacking into that super defensible position outside Fantasy's natural. Big mistake.
This game looked like neither player knew how to attack in lategame TvP Every time one player attacked, he attacked at an awful timing or in an awful timing and during the times when one player actually had an advantage and a good timing to attack they staid passive
This Fanta v Trust was great. These are the TvPs I like to see, less, or no, deathblob than usual. Fantasy is great, glad to seem he'll most probably get back to Code S.
It seems like he'll do that hand in hand with Savage. What a cool scout this was :D
On May 29 2013 19:44 Dodgin wrote: I have a theory
Mvp lent his power to Yoda, that's why for a while Yoda was rising while Mvp was performing worse and worse.
Mvp took his power back to win WCS EU, Yoda is now powerless and that's why he's been losing almost every game.
OH, so that's what happened to all the souls Seed stole.
Alternatively, Seed was lending Yoda Byun's soul that he took last year. When Seed left IM he took back all the souls he was lending to the IM players.
On May 29 2013 19:44 Dodgin wrote: I have a theory
Mvp lent his power to Yoda, that's why for a while Yoda was rising while Mvp was performing worse and worse.
Mvp took his power back to win WCS EU, Yoda is now powerless and that's why he's been losing almost every game.
OH, so that's what happened to all the souls Seed stole.
Alternatively, Seed was lending Yoda Byun's soul that he took last year. When Seed left IM he took back all the souls he was lending to the IM players.
Soulless.
It is like the IM team house is just the biggest soul market in the world. The trades are insane and IM is N1 soul stealers and soul givers in the world economy of souls :D
On May 29 2013 19:44 Dodgin wrote: I have a theory
Mvp lent his power to Yoda, that's why for a while Yoda was rising while Mvp was performing worse and worse.
Mvp took his power back to win WCS EU, Yoda is now powerless and that's why he's been losing almost every game.
OH, so that's what happened to all the souls Seed stole.
Alternatively, Seed was lending Yoda Byun's soul that he took last year. When Seed left IM he took back all the souls he was lending to the IM players.
Soulless.
It is like the IM team house is just the biggest soul market in the world. The trades are insane and IM is N1 soul stealers and soul givers in the world economy of souls :D
On May 29 2013 19:47 Zealously wrote: Yoda is playing so unlike himself. I wonder what's up
Yoda is playing like he always does, I'd say. He is as inconsistent as Bomber.
I would call Bomber as "King of instability", and Yoda would be somewhere in top5
Who else makes that list?
Hero used to be up there, but he's more solid these days.
I'd put byun up there.
The funny thing is HerO always somehow managed to be at least like top 7 protoss in the world but his inconsistency moved him up and down that list constantly. So I guess he was kind of consistent-ish
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On May 29 2013 19:47 Zealously wrote: Yoda is playing so unlike himself. I wonder what's up
Yoda is playing like he always does, I'd say. He is as inconsistent as Bomber.
I would call Bomber as "King of instability", and Yoda would be somewhere in top5
Who else makes that list?
Bomber as a king - dominant #1 Yoda as a price Keen as a hand of king
Other notable players: DRG, MKP, Losira, Gumiho and Squirtle, probably I forgot someone :D
DRG not really inconsistent. He went from ok, to awesome, to amazingly awesome, to not as good, to heartbreakingly below average. Pretty straight forward curve imo.
A bit the same with Losira.
Somewhat agree with the rest. Gumiho's consistently chaotic though, so not sure if he really qualifies.
On May 29 2013 20:12 teddyoojo wrote: i dont get why ppl call yoda inconsistent, hes just bad
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Haha, sotrue ^^ Noticed that as well
Because what opterown says about Kespa fans and ESF fans is more or less true. There aren't actually "ESF fans" in the same sense as there are Kespa fans, and Kespa fans are more like ESF baiters. Anyone labeled an "ESF fan" is typically someone responding to the baiters in one way or another.
On May 29 2013 19:47 Zealously wrote: Yoda is playing so unlike himself. I wonder what's up
Yoda is playing like he always does, I'd say. He is as inconsistent as Bomber.
I would call Bomber as "King of instability", and Yoda would be somewhere in top5
Who else makes that list?
Bomber as a king - dominant #1 Yoda as a price Keen as a hand of king
Other notable players: DRG, MKP, Losira, Gumiho and Squirtle, probably I forgot someone :D
DRG not really inconsistent. He went from ok, to awesome, to amazingly awesome, to not as good, to heartbreakingly below average. Pretty straight forward curve imo.
A bit the same with Losira.
Somewhat agree with the rest. Gumiho's consistently chaotic though, so not sure if he really qualifies.
On May 29 2013 20:12 teddyoojo wrote: i dont get why ppl call yoda inconsistent, hes just bad
Well he sorta won a tournament in HotS...
To be honest it's pretty hard to determine in terms of time, but all of them were pretty good and pretty averege from time to time, even MVP was pretty bad during the last GSL WoL season, but he had he's health problems, so should that be counted?
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Haha, sotrue ^^ Noticed that as well
Because what opterown says about Kespa fans and ESF fans is more or less true. There aren't actually "ESF fans" in the same sense as there are Kespa fans, and Kespa fans are more like ESF baiters. Anyone labeled an "ESF fan" is typically someone responding to the baiters in one way or another.
I guess it's because there's some sort of storyline you can tie into with the Kespa fan-ness. Not quite the same for the ESF.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Haha, sotrue ^^ Noticed that as well
Because what opterown says about Kespa fans and ESF fans is more or less true. There aren't actually "ESF fans" in the same sense as there are Kespa fans, and Kespa fans are more like ESF baiters. Anyone labeled an "ESF fan" is typically someone responding to the baiters in one way or another.
I am a fan of Starcraft 2 and have some fav. players. Wanting to see good games no matter if the players are kespa or ESF makes me an anti-hipster it seems :/
@Heartland: thats complete nonsense, there are storylines and rivalries between ESF players as well. If you don't know some you don't care but don't say there are none.
edit: not saying you as you in person but in general... ^^
Isn't fantasy guaranteed to move on? If Fant loses his next game, and Trust wins his next 2 games, they'll both be 3-1, with Fanta winning the head-to-head
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
On May 29 2013 20:21 Zenbrez wrote: Isn't fantasy guaranteed to move on? If Fant loses his next game, and Trust wins his next 2 games, they'll both be 3-1, with Fanta winning the head-to-head
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
worthless esf
you're a joke
On May 15 2013 20:54 chisuri wrote: Oh my God, how could they allow the last match to be eSF vs eSF? Free slot for one low-level player? All matches should have at least one Kespa player. Well I guess they must have some eSF players in somehow.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
It's hilarious how some people are so far gone that they're baiting while simultaneously claiming that they're not baiting.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
Mega facepalm.
ROFL, keep it up pls, it is hilarious
I particularly like the part where Ruin is an elite player.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
worthless esf
you're a joke
I must admit, for comedy value that post was pretty incredible.
I don't think people should really care about eSF or Kespa, either way they're all Korean and most of the time really good.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
It's hilarious how some people are so far gone that they're baiting while simultaneously claiming that they're not baiting.
Can someone press the report button please? I'd love to but I don't have the button
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
It's hilarious how some people are so far gone that they're baiting while simultaneously claiming that they're not baiting.
Can someone press the report button please? I'd love to but I don't have the button
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
you call Ruin an established player? LOL oh man that's funny
On May 29 2013 20:14 Evil_Sheep wrote: Yoda is this group's DRG. Looks like Fanta + guy who's never won a televised game in hots go through...
About "that guy":
I don't follow PL closely and didn't follow B. Who is Savage? Is he notable for anything?
AFAIK he's just another of those extremely average Kespa players/zergs which seem to be owning GSL lately...
Qualifying != Owning
GSL = code S/A/B ...a lot of kespa non-stars/total nonames coming out of the woodwork, stepping over big names on their way to code S, I'd call it owning, yeah.
On May 29 2013 20:14 Evil_Sheep wrote: Yoda is this group's DRG. Looks like Fanta + guy who's never won a televised game in hots go through...
About "that guy":
I don't follow PL closely and didn't follow B. Who is Savage? Is he notable for anything?
AFAIK he's just another of those extremely average Kespa players/zergs which seem to be owning GSL lately...
Qualifying != Owning
GSL = code S/A/B ...a lot of kespa non-stars/total nonames coming out of the woodwork, stepping over big names on their way to code S, I'd call it owning, yeah.
well with an influx of a few hundred extra pros, you would expect a fair new no-names anyway. it wasn't so long ago that players like maru, parting, etc were no-names coming out of the woodwork stepping over big names too
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
So Ruin who didn't get past perlims in Code A is now established eSF player. Cute logic there, sir.
DRG didn't win anything in more than a year, you also completely ignore the type of player he is, but then whatever.
Nice troll, sir, I sincerely hope you're as witty in real life as you are on forums.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
So Ruin who didn't get past perlims in Code A is now established eSF player. Cute logic there, sir.
DRG didn't win anything in more than a year, you also completely ignore the type of player he is, but then whatever.
Nice troll, sir, I sincerely hope you're as witty in real life as you are on forums.
don't worry, he is also capable of gems like this
On May 15 2013 20:54 chisuri wrote: Oh my God, how could they allow the last match to be eSF vs eSF? Free slot for one low-level player? All matches should have at least one Kespa player. Well I guess they must have some eSF players in somehow.
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
So Ruin who didn't get past perlims in Code A is now established eSF player. Cute logic there, sir.
DRG didn't win anything in more than a year, you also completely ignore the type of player he is, but then whatever.
Nice troll, sir, I sincerely hope you're as witty in real life as you are on forums.
On May 15 2013 20:54 chisuri wrote: Oh my God, how could they allow the last match to be eSF vs eSF? Free slot for one low-level player? All matches should have at least one Kespa player. Well I guess they must have some eSF players in somehow.
User was temp banned for this post.
Nah, the post he made today was much better by far. Now that's a gem.
On May 29 2013 20:09 gTank wrote: Is this Kespa > ESF nonsense still in fashion? ^^
I for one want to see fantasy in code S, mostly because of my liquibets >_>
only when kespa players win. yesterday there was silence
Yesterday there was 1 rockie KESPA vs 4 established eSF, some of them were greatly hyped. KESPA player scored 2-2, and finished 3rd. And he is an absolute no name but he ranked higher than 2 elite eSF. Today, well, you can see for yourself. And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF. If only one of the three KESPA in this group was placed in yesterday group. Oh we can only wish. There is no fairness sometimes.
Why couldnt you make 'And there is no baiting here. We are celebrating for KESPA win over worthless eSF.' one sentence to make it even more hillarious? :'-(
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
On May 29 2013 20:14 Evil_Sheep wrote: Yoda is this group's DRG. Looks like Fanta + guy who's never won a televised game in hots go through...
About "that guy":
I don't follow PL closely and didn't follow B. Who is Savage? Is he notable for anything?
AFAIK he's just another of those extremely average Kespa players/zergs which seem to be owning GSL lately...
Qualifying != Owning
GSL = code S/A/B ...a lot of kespa non-stars/total nonames coming out of the woodwork, stepping over big names on their way to code S, I'd call it owning, yeah.
well with an influx of a few hundred extra pros, you would expect a fair new no-names anyway. it wasn't so long ago that players like maru, parting, etc were no-names coming out of the woodwork stepping over big names too
absolutely, it makes sense. not trying to join in the esf/kespa doggypile but it's impossible not to notice the novelty of having people like T8.Savage qualify over Yoda when it's like, 5 mins ago nobody knew who the fuck he was.
Here's an interesting stat: none of the Kespa players who qualified through code A ro24 not named Flash and Rain have a winning record in Proleague. That's 6 of them: Flying, hyvaa, Trap, Shine, soO, Bbyong.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
Because hating is awesome, apparently
Oh I likes me some hating. It makes my life so much more enjoyable and also it grows one´s genitals immensely.
OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
On May 29 2013 20:33 eGoRama wrote: Ohhh yes, my favorite topic after Korean/Foreigners is Kepsa/eSF. Please educate me. MORE!!!!
There's one simple rule to this.
KeSPA pros preform better than all others. It doesn't matter if they get eliminated in group stage or don't even manage to qualify, they are still best players in the tournament, and the only reason they didn't win is because of poor brackets/poor management/T imba/Z imba/P imba, etc.
nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
I look forward to nominating him for TL bans: the people's choice.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
If you make opterown ragequit TL for a week again I'm gonna spam the hell out of some admin to get you a red card.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
Starcraft is literally about deciding who is better via games... What do you think aligulac is all about?? Funny seeing so many esf'ers up in arms over one ridiculous troll post.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
what can I say, soon you will have a TL admin tell you what's wrong
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
If you make opterown ragequit TL for a week again I'm gonna spam the hell out of some admin to get you a red card.
^ LOL
i'm not on tl very often lately anyway haha other than popping in to check results/premaking LRs, too busy
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
contribute something, haha. that is amusing, indeed
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
operown contributes to the Sc2 community more than you will ever know so please show some respect here! and yes, your posts are hilarious to read XD
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
did you even read what i wrote? i guess not.. sry bro but you are the hater here i think. i just stated some facts, if you dont want to see them, ok not my fault here. my favorite players are from esf (life, mvp, leenock, maru), but that doesnt mean i have to hate kespa. they did a great job of catching up and now they are even a little bit ahead, if you think if someones says that he is hating on everything else, youre the one who is hating after all
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
First, he did not call you any names.
Second, you claim you do not bait, yet you say that being in U/D is the peak of performance for eSF players. Holy generalization and stupidity in that statement.
Seriously, just stop it and do not embarrass yourself any further.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
lol
please stop posting, you're an embarrassment to the TL BW community. at least the other people who do this made second accounts to do it on.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
He pre-made the thread you're currently abusing
I mean contributing to the discussions that are going instead of talking like a smartass. If he think I'm wrong he can point out. I'm right here to learn.
What he does to this thread or even TL is irrelevant if in this case he is trolling. Say something meaningful or say nothing if you don't have one.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
Starcraft is literally about deciding who is better via games... What do you think aligulac is all about?? Funny seeing so many esf'ers up in arms over one ridiculous troll post.
What?! First of all I am not esf-er or whatever you call them. Second - You can talk about so many things that invovle the game and why certain person won, not jumping on retarded topic: this group is better and shits on the other, right?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
Starcraft is literally about deciding who is better via games... What do you think aligulac is all about?? Funny seeing so many esf'ers up in arms over one ridiculous troll post.
By claiming esf-lers (which not really exist) are up in arms over what ever could be called baiting as well
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
did you even read what i wrote? i guess not.. sry bro but you are the hater here i think. i just stated some facts, if you dont want to see them, ok not my fault here. my favorite players are from esf (life, mvp, leenock, maru), but that doesnt mean i have to hate kespa. they did a great job of catching up and now they are even a little bit ahead, if you think if someones says that he is hating on everything else, youre the one who is hating after all
i think he quoted the wrong post, it doesn't make sense
and it's telling that there exists evidence of esf fans not hating kespa while there are some diehard fans of kespa who hate esf
On May 29 2013 20:50 NicksonReyes wrote: I admit I'm very biased towards Kespa. I just want to point out cheering for one does not automatically mean hating the other.
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
Where is the hate on the guy you quoted anyway?
of course, and i have no beef with that. you'll note that i (and others) mainly respond to trolls/baiters anyway and not people who are just happy for their favourite players
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
He pre-made the thread you're currently abusing
I mean contributing to the discussion that are going instead of talking like a smartass. If he think I'm wrong he can point out. I'm right here to learn.
What he does to this thread or even TL is irrelevant if in this case he is trolling. Say something meaningful or say nothing if you don't have one.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
what can I say, soon you will have a TL admin tell you what's wrong
There may be something wrong with his post but he's right. Kespa is the best and the gap will just keep getting bigger. That was of course inevitable and obvious to us non-newbies.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
You know, it's not effective trolling if it's that obvious xD
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
what can I say, soon you will have a TL admin tell you what's wrong
There may be something wrong with his post but he's right. Kespa is the best and the gap will just keep getting bigger. That was of course inevitable and obvious to us non-newbies.
Oh god, it's you again. There's something to be said about how consistently you're able to sound like an elitist ass. It's almost impressive. "us non-newbies" hahaha
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
He pre-made the thread you're currently abusing
I mean contributing to the discussion that are going instead of talking like a smartass. If he think I'm wrong he can point out. I'm right here to learn.
What he does to this thread or even TL is irrelevant if in this case he is trolling. Say something meaningful or say nothing if you don't have one.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
On May 29 2013 20:50 NicksonReyes wrote: I admit I'm very biased towards Kespa. I just want to point out cheering for one does not automatically mean hating the other.
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
Where is the hate on the guy you quoted anyway?
Check the prev posts. Now the guy's trying to use "facts" to bash "worthless esf players" some more.
I'm just being lazy quoting from the previous page.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
He pre-made the thread you're currently abusing
I mean contributing to the discussions that are going instead of talking like a smartass. If he think I'm wrong he can point out. I'm right here to learn.
What he does to this thread or even TL is irrelevant if in this case he is trolling. Say something meaningful or say nothing if you don't have one.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
He pre-made the thread you're currently abusing
I mean contributing to the discussions that are going instead of talking like a smartass. If he think I'm wrong he can point out. I'm right here to learn.
What he does to this thread or even TL is irrelevant if in this case he is trolling. Say something meaningful or say nothing if you don't have one.
On May 29 2013 20:50 NicksonReyes wrote: I admit I'm very biased towards Kespa. I just want to point out cheering for one does not automatically mean hating the other.
On May 29 2013 20:45 DidYuhim wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
Where is the hate on the guy you quoted anyway?
Check the prev posts. Now the guy's trying to use "facts" to bash "worthless esf players" some more.
I'm just being lazy quoting from the previous page.
I admited I used the word quite wrongly but you just have to keep coming back to it, right? And pointing out facts is bashing now?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
On May 29 2013 20:50 NicksonReyes wrote: I admit I'm very biased towards Kespa. I just want to point out cheering for one does not automatically mean hating the other.
On May 29 2013 20:45 DidYuhim wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
Where is the hate on the guy you quoted anyway?
Check the prev posts. Now the guy's trying to use "facts" to bash "worthless esf players" some more.
I'm just being lazy quoting from the previous page.
I admited I used the word quite wrongly but you just have to keep coming back to it, right? And pointing out facts is bashing now?
Wait, so you've just admitted logging in from multiple accounts?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
Yep, I am the leader of this opposition ,bitch!
Confusing response... you might want to try out some reading comprehension.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
Yep, I am the leader of this opposition ,bitch!
Confusing response... you might want to try out some reading comprehension.
Dont worry about my rd comprehension, it is just fine! Also it is not response.
On May 29 2013 20:50 NicksonReyes wrote: I admit I'm very biased towards Kespa. I just want to point out cheering for one does not automatically mean hating the other.
On May 29 2013 20:45 DidYuhim wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:43 Acer1791 wrote: nah dont get me wrong guys, i really dont care where the player is from (didnt follow bw at all, so no real connection to kespa first) but there was a lot of hype around these guys and it build up over the last seasons of gsl with more and more kespa guys in it. now we have 2 seasons in a row a kespa guy winning gsl and it doesnt seem unlikely that this trend will continue. i just wanted to say that the kespa training methods seem to be the better ones and esf has to step it up.
You know, if you don't like the game, you can just not watch it. You can get a ticket and watch only those games you want to at any time you want.
...or hating is awesome.
Where is the hate on the guy you quoted anyway?
Check the prev posts. Now the guy's trying to use "facts" to bash "worthless esf players" some more.
I'm just being lazy quoting from the previous page.
I admited I used the word quite wrongly but you just have to keep coming back to it, right? And pointing out facts is bashing now?
Wait, so you've just admitted logging in from multiple accounts?
I hope you've actually read the forum rules.
no he is not, cause i am not him omg. i dont get why you hate on my comment, its just observation of the current situation of kespa in code s/a if you would read my posts without your "kespa hate" you would see i dont hate on esf at all...
On May 29 2013 21:01 ZenithM wrote: The new meta is anti-KespaVsEsfDebate vs KespaVsEsfControversialists. NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE TO PICK A SIDE!
Better nerf something soon.
Hmm, are you maybe of those we commonly call the anti-[anti-KespaVsEsfDebate vs KespaVsEsfControversialists]-Debate?
Not really, now was the first time I wrote more than 2 sentences about it,most of the time I ignore it. I guess I am bored, also watching OGN LoL semifinals, and hating on the Euro/USD at the exchange market. Multitasking FTW
On May 29 2013 21:10 DarkLordOlli wrote: And yet we still come together every day to throw shit at each other. It's a bond we all share!
<3 the LRs
I've been avoiding LRs since people started throwing Kespa vs Esf shit at each other for the same reason I avoided most LR threads with foreigners for gsl.
So yeah. This sort of chatter helps me lose interest in gsl, which is almost the only interest I still maintain in sc2. =/
This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
On May 29 2013 21:10 DarkLordOlli wrote: And yet we still come together every day to throw shit at each other. It's a bond we all share!
<3 the LRs
I've been avoiding LRs since people started throwing Kespa vs Esf shit at each other for the same reason I avoided most LR threads with foreigners for gsl.
So yeah. This sort of chatter helps me lose interest in gsl, which is almost the only interest I still maintain in sc2. =/
Hey, be strong. You dont want to miss another IM GSL title :D
Eventually, the SC2 guys will start playing dirty and throw "bw is dead" chants at anyone who tries to bait some Kespa vs Esf troll war. I'm surprised people haven't resorted to this yet. SC2 defenders are nice. Because no matter who is better, Kespa or Esf, SC2 won and BW is dead (sadly).
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft
On May 29 2013 21:20 lichter wrote: Eventually, the SC2 guys will start playing dirty and throw "bw is dead" chants at anyone who tries to bait some Kespa vs Esf troll war. I'm surprised people haven't resorted to this yet. SC2 defenders are nice. Because no matter who is better, Kespa or Esf, SC2 won and BW is dead (sadly).
The day people start doing this, is the day I stop visiting these threads and contributing to this part of the forums. The LR's have always been really enjoyable for me because it creates that bar-craft like atmosphere and you mostly know all the people who hang out here. If that community feeling would be ruined by these arguments it would be really sad.
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft
This thread sure looks like Politics. eSF side is Democrat playing soft nicer Politics, and KeSPA baiters are Republicans playing hard unreasonable politics. Popularity is on Democrat side, but Republicans are more relentless.
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft
This thread sure looks like Politics. eSF side is Democrat playing soft nicer Politics, and KeSPA baiters are Republicans playing hard unreasonable politics.
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft
This thread sure looks like Politics. eSF side is Democrat playing soft nicer Politics, and KeSPA baiters are Republicans playing hard unreasonable politics.
What it looks like to me is some people posting for the sole reason of pissing others off, and some other people reacting or " taking the bait " because it pisses them off that people post garbage like that. It has nothing to do with a back and forth.
When you get to the actual core of the issue, very few people will argue that Kespa isn't currently doing better. I have seen literally 0 posts claiming that eSF is doing better than Kespa currently. People just don't need to be reminded of it(in a rude way) every single day, after a while it starts to get extremely annoying.
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
On May 29 2013 21:20 lichter wrote: Eventually, the SC2 guys will start playing dirty and throw "bw is dead" chants at anyone who tries to bait some Kespa vs Esf troll war. I'm surprised people haven't resorted to this yet. SC2 defenders are nice. Because no matter who is better, Kespa or Esf, SC2 won and BW is dead (sadly).
The day people start doing this, is the day I stop visiting these threads and contributing to this part of the forums. The LR's have always been really enjoyable for me because it creates that bar-craft like atmosphere and you mostly know all the people who hang out here. If that community feeling would be ruined by these arguments it would be really sad.
It's going to happen some day
I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
I do mostly PL LRs because that's when I am available, so I don't actually get to see a lot of this crap in my threads, but I can see how it can be annoying for the OP. Go through all this trouble of maintaining the LR threads only to have trolls and idiots (on either side) fighting in it.
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft
This thread sure looks like Politics. eSF side is Democrat playing soft nicer Politics, and KeSPA baiters are Republicans playing hard unreasonable politics.
What it looks like to me is some people posting for the sole reason of pissing others off, and some other people reacting or " taking the bait " because it pisses them off that people post garbage like that. It has nothing to do with a back and forth.
When you get to the actual core of the issue, very few people will argue that Kespa isn't currently doing better. I have seen literally 0 posts claiming that eSF is doing better than Kespa currently. People just don't need to be reminded of it(in a rude way) every single day, after a while it starts to get extremely annoying.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
I'm not going to bother responding to a week old post, but he's got his head in the clouds that's for sure.
I just love the bias of it all. Like the BW fans were personally attacked throughout sc2's inception despite their generous and warm hearts and under such persecution they decided that when it came time they would be able to get their just revenge.
I never saw an article shitting on sc2 play analogising ivory factories, or threads dedicated to the superiority of the prequel, or posters actually calling Day9 scum for commentating on sc2.
Also the Korean/Foreigner is the same as Kespa/eSF imo, which is also unnecessary. I will stop here before someone else like Scarecrow comes and tells me that I am the reason of all debates in the LR thr
On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote: I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have
On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote: I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote: I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have
If you guys would stop doing lrs I would litersly cry stay strong and ignore the trolls
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
better to have zero people in the first place ;D
True indeed but as long as opinions and rivalry exists there will always be that one person.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
we need thicker skin bro
chitinous plating
rather shield upgrade
your icon is terran, so probably... building armor?
Finding Kespa players better is not the problem (because it's pretty much a fact indeed at this point). Shitting disrespectfully on the players we all followed and loved for 3 years is :/ That's like if we were making jokes on Bisu for not being sent out in Proleague anymore, WAIT WE ARE LOLOLLOLL. + Show Spoiler +
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
This makes sense. And trolling when your supporting side is winning is just like dropping mules or building nexus in middle of map. BM for sure, but opponents can also rub it in when they are winning, all good sports stuff as long as no personal attacks.
On May 29 2013 21:53 ZenithM wrote: Finding Kespa players better is not the problem (because it's pretty much a fact indeed at this point). Shitting disrespectfully on the players we all followed and loved for 3 years is :/ That's like if we were making jokes on Bisu for not being sent out in Proleague anymore, WAIT WE ARE LOLOLLOLL. + Show Spoiler +
Bisu :'(
Hey hey hey they are allowing him to lose next round y'know
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
On May 29 2013 21:53 ZenithM wrote: Finding Kespa players better is not the problem (because it's pretty much a fact indeed at this point). Shitting disrespectfully on the players we all followed and loved for 3 years is :/ That's like if we were making jokes on Bisu for not being sent out in Proleague anymore, WAIT WE ARE LOLOLLOLL. + Show Spoiler +
Bisu :'(
Even his fans are making fun of him on the stage during showmatches. T_T
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
But fighting for the winning side is no fun man. Look at my sig, now that's what's called manly supporting.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
But fighting for the winning side is no fun man. Look at my sig, now that's what's called manly supporting.
He wants to fight for the side that fights for the living.
The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
resorting to personal attacks, i like it
very snide and unbecoming
How is that a personal attack? I'm not sure if you've followed any other sports but ripping on other teams and their fans is inoffensive/standard. I just got called elitist/obnoxious and have managed to keep my panties twist-free. You really do need thicker skin.
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Also I can't even be bothered to reply to how wrong Scarecrow is. Can someone tell him for me that he's wrong? That would be great.
Please use the words "obnoxious" and "elitist" if you want to make it a little dirty. If not, just use facts.
EDIT: Thanks opterown. <3
Going on your sig I'm not surprised you're losing interest in GSL. I can see how you find it obnoxious to come to the realisation that many of your favourite teams/players just aren't that good relative to these Kespa's you've never followed before. Elitist and Kespa pretty much go hand in hand. They're the elite these days, got 14 or 15/22 Code S spots to prove it, and will only get more dominant. I'd also love to see these 'facts' showing what I said is wrong (though I guess you're at least as biased as I am), in terms of results Kespa players are doing significantly better than their ESF counterparts.
true colours, you're a great example of an elitist BW fan
I can see how it'd strike the nerve of a Prime fanboy. It's nice getting proved right almost every time I pick FPL players or look at an LR thread.
But fighting for the winning side is no fun man. Look at my sig, now that's what's called manly supporting.
He wants to fight for the side that fights for the living.
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
I see no logical reason why sc2 being mechanically easier than BW would make old veterans worse and younger players better. If It's less mechanically demanding then you would expect the veterans who have been playing for the longest to be the best at playing smart. It's simply a shift in generations and it would have happened had BW not died.
Well this thread was a gem. 10/10 would read again
In all seriousness though. It's easy to see KeSPA players rise because they are on KeSPA teams. However there are eSF players on the rise as well, I.E: Hurricane / Avenge who almost qualified for Code S themselves (still has a chance in ups and downs). But they are overshadowed by the KeSPA spammers and get very little attention sadly.
Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW.
How does that make sense? Skill ceiling is lower, so completely different players dominate the game like crazy? :D Judging by how monstrously Innovation dominate his non-mirrors, I would argue that the skill-ceiling is doing just fine.
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
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What is Bogus doing right now? I'm no kespa elitist but all the talk is about Innovation thesedays, where did Bogus go?
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
To be honest it's exactly how I feel about the KeSPA chant which in reality are BW chant during the BW scene KeSPA was the ennemy. We were all bashing the association because they were so unfair to the players we liked but now we are all under their banner, not because we love KeSPA but because we loved BW if I'm 100% selfish I just regret our beloved BW scene so much... but of course SC2 is global and it's much better for ESPORTS
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
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What is Bogus doing right now? I'm no kespa elitist but all the talk is about Innovation thesedays, where did Bogus go?
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Best would be to have them play each other. Do we have any record of some good old Bogus vs Innovation BW TvT?
Bogus was micro oriented so he played Protoss in BW
Oh sorry my bad
Worst is, Innovation can probably play against himself, right innovative hand vs left bogus hand. That's how mechanically glorious he is. Not talking about Bogus though, obviously.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS. And Innovation still struggles in TvT just like Bogus did.
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Best would be to have them play each other. Do we have any record of some good old Bogus vs Innovation BW TvT?
Bogus was micro oriented so he played Protoss in BW
Oh sorry my bad
Worst is, Innovation can probably play against himself, right innovative hand vs left bogus hand. That's how mechanically glorious he is. Not talking about Bogus though, obviously.
Also I dont like TvT I prefer PvP, thats why I recommend you Zest vs Wooki :D
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Best would be to have them play each other. Do we have any record of some good old Bogus vs Innovation BW TvT?
Bogus was micro oriented so he played Protoss in BW
Oh sorry my bad
Worst is, Innovation can probably play against himself, right innovative hand vs left bogus hand. That's how mechanically glorious he is. Not talking about Bogus though, obviously.
Also I dont like TvT I prefer PvP, thats why I recommend you Zest vs Wooki :D
Do you guys remember how Major used to hype Bogus? Yeah, and then he suddenly disappeared. Now we got this Innovation guy winning everything. Anyone knows what happened to Bogus? Would be sad if he'd retired.
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
On May 29 2013 22:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Do you guys remember how Major used to hype Bogus? Yeah, and then he suddenly disappeared. Now we got this Innovation guy winning everything. Anyone knows what happened to Bogus? Would be sad if he'd retired.
Does that make me a bad human being if I laughed at this comment? Poor Bogus
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
Didn't you hear? Innovation is god therefore he is resurrected Flash
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
Didn't you hear? Innovation is god therefore he is resurrected Flash
But Flash still lives. Also, isn't God immortal? Why should he be ressurected?
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
Didn't you hear? Innovation is god therefore he is resurrected Flash
Then, is the Flash guy we have now... BOGUS IN DISGUISE?
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
Didn't you hear? Innovation is god therefore he is resurrected Flash
Then, is the Flash guy we have now... BOGUS IN DISGUISE?
Who turns out to be Innovation, man this is like Tim Burton movie where Depp is in the role of Tim Burton, but actually it is not him but Helena B. Carter. The Twists!!
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
Didn't you hear? Innovation is god therefore he is resurrected Flash
Then, is the Flash guy we have now... BOGUS IN DISGUISE?
Who turns out to be Innovation, man this is like Tim Burton movie where Depp is in the role of Tim Burton, but actually it is not him but Helena B. Carter. The Twists!!
No! thats not possible! The Holy bible stated that Innovation and Bogus are two guys. What are we, mere mortals, that we question such knowledge?
On May 29 2013 22:10 eGoRama wrote: I think that Bogus is more micro oriented player than Innovation, but I am not sure. Anyone who can confirm that?
Bogus also played micro and multitasking style just like Innovation plays. That's why Bogus's best matchup is also TvZ just like Innovation. TvZ in BW is very similar to TvZ in SC2, especially HotS, so Innovation can easily transfer Bogus's skills in BW to HotS.
I'm confused by this. How does one transfer some other player's skills? Best you can do is try to mimic :/
He ate him. Like Kirby... SUCK IN!! PRESS DOWN! Kaboom Baby!
And thus Innovation came into existence.
It can be said that Innovation is the Bogus of our time.
Didn't you hear? Innovation is god therefore he is resurrected Flash
Then, is the Flash guy we have now... BOGUS IN DISGUISE?
Flash is a cyborg from the future, sent to destroy Innovation before he brings about the apocalypse
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
Tony Parker is pretty good this year, he plays like Innovation right now, all over the place with the multitasking and the drop shots. Both in Finals, hope they both win.
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
You mean sOs and sHy?
Oh, I was wondering why sOs didn't get any credit.
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
On May 29 2013 22:18 opterown wrote: poor guy, he probably meant to type something like "rain, bogus and shy" but ended up with innovation instead and we're just jumping him for it
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
You mean sOs and sHy?
Oh, I was wondering why sOs didn't get any credit.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
You mean sOs and sHy?
Oh, I was wondering why sOs didn't get any credit.
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
I hear you :/ Innovation was doing even worse in BW than the guys you mention anyway. Some say that's why he switched to SC2 very early on, under the nickname PartinG (and kept playing Protoss, obviously), then came back on Kespa's side as the Ro8-material beast that he is now. God Innovation is so good...
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
You mean sOs and sHy?
Oh, I was wondering why sOs didn't get any credit.
On May 29 2013 22:04 opterown wrote: for someone who professes to follow the BW scene i'm surprised you think bogus and innovation are different players
that was a brain fart/typo. I meant to say bogus and shy
You mean sOs and sHy?
Oh, I was wondering why sOs didn't get any credit.
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
There will always be shit posters, hit the report button and move on. Engaging with them is what makes the mess.
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment
aw crap mkp is playing tomorrow
;;
Bunny > Mkp
dw MKP is clearly the superior player because he was on a kespa team before bunny was
On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote: this thread has been won. let's all drink
Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief.
I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111
This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression
You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment
aw crap mkp is playing tomorrow
;;
Bunny > Mkp
dw MKP is clearly the superior player because he was on a kespa team before bunny was
Only way Mkp > Bunny is if he changes his name to something cuter, like AdorablePuppyKingPrime
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote: ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now. there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that)
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote: [quote]
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Haha, this argument could go on and on, just as any argument on the internet can, but I'd rather stop wasting both our time.
In closing, I'd like to point something out.
-this argument is stupid and going nowhere, essentially polluting the LR thread, which is why I'd like to stop -you initially criticized me for responding to ESF baiters and contributing to LR thread pollution
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote: [quote]
So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games?
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote: [quote] For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote: [quote]
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Gimme fuel, gimme fire - obviously Metallica
Metallica haven't been half decent since SC Vanilla
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote: [quote] For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote: [quote]
The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Haha, this argument could go on and on, just as any argument on the internet can, but I'd rather stop wasting both our time.
In closing, I'd like to point something out.
-this argument is stupid and going nowhere, essentially polluting the LR thread, which is why I'd like to stop -you initially criticized me for responding to ESF baiters and contributing to LR thread pollution
Hmm....
Which proves my statement correct - it wasn't an "argument" until you "responded" lol. When and where did I directly criticize you personally? I simply disagreed with a statement of yours.
On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote: I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have
Don't be so cocky
Other people know how to do this stuff too you know.
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
There will always be shit posters, hit the report button and move on. Engaging with them is what makes the mess.
Now, that is reasonable advice. Though it might backfire
On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote: I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have
Don't be so cocky
Other people know how to do this stuff too you know.
On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote: This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft
This thread sure looks like Politics. eSF side is Democrat playing soft nicer Politics, and KeSPA baiters are Republicans playing hard unreasonable politics. Popularity is on Democrat side, but Republicans are more relentless.
Surprised Savage managed to beat Yoda for 2nd, didnt think Savage was a good player. Crazy how there's actually a very good chance next season with only 1 LG-IM player in the WCS. Always used to seeing 5-6 of them in there.
On May 30 2013 01:14 LighT. wrote: Surprised Savage managed to beat Yoda for 2nd, didnt think Savage was a good player. Crazy how there's actually a very good chance next season with only 1 LG-IM player in the WCS. Always used to seeing 5-6 of them in there.
There are already 3 guaranteed Code S for next season, Squirtle, RagnaroK and LosirA, but yeah. Would be nice if not every single IM player fails in the Up and Downs (Or so this fanboy thinks!).
On May 30 2013 01:14 LighT. wrote: Surprised Savage managed to beat Yoda for 2nd, didnt think Savage was a good player. Crazy how there's actually a very good chance next season with only 1 LG-IM player in the WCS. Always used to seeing 5-6 of them in there.
There are already 3 guaranteed Code S for next season, Squirtle, RagnaroK and LosirA, but yeah. Would be nice if not every single IM player fails in the Up and Downs (Or so this fanboy thinks!).
oh my..thats a bad mistake on my part..but 3 LG-IM players...thats still a low number than I'm used to seeing haha.
On May 30 2013 01:42 letian wrote: Wow, Savage and Fanta showing skill or is it + Show Spoiler +
esf
players choking the way they should ?
well...there's still a small sample size to go off of...but the whole notion I've had for the longest while that mid-tier KeSPA team players are more likely to take out mid-tier eSF player instead of vice versa is gaining some steam. Hmm...but lets put things into perspective. Yes, there are Kespa players advancing left and right over the eSF guys apparently but what about the qualifiers in order to get to Code A in the first place?
Names: TY Jaehoon Free Light Zero Dear Stats Action Zest Stork Reality herO Hydra sKyhigh
A huge list of big-names of mid-tier KeSPA that has failed to make it to Code A where the eSF players have. The whole argument is moot, although I see nothing wrong with people cheering for one side than the other. They're entitled to an opinion after all.
On May 30 2013 01:42 letian wrote: Wow, Savage and Fanta showing skill or is it + Show Spoiler +
esf
players choking the way they should ?
Now opterown and holyarrow this is a perfect opportunity for you two to put the "it takes two people to argue" analogy into practice. Then lets see how many related posts follow suit.
On May 30 2013 01:42 letian wrote: Wow, Savage and Fanta showing skill or is it + Show Spoiler +
esf
players choking the way they should ?
Now opterown and holyarrow this is a perfect opportunity for you two to put the "it takes two people to argue" analogy into practice. Then lets see how many related posts follow suit.
I'm going to reply back and start an argument with you instead. :D
On May 30 2013 01:42 letian wrote: Wow, Savage and Fanta showing skill or is it + Show Spoiler +
esf
players choking the way they should ?
Now opterown and holyarrow this is a perfect opportunity for you two to put the "it takes two people to argue" analogy into practice. Then lets see how many related posts follow suit.
I'm going to reply back and start an argument with you instead. :D
And I won't reply back after this which means that there's no argument.
On May 30 2013 01:42 letian wrote: Wow, Savage and Fanta showing skill or is it + Show Spoiler +
esf
players choking the way they should ?
Now opterown and holyarrow this is a perfect opportunity for you two to put the "it takes two people to argue" analogy into practice. Then lets see how many related posts follow suit.
I'm going to reply back and start an argument with you instead. :D
And I won't reply back after this which means that there's no argument.
On May 30 2013 01:42 letian wrote: Wow, Savage and Fanta showing skill or is it + Show Spoiler +
esf
players choking the way they should ?
Now opterown and holyarrow this is a perfect opportunity for you two to put the "it takes two people to argue" analogy into practice. Then lets see how many related posts follow suit.
I'm going to reply back and start an argument with you instead. :D
And I won't reply back after this which means that there's no argument.
No that just means you're weak and he won.
Maybe you should look at my previous arguments Also, it's not like we're competing for an award here.
On May 30 2013 01:14 LighT. wrote: Surprised Savage managed to beat Yoda for 2nd, didnt think Savage was a good player. Crazy how there's actually a very good chance next season with only 1 LG-IM player in the WCS. Always used to seeing 5-6 of them in there.
Squirtle, Losira and Ragnarok are already qualified for the Starleague I'm pretty sure? Unless you mean Code A? Even then there's like 4 or 5 of them in there.
A bit disappointed about Yoda. Only caught his game against Fantasy, but he didn't quite look like his WoL self. I hope he gets his mojo back, he has really showed some promising play.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is.
I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it.
And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict.
You're still missing it.
The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between
a. Asshats doing shit posting
and
b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes
you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes.
On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote: [quote]
Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time
For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about.
You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses
In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything.
Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved.
What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue.
Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight.
I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong.
The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two.
Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Gimme fuel, gimme fire - obviously Metallica
Metallica haven't been half decent since SC Vanilla
metallica hasn't been decent since the NES came out
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
lol
please stop posting, you're an embarrassment to the TL BW community. at least the other people who do this made second accounts to do it on.
you cant say that on account of the whole tl bw community, you are one person. i am one person. and i think that he is a good member of the BW community, and i think opterowns contributions are quite lacking
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
I see no logical reason why sc2 being mechanically easier than BW would make old veterans worse and younger players better. If It's less mechanically demanding then you would expect the veterans who have been playing for the longest to be the best at playing smart. It's simply a shift in generations and it would have happened had BW not died.
thats if you assume mechanics degrade into the 21-22s, which could be a tough sell considering how well 60+year olds can play piano. im personally suspecting a big part could just be reaction times or something, but its strange to me how weve seen such a consistent decline with every player at that age in sc history. bogus, rain, soulkey or any newcomer wasnt making especially big inroads on the toppest guys while fantasy was peaking and playing magically and bisu still playing very well. fantasy or even really bisu sure wasnt anywher close to being surpassed by newcomers, and bogus claimed in a recent interview to not really have expected to ever reach this far in sc1
On May 29 2013 22:08 DrPandaPhD wrote: Well this thread was a gem. 10/10 would read again
In all seriousness though. It's easy to see KeSPA players rise because they are on KeSPA teams. However there are eSF players on the rise as well, I.E: Hurricane / Avenge who almost qualified for Code S themselves (still has a chance in ups and downs). But they are overshadowed by the KeSPA spammers and get very little attention sadly.
they rose because they were on kespa teams, they were always superior in raw gaming skill of all forms
Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW.
How does that make sense? Skill ceiling is lower, so completely different players dominate the game like crazy? :D Judging by how monstrously Innovation dominate his non-mirrors, I would argue that the skill-ceiling is doing just fine.
On May 29 2013 20:42 chisuri wrote: OK OK I shouldn't have typed the "worthless" word. Sigh I meant to say that those eSF players were inferior. And in fact they have been losing. But I guess you have to be semantic over one word to bash me and call me baiter or troll. About yesterday group, DRG is an established eSF. Fact. He lost his touch now, but he was one of the oldest and most decorated eSF. Ruin didn't do much, I admit. But right now, for eSF, being in the Up and Down is enough to be considered elite, or at least still performing. Who are above him in eSF? Did you count how many eSF were in code S before yesterday?
please keep going, you amuse me greatly
Contribute something instead of acting like a douchebag, can you? What is wrong in my post? Please elaborate. Or you just want to do name calling only?
lol
please stop posting, you're an embarrassment to the TL BW community. at least the other people who do this made second accounts to do it on.
you cant say that on account of the whole tl bw community, you are one person. i am one person. and i think that he is a good member of the BW community, and i think opterowns contributions are quite lacking
On May 29 2013 22:03 pylonsalad wrote: The core of the issue is that BW is dead and SC2 killed BW while being a worse game. I am a BW elitist but I watch SC2 now because BW is dead and there is nothing I can do about it because I would still rather watch Bisu and Stork struggle at a worse game rather than Sea and Shuttle stomp the same 6 b-teamers over and over again on Snipealot's stream. We follow our favourite players.
It's become obvious that Kespa players have taken over Code S and its for a very simple reason. Their coaching and practice develops better mechanics and better game sense. Its also obvious that Kespa players have taken over so quickly and completely because the skill ceiling is so low compared to BW. Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW. So yes, we are a bit bitter. That's why it is satisfying to see Kespa players beat up ESF players and that's why some of the more hooliganish BW fans love going "KESPAAAAAAA!!!". What they are really saying is "BROODWARRRR!!!!" Its revenge, not against ESF, but against SC2.
I see no logical reason why sc2 being mechanically easier than BW would make old veterans worse and younger players better. If It's less mechanically demanding then you would expect the veterans who have been playing for the longest to be the best at playing smart. It's simply a shift in generations and it would have happened had BW not died.
thats if you assume mechanics degrade into the 21-22s, which could be a tough sell considering how well 60+year olds can play piano. im personally suspecting a big part could just be reaction times or something, but its strange to me how weve seen such a consistent decline with every player at that age in sc history. bogus, rain, soulkey or any newcomer wasnt making especially big inroads on the toppest guys while fantasy was peaking and playing magically and bisu still playing very well. fantasy or even really bisu sure wasnt anywher close to being surpassed by newcomers, and bogus claimed in a recent interview to not really have expected to ever reach this far in sc1
On May 29 2013 22:08 DrPandaPhD wrote: Well this thread was a gem. 10/10 would read again
In all seriousness though. It's easy to see KeSPA players rise because they are on KeSPA teams. However there are eSF players on the rise as well, I.E: Hurricane / Avenge who almost qualified for Code S themselves (still has a chance in ups and downs). But they are overshadowed by the KeSPA spammers and get very little attention sadly.
they rose because they were on kespa teams, they were always superior in raw gaming skill of all forms
Yes, it is a different set of skills, but regardless, it is a lower skill ceiling. That is why younger players like Rain, Bogus, and Innovation have adapted better than the older pros. I don't think the old pros such as Stork, Jaedong, and even Fantasy will really be as good as they were in BW.
How does that make sense? Skill ceiling is lower, so completely different players dominate the game like crazy? :D Judging by how monstrously Innovation dominate his non-mirrors, I would argue that the skill-ceiling is doing just fine.
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GOMTV | ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/7/7f/Twitch_ico.png)
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Golden | 
Trust | 
YoDa | ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
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ST_Golden
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