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On May 16 2013 04:41 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Actually TLO did an offensive handshake vs Forgg yesterday, too. I think that especially in Sc2 it`s not really important who is the initiator of the handshake. It`s just a gesture of sportsmanship and it cannot be compared to offensive ggs or manner-hatches.
''Offensive handshake''. XD That's a hilarious way to put it. 
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On May 16 2013 04:32 Mangooze wrote:
Maybe my memory is messing with me, but don't winning players in GSL and Dreamhack often go to losers booth to shake hands? Maybe I am wrong though.
You are right, and everyone knows. It's just the naniwa fanboys trying to excuse his horrific behavior.
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I'm sure Vortix would've opened his own fanclub, but none is posting in that one. :-(
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On May 16 2013 04:43 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:42 Killmouse wrote:
Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2 7m
dat #WCS bar girl
haha apollo That's it, we need pictures here or stop talking about her D;
How funny would it be if she's the social media guy's girlfriend and they start making out on camera?
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On May 16 2013 04:43 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:42 Killmouse wrote:
Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2 7m
dat #WCS bar girl
haha apollo That's it, we need pictures here or stop talking about her D;
ye someone have a picture? a name? something?:D
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:43 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On May 16 2013 04:42 Killmouse wrote:
Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2 7m
dat #WCS bar girl
haha apollo That's it, we need pictures here or stop talking about her D; She was a rather hot nerdy-looking blond.
That's enough to draw some stick man, thanks!
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:34 Redox wrote:On May 16 2013 04:33 Crushinator wrote:On May 16 2013 04:32 Sc2Null wrote:
love how this thread has turned into "is handshaking bm?"...isn't live report threads suppose to focus on the games not the players Oh come on now you have over 3k posts, you aren't new here. So TL is not better than Reddit after all eh? Yes, imagine discussing something that happens and is thus relevant at the event that the live thread is covering? >_>
Well, some of us are still praising the ESL bartender girl.
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On May 16 2013 04:43 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:37 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 16 2013 04:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
In defence of Naruto, I am pretty sure from my terrible sporting career and much watching that the expectation is of the loser offering their hand, rather than the winner.
Think of it as in playing ladder I guess, the loser is the one who ggs out, when the obvious winner does it it can smack of gloating (although I don't think that was the case in this instance) That's not true at all. In tennis, basketball, fencing, debating, etc. I've always had both sides approach each other. We have several examples from the SC2 scene like Mvp going to console MKP. Just think about MLG games, the winner often went to the loser's booth to thank him for the games. It's supposed to be mutual. It's nothing like an offensive gg as the game is already finalized. And we have seen pro players give other pro player space. I cannot remember who the opponent was, but someone wanted to shake hands with HerO but saw he was devastated by the loss, I think crying. So he left the booth again. You know Naniwa is rage / on tilt after that. Just give him his space. If he wants to shake hands, he'll do, otherwise just move on? Naniwa didn't look anything like HerO. Sure, had Naniwa been crying or throwing a Hulk tantrum, yeah, Vortix should go there. But Naniwa looked perfectly normal. You cannot know what the other person is thinking inside, so it's still the right thing to do to thank them for the games in the traditional sportsmanlike way. And I still haven't seen you apologize for calling Vortix BM, i.e., player bashing. I don't need to apologize for my opinion and I have never insulted anyone. I calmly said, that I find it just as bad mannered as refusing the handshake to initiate it as the winner. As do MorroW, ToD etc.. it seems. Should they apologize as well?
Yes, and yes, you do need to apologize for your opinion if your publicly expressed opinion hurts another person, in this case the reputation of Vortix.
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:41 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Actually TLO did an offensive handshake vs Forgg yesterday, too. I think that especially in Sc2 it`s not really important who is the initiator of the handshake. It`s just a gesture of sportsmanship and it cannot be compared to offensive ggs or manner-hatches. ''Offensive handshake''. XD That's a hilarious way to put it.
Nerds crushing hands with them offensive handshakes man ;P
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Mouzone wrote:People called Redeye awkward when he was being entertaining yesterday. This community has some weird preferences.
Redeye is by far the best host i've ever seen, i thought so from the first time i saw him but i didn't know his name until this show. Not that other host's are bad, Redeye is just great.
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Mouzone wrote:People called Redeye awkward when he was being entertaining yesterday. This community has some weird preferences.
Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks, I guess.
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On May 16 2013 04:45 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:44 Cokefreak wrote:On May 16 2013 04:43 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On May 16 2013 04:42 Killmouse wrote:
Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2 7m
dat #WCS bar girl
haha apollo That's it, we need pictures here or stop talking about her D; She was a rather hot nerdy-looking blond. That's enough to draw some stick man, thanks!
She also did cute faces at the camera, I'm pretty sure this will send you bursting.
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On May 16 2013 04:33 SourceOdin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:30 Pwnzer wrote:On May 16 2013 04:27 SourceOdin wrote:On May 16 2013 04:25 Fiasko wrote:On May 16 2013 04:24 SourceOdin wrote:
Are people really giving Nani shit for not shaking his hand? Vortix should've waited for Nani to offer a handshake or not go for one at all. What? why? I don't think it's proper for the winner to approach the loser for a handshake. For some people, it can easily be seen as rubbing it in. It's like a preemptive gg in a sense. Maybe that's the way you see it, but I completely disagree with that. It's just another manner way of saying "gg thanks for the competition". It has nothing to do with being bm to OFFER SOMEONE A HANDSHAKE. Treating it as a "gg" like you just did, it can most definitely be compared to an offensive gg. The losing player will typically gg out first, and if the winning player offensively ggs, it's seen as BM. Here, it's much the same, with Vortix offering the handshake. Do you see the analogy I'm trying to draw here?
Yes, but I think it's incorrect.
An offensive gg is the "winner" declaring himself such before the game is over. The guy losing, if indeed he is, by not gg'ing, usually thinks he still has a shot. The reason it's BM to offensive gg is because it's essentially pooping on the opponent's hope and poking fun at his perseverance. You don't see any football coaches (either sport), or players either, in a halftime interview say that they wish the other team would just not show up for the second half because it's already over.
In this case, the game was already over and a handshake is going to happen. It's actually the more humble player to extend his hand first, because it can be denied, as such was the case here. It's a similar premise when, in a disagreement, the first person to apologize is the one extending the hand, being more humble.
It's much less to accept a handshake, or accept an apology, because you have nothing to lose. Offering it first, however, lowers your defenses for a slap in the face, as little as it may be.
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On May 16 2013 04:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  BabyKnight spawns in the bottom right  VortiX spawns in the top left
1:40
gateway first for Babyknight
2:00
gas for Babyknight
pool first for VortiX
hatch for Vortix
cybernetics core for Babyknight
zealot for Babyknight
3:00
2nd gas for Babyknight
gas for Vortix
2nd zealot for Babyknight
mothership core for Babyknight
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Nexus for Babyknight
lings scout the natural nexus and the main of Babyknight
the 2 scouting lings pick off a probe
2 zelots and mothership core pressuring the natural of Vortix
timewarp on the queen
queen killed
2nd queen pops out
queen comes down from the main
drones surround the zealots
5:00
mothership core is killed off
zealots are cleaned up but 4 drones died
mothership core rebuilding for Babyknight
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On May 16 2013 04:45 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:43 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 16 2013 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:37 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 16 2013 04:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
In defence of Naruto, I am pretty sure from my terrible sporting career and much watching that the expectation is of the loser offering their hand, rather than the winner.
Think of it as in playing ladder I guess, the loser is the one who ggs out, when the obvious winner does it it can smack of gloating (although I don't think that was the case in this instance) That's not true at all. In tennis, basketball, fencing, debating, etc. I've always had both sides approach each other. We have several examples from the SC2 scene like Mvp going to console MKP. Just think about MLG games, the winner often went to the loser's booth to thank him for the games. It's supposed to be mutual. It's nothing like an offensive gg as the game is already finalized. And we have seen pro players give other pro player space. I cannot remember who the opponent was, but someone wanted to shake hands with HerO but saw he was devastated by the loss, I think crying. So he left the booth again. You know Naniwa is rage / on tilt after that. Just give him his space. If he wants to shake hands, he'll do, otherwise just move on? Naniwa didn't look anything like HerO. Sure, had Naniwa been crying or throwing a Hulk tantrum, yeah, Vortix should go there. But Naniwa looked perfectly normal. You cannot know what the other person is thinking inside, so it's still the right thing to do to thank them for the games in the traditional sportsmanlike way. And I still haven't seen you apologize for calling Vortix BM, i.e., player bashing. I don't need to apologize for my opinion and I have never insulted anyone. I calmly said, that I find it just as bad mannered as refusing the handshake to initiate it as the winner. As do MorroW, ToD etc.. it seems. Should they apologize as well? Yes, and yes, you do need to apologize for your opinion if your publicly expressed opinion hurts another person, in this case the reputation of Vortix.
My opinion does not hurt anyone and you are being stupid here. If I say Perez drives dangerously in the formula 1, it doesn't hurt him nor do I need to apologize for it. Get over it.
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losing the mothershipcore was pretty unnecessary still a good start for BK
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On May 16 2013 04:43 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:37 .maLice. wrote:On May 16 2013 04:32 Sc2Null wrote:On May 16 2013 04:31 .maLice. wrote:On May 16 2013 04:30 Doublemint wrote:On May 16 2013 04:28 s3rp wrote:On May 16 2013 04:25 .maLice. wrote:On May 16 2013 04:23 Type|NarutO wrote:
I don't think the winner should approach the loser with the handshake, especially if its against Naniwa. I think it was actually not more bad mannered of Naniwa to not accept it compared to VortiX even going over. Not bashing VortiX here, just disagree with some people here. At least over here in the states, when we're playing sports we act like men, and win or lose--we shake hands with our opponent.. It's still better if the loser is the one extended the handshake. If you do it as a winner it can be seen as an offensive GG if that makes any sense. I mean imagine you just lost and are really pissed and want to cool off for a moment and your opponent runs over to you with a big grin does that seem friendly ? For me it wouldn't seem like that. this. also "we in the states act like men" - lost me after that to be honest. Good for you, buddy. I have to agree...You can't say "we in the states act like men" then expect people to take anything you say after that seriously. Dude, how many times to I have to tell you people that it's just my opinion. I think that it's childish to get all upset and ill mannered toward your opponent after a game. I feel that accepting your loss and shaking your opponents hand is the thing to do as an adult (read:man). Every single sporting team I've ever been on (soccer, basketball, baseball) we shake hands. I can only talk from experience and therefore I said 'over here in the states'. I've never been to Europe so you cannot reasonably expect me to know every little customary detail.. I watch ALOT of US sports i've seen quite a few examples of hotheads that need to calm down and be left alot for a while a devastating losses . Some people take losses harder than others you should know and respect that. Is it a bit immature ? Maybe but you should know who you should approach and who you shouldn't after a loss.
Sure, I agree with your last part to an extent, however, I was making a generalization of my experiences in sports. Whether you wanted to or not everyone shook hands at the end of the game. I think one of the big differences perhaps is that im speaking more about smaller sports leagues that anyone can play on, not necessarily pro sports.
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Mouzone wrote:People called Redeye awkward when he was being entertaining yesterday. This community has some weird preferences.
Yea imagine someone having fun or being entertaining, thats the weirdest thing you can do. Redeye was great yesterday I agree with you on that 
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On May 16 2013 04:46 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:45 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:43 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 16 2013 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:37 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 16 2013 04:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 04:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
In defence of Naruto, I am pretty sure from my terrible sporting career and much watching that the expectation is of the loser offering their hand, rather than the winner.
Think of it as in playing ladder I guess, the loser is the one who ggs out, when the obvious winner does it it can smack of gloating (although I don't think that was the case in this instance) That's not true at all. In tennis, basketball, fencing, debating, etc. I've always had both sides approach each other. We have several examples from the SC2 scene like Mvp going to console MKP. Just think about MLG games, the winner often went to the loser's booth to thank him for the games. It's supposed to be mutual. It's nothing like an offensive gg as the game is already finalized. And we have seen pro players give other pro player space. I cannot remember who the opponent was, but someone wanted to shake hands with HerO but saw he was devastated by the loss, I think crying. So he left the booth again. You know Naniwa is rage / on tilt after that. Just give him his space. If he wants to shake hands, he'll do, otherwise just move on? Naniwa didn't look anything like HerO. Sure, had Naniwa been crying or throwing a Hulk tantrum, yeah, Vortix should go there. But Naniwa looked perfectly normal. You cannot know what the other person is thinking inside, so it's still the right thing to do to thank them for the games in the traditional sportsmanlike way. And I still haven't seen you apologize for calling Vortix BM, i.e., player bashing. I don't need to apologize for my opinion and I have never insulted anyone. I calmly said, that I find it just as bad mannered as refusing the handshake to initiate it as the winner. As do MorroW, ToD etc.. it seems. Should they apologize as well? Yes, and yes, you do need to apologize for your opinion if your publicly expressed opinion hurts another person, in this case the reputation of Vortix. My opinion does not hurt anyone and you are being stupid here. If I say Perez drives dangerously in the formula 1, it doesn't hurt him nor do I need to apologize for it. Get over it.
Dude you not thinking like me totally hurts my feelings because my skin is as thick as an eggshell. Stop not agreeing with me plz.
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On May 16 2013 04:44 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:41 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Actually TLO did an offensive handshake vs Forgg yesterday, too. I think that especially in Sc2 it`s not really important who is the initiator of the handshake. It`s just a gesture of sportsmanship and it cannot be compared to offensive ggs or manner-hatches. ''Offensive handshake''. XD That's a hilarious way to put it.
I'm laughing so much right now, ahahahaha
The next thing will probably be the offensive smile
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