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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
May 25 2013 17:44 GMT
#3501
I am definitely watching some vods of today's matches. But watching Champions League first!
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
May 25 2013 17:45 GMT
#3502
On May 26 2013 02:38 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:34 Salteador Neo wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:31 Zheryn wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:29 Bagi wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:27 mongoose22 wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:19 FeyFey wrote:
Hope Locust are at range 2 soon again xD. Well hoped that for Roaches as well hehe .

So is Stephano no Legend anymore ? or is he beyond Legendary, Seraph class now ?


The locust range isn't the issue IMO, it's their lifetime and speed. For every second the locust lives, it can advance 2.625 on creep. 25 seconds of lifetime means a locust can travel 65.625 on creep before dying. So you can burrow the swarm host way, way back and still have the locusts hit a target. Doing something like reducing or removing the Enduring Locusts upgrade would be a way more effective nerf; 10 seconds of life for the locust is equivalent to 26.25 of range lost for the swarm host on creep, as well as give the swarm host assault a cooldown hole.

Why would you ever build a single swarm host if this nerf took place?


People are just crying about Swarm Hosts cause most protoss players facing it on streamed matches play like shit.


So this is the new version of the old "Terran players are just better" xD

Stfu guys he got it solved!! SH are not the problem, all protoss just play like shit!!


Well, if you don't agree that building a full ground army vs swarm hosts and not commiting fully to an attack to just try to run the zerg over is playing like shit, then you are wrong. It's like me making only roaches against pure immortals and complaining about immortals.


Of course I don't agree lol. No tier 2 unit should force a race to go mass air or lose. That was a pretty easy one.

Also, mass roaches can win against immortals tbh. Surround and outnumber them because larva > robotics production.
Revolutionist fan
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 17:48:03
May 25 2013 17:47 GMT
#3503
On May 26 2013 02:36 Dodgin wrote:
You know, I'm not trying to give TLO shit after he lost in this manner, but he shouldn't have said " he wanted to play mvp ". It's either foolish to underestimate him with preparation time, or extremely cocky to want to challenge yourself in that manner in the ro8 when he could have faced someone else and had a better chance to advance to the season finals. Maybe he was just trying to act tough since the draw wouldn't change no matter what he tweeted though.

Haha, it's always nasty to have to eat your words. Some people are tongue in cheek when boasting, or kinda general in their confidence, but if you get so specific, saying Mvp is exactly who you want, saying everything is going according to your plan as you have planned to mindgame his preparation against your previous builds, and have no fear of hellbats - to then have Mvp beat you 3-0, using the same bulldoze strategy with hellbats, ouch, that's really painful. Noone would say anything if he had said he was "confident", but he ran his mouth, and it came back to bite him.
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3504
On May 26 2013 02:45 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:38 Zheryn wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:34 Salteador Neo wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:31 Zheryn wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:29 Bagi wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:27 mongoose22 wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:19 FeyFey wrote:
Hope Locust are at range 2 soon again xD. Well hoped that for Roaches as well hehe .

So is Stephano no Legend anymore ? or is he beyond Legendary, Seraph class now ?


The locust range isn't the issue IMO, it's their lifetime and speed. For every second the locust lives, it can advance 2.625 on creep. 25 seconds of lifetime means a locust can travel 65.625 on creep before dying. So you can burrow the swarm host way, way back and still have the locusts hit a target. Doing something like reducing or removing the Enduring Locusts upgrade would be a way more effective nerf; 10 seconds of life for the locust is equivalent to 26.25 of range lost for the swarm host on creep, as well as give the swarm host assault a cooldown hole.

Why would you ever build a single swarm host if this nerf took place?


People are just crying about Swarm Hosts cause most protoss players facing it on streamed matches play like shit.


So this is the new version of the old "Terran players are just better" xD

Stfu guys he got it solved!! SH are not the problem, all protoss just play like shit!!


Well, if you don't agree that building a full ground army vs swarm hosts and not commiting fully to an attack to just try to run the zerg over is playing like shit, then you are wrong. It's like me making only roaches against pure immortals and complaining about immortals.


Of course I don't agree lol. No tier 2 unit should force a race to go mass air or lose. That was a pretty easy one.

Also, mass roaches can win against immortals tbh. Surround and outnumber them because larva > robotics production.


LOL. if your massing this "tier 2 unit" then your literally investing so much money into it, you might as well be going ultras. of COURSE it should trigger a massive reaction from your opponent. it would be stupid if it didn't.
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CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3505
This is mindblowingly good.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3506
WhiteRa has enough money for the "special stuff" tomorrow :D.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3507
I'm not too confident in ForGG's TvZ and I really like Mvp in an offline bo5+ so I think there's a pretty good chance of EU getting that Mvp vs Stephano finals. Would be fucking epic for viewer count
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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3508
hahha. whos made the most noise?? *silence*
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3509
I love the MEEEEEEEEEEEEE guy
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3510
That MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-Guy
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#3511
LOL! This is bloody funny
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
May 25 2013 17:49 GMT
#3512
hahahahahahahahah! so funny
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 17:50:49
May 25 2013 17:49 GMT
#3513
On May 26 2013 02:43 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:36 Dodgin wrote:
You know, I'm not trying to give TLO shit after he lost in this manner, but he shouldn't have said " he wanted to play mvp ". It's either foolish to underestimate him with preparation time, or extremely cocky to want to challenge yourself in that manner in the ro8 when he could have faced someone else and had a better chance to advance to the season finals. Maybe he was just trying to act tough since the draw wouldn't change no matter what he tweeted though.


If you don't believe you can beat anyone you got no business as a pro gamer. I liked TLO attitude


I agree, but he said " woo I wanted Mvp " or something along those lines, not that he was confident he could win, just seems foolish to me.


Well MVP is the greatest sc2 player ever. So if TLO wanted to win WCS EU he had to beat him! I don't think TLO was arrogant I just think he was very confident and in a good mental state.

I just hope this "spanking" wont shake him to much
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 25 2013 17:49 GMT
#3514
Never hold a player to what he says pre-game. That's just fighting words. Post-game is what matters.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
May 25 2013 17:49 GMT
#3515
seriously, all ESL production is awesome
really love this extra show
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 25 2013 17:50 GMT
#3516
On May 26 2013 02:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I'm not too confident in ForGG's TvZ and I really like Mvp in an offline bo5+ so I think there's a pretty good chance of EU getting that Mvp vs Stephano finals. Would be fucking epic for viewer count


Its going to happen I'm like 95% sure about it!
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 25 2013 17:50 GMT
#3517
On May 26 2013 02:39 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:37 Tiaraju9 wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:32 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:31 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The korean zergs also are adopting this ZvP late game style? If yes, Blizzard have to do something to end it. I can't imagine nothing more boring and cheap.


It will come. There has always been some swarmhost pushes to deny toss 3rd in GSL

Stephano is like cryptonite to the Protos race



Conceptually speaking, SW was designed as a supportive and situational unit, right? Now it having been used as the main force against Protoss late game.

Hellbats were designed to help Terran go mech vs Toss. They are now being used to bully Zerg senseless.

Units never really turn out exactly how the developers wanted.


Locust got changed before the open beta into a unit that works alone. So the Idea of it being supportive got scrapped long ago. Now it is a siege unit that benefits from creep spread and needs detection to deal with. (and since observers don't work because of the small detection range oracles got a range of 15 detection)

Hellbats also got changed in the beta into a unit that works well together with Medivacs (well they made them Bio so Archons smash them, since the old Hellbats were to good in TvP) and mass Medivacs are wasted supply for Mech if they are supposed to heal a unit that has to stand in the front line and will die the first.

So Blizzard was well aware what would happen. (aka they gave up on Mech in the Beta and transitioned the new units into a Bio support)
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
May 25 2013 17:50 GMT
#3518
They have such a great team for WCS EU.

love it every time.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 25 2013 17:50 GMT
#3519
Poll: Who will get 5th place and the Season Finals seed?

Lucifron (29)
 
81%

TLO (4)
 
11%

Happy (2)
 
6%

Babyknight (1)
 
3%

36 total votes

Your vote: Who will get 5th place and the Season Finals seed?

(Vote): TLO
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): Babyknight



I believe they're playing these tomorrow too
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
May 25 2013 17:51 GMT
#3520
MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
"Right on" - Morrow
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