I kind of love the free units, but atm you kind of get the feeling players are not entirely sure how to deal with all this, it will be good when figured out I hope.

Damn I like zerg this expansion, I love playing versus them as protoss, so dangerous and fun. In WoL I didnt play protoss at all cause I felt so gay.

Blaec

Australia4289 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#843

Did the broodlings fly home then?

Salteador Neo

Andorra5591 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#844

No shit Effort is being cost effective. He only has free units and energy lol

Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo

Germany2959 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#845

On May 15 2013 19:38 s3rp wrote:

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Every game that involved building massive amounts of stationary defense and sitting behind it is boring...

Dunno but it has this TvT like positioning aspect to it and is actually much more aggressive due to free units and insane range units. So if well played aggression often does lead to an advantage (I'd say).

Also it isn't all figured out yet and it's kinda interesting to see how people approach this. Also controlling huge unit groups like these, that require good splitting etc. and certainly aren't 1A, is rather hard and thus fun to watch at times.

And not that much time has passed. The ZvP lategame in WoL was stagnant for over years :/

Olli

Austria24422 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#846

On May 15 2013 19:40 ThePowerHour wrote:
Trap is playing the most beautiful late game I've seen from a Protoss yet.

You've never seen HerO play WoL lategame PvZ have you.

Exarl25

1887 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#847

Come on it's GG...

Fenneth

Australia354 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#848

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Trap vs Effort Game 1 - Akilon Wastes

0:00-5:00

Trap with 9 pylon at front, probe scouts
Effort 14pools

Trap pylon blocks, Effort places his expansion hatch at his 3rd base
Trap with standard FFE, no corners cut

Effort places third hatch at his natural, kills scout probe
Trap makes a zealot

5:00-10:00

Trap makes a quick stargate
Effort adds two gas

Trap adds both natural gases
An overlord scouts the stargate just as it finishes warping in

+1 weapons starts for Trap
Trap manages to sneak a probe out undetected

Effort adds 6 spores, ling speed, lair
Trap adds 3 gates, then a robo

Effort begins roach production and roach speed, begins first evo chamber
Trap doing good work with his phoenixes despite the spores

Effort starts a spire
Trap starts a robotics bay and +1 armour

Effort pokes up the ramp and manages to get lings into Trap's base, scouts everything
Trap knocks down the rocks to take his 3rd base, adds a twilight council, then blink

Effort adds some corruptors, an infestation pit, then enduring locusts
Trap grabs a second stargate and warp prism speed, making immortals instead of colossi

Phoenixes continue to do pretty good damage, Trap begins double void ray production
Effort making mostly swarmhosts, takes a 4th base

Effort starts pathogen glands
Trap takes his 4th base, harasses a little with a warp prism (which Effort kills). He's hiding his voidrays

Effort starts making infestors
Trap starts colossus production, adds templar archives and begins storm

Effort starts hive, manages to pick off another warp prism
Trap shows his voidrays, Effort mistakenly flies his corruptors over Trap's army and loses 5-6

Trap making more colossi, he has a diverse army of stalkers, zealots, immortals, archons, templar, colossi, voidrays. He also takes a 5th
Effort starts +3 air attack, has swarmhost + corruptor + infestor

Trap starts a fleet beacon, dark shrine, charge; he's fully teched. Sacrifices stalkers to free up supply
Effort is behind on bases, contained to 4 bases while trap takes his 6th

Fight begins; several feedbacks kill infestors but some fungals hit
Trap must retreat, and suddenly gets caught in a bad position and loses a lot of colossus+voidray to corruptors

Effort starts greater spire
Both players harass each other but nothing of real consequence
Trap makes two oracles

Effort has 3/3 started for most of his units, Trap is a bit behind on upgrades

Trap continues to harass with warp prisms and does some damage
Effort is quite mineral poor and has no real bank

Locusts continue to pick at Trap's 6th base
Trap has added tempests and is making 4 at a time, continues harassing with DTs and roughly breaking even

Effort begins viper production, Trap makes a mothership

30:00-35:00

The game has slowed down, locusts continue to prod at Trap's base but nothing expensive dies
Neural parasite starts for Effort
Effort manages to pick off the mothership
Locusts and abducts are draining Trap's bank, Effort hasn't lost a unit that costs money for a long time
5 stargates started for Trap

35:00-40:00

A big skirmish begins, storms blanket the corruptors and Effort retreats; no major losses

Trap picks off Effort's 6th base with voidrays and recalls out

Effort kills the HTs with locusts and fungals

Effort has SO MANY corruptors O.o

Trap is running out of gas, and he's consistently being worn down by locusts

51 corruptors.

40:00-45:00

Trap is still harassing with warp prisms and zealots, doing some damage

Effort goes for it with a gigantic corruptor concave
Both sides lose a ton; Trap loses almost all of his voidrays and tempests
Trap abandons his 6th base and counterattacks; kills some SHs
TONS of feedbacks on infestors
Trap is out of gas, has a ton of archons which Effort is struggling to deal with
Both players down to 120 supply
Effort loses a ton of units and is not spending his bank for reasons unknown

45:00-50:00

Effort begins 11 broodlords and 9 swarmhosts
Both sides are out of bank and nearly out of economy, there is a basetrade of sorts where active mining bases are killed

Fungals and broodlords kill a large portion of Trap's army
It's broodlord infestor folks!

Trap doesn't have a lot of anti-air, 4 archons and a few stalkers
Trap manages to re-establish a mining base

Both sides are pretty much stone broke, Trap on 87 supply and Effort on 106
Trap manages to make a single tempest

Trap's mining base is killed again

50:00-55:00

Trap refuses to engage directly, runs around Effort's slow army and picks off creep tumors and ensures no bases are re-established

Both players are have no gas or gas income, a trickle of minerals only
Trap starts a nexus at the location of Effort's old 6th
Effort starts a hatchery at the location of Trap's old 6th

Trap spends his precious gas on an observer; not sure if he lost the old one?

Trap kills off static defense in the middle of the map, and recalls away to save a fungaled tempest
The other part of Trap's army gets fungaled, he loses a few gateway units but the archons survive
Trap's new observer is picked off and he cannot afford to replace it
Trap's 6th is destroyed
Trap kills off Effort's natural and recalls out when Effort returns to defend

zbedlam

Australia549 Posts

May 15 2013 10:41 GMT

#849

This is worse than WoL PvZ -.-

Blaec

Australia4289 Posts

May 15 2013 10:42 GMT

#850

yes, keep playing this game for days, just keep recalling.

McBengt

Sweden1684 Posts