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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/shiroiusagi/wcs/wcs_eu_lr.jpg) Tuesday, Apr 30 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Europe/Premier TL Preview: Premier League Ro32 Group C Preview
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png) Casters: Kaelaris & ToD ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/7/7f/Twitch_ico.png) WCS EuropeAdditional Language Stream
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/9/98/Nl.png)  Ret vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/2/2b/Ua.png)  StrelokStarting map: ESL Daybreak ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/f/fb/Ru.png)  TitaN vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/d/d0/Se.png) ThorZaINStarting map: ESL Akilon Wastes
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png) + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Ret vs. Strelok] +Poll: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 1?No (11) 42% Yes (8) 31% If you have time (7) 27% 26 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 2?Yes (14) 45% No (13) 42% If you have time (4) 13% 31 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 3?Yes (10) 53% If you have time (5) 26% No (4) 21% 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 1?No (49) 91% Yes (4) 7% If you have time (1) 2% 54 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 2?No (9) 43% Yes (8) 38% If you have time (4) 19% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 3?No (14) 67% Yes (4) 19% If you have time (3) 14% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?Yes (12) 46% No (8) 31% If you have time (6) 23% 26 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?Yes (15) 94% No (1) 6% If you have time (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?Yes (8) 80% No (1) 10% If you have time (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?No (10) 63% Yes (4) 25% If you have time (2) 13% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?Yes (3) 38% No (3) 38% If you have time (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?Yes (8) 73% If you have time (2) 18% No (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 1?Yes (11) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?Yes (5) 56% No (4) 44% If you have time (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?Yes (10) 67% No (4) 27% If you have time (1) 7% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Head?Ret & ThorZaIN (17) 28% Ret & Strelok (13) 21% Strelok & ThorZaIN (10) 16% ThorZaIN & TitaN (9) 15% Ret & TitaN (6) 10% Strelok & TitaN (6) 10% 61 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Ret & Strelok
(Vote): Ret & ThorZaIN
(Vote): Ret & TitaN
(Vote): Strelok & ThorZaIN
(Vote): Strelok & TitaN
(Vote): ThorZaIN & TitaN
Poll: Heart?Ret & ThorZaIN (16) 31% Ret & Strelok (14) 27% Strelok & TitaN (8) 16% ThorZaIN & TitaN (6) 12% Ret & TitaN (4) 8% Strelok & ThorZaIN (3) 6% 51 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): Ret & Strelok
(Vote): Ret & ThorZaIN
(Vote): Ret & TitaN
(Vote): Strelok & ThorZaIN
(Vote): Strelok & TitaN
(Vote): ThorZaIN & TitaN
Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Strelok 60.41% 32.45% 27.96% 21.08% 18.52%
TitaN 48.04% 24.03% 24.01% 25.32% 26.64%
ThorZaIN 46.71% 22.43% 24.27% 26.50% 26.79%
Ret 44.85% 21.08% 23.76% 27.10% 28.05%
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Thanks for making the thread!
That's one group that I could see going any way really, hard to guess
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Cheering for both terrans ^_^
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opterown
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Thanks opterown, you are making it easy with your LR resources thread. By the way, you should edit the LR calendar and a link to the tutorial by lichter into the LR resources OP, since it is sticky.
I really, really want to encourage others to make the LR threads for the next days. You might think the community doesn't need you, but it does. If you always wanted to do something for the community and don't know how, start here. Especially for everyone still in high school (Gymnasium) that has the time to follow the WCS anyway.
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Ret and Strelok I believe.
TitaN does not seem to have reached the level he was at during WoL, and the same goes for Thorzain after his DreamHack performance. Ret is one of the best Zergs in Europe at the moment, and Strelok seems to be on the up once again.
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Ret 0-2 Strelok
Titan 1-2 Thorzain (I have no idea about Titan's current status, so I'm gonna lowball him. A good Titan advances)
Strelok 1-2 Thorzain
Ret 2-1 Titan
Strelok 2-1 Ret
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United States97276 Posts
Thorzain and Strelok please because I like Terran the most and I'm selfish muahahahaha
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I think Strelok is favoured against Ret while I can't predict TitaN vs ThorZaIN at all. TitaN hasn't hit his stride yet, but neither has ThorZaIN. TitaN lost to Noname recently, but Thorzain managed to lose to Verdi. They both look relatively weak, so I think both Ret and Strelok will make it out.
Then again you can never count out Ret's unmatched ability to somehow lose games or ThorZaIN's clutchness, or TitaN's ability to surprise people with build orders they aren't prepared for.
I think Ret and Strelok are at least the strongest players in the group at the moment, but they're not likely to advance without taking a few scratches in the process.
I'd say the first two matches will tell us how the group will go as it will reveal the current shape of the players I'm not quite sure about yet.
Head predictions: Strelok/Ret
Heart predictions: Titan/Strelok
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On April 30 2013 23:29 StarVe wrote:
I think Strelok is favoured against Ret while I can't predict TitaN vs ThorZaIN at all. TitaN hasn't hit his stride yet, but neither has ThorZaIN. TitaN lost to Noname recently, but Thorzain managed to lose to Verdi. They both look relatively weak, so I think both Ret and Strelok will make it out.
Then again you can never count out Ret's unmatched ability to somehow lose games or ThorZaIN's clutchness, or TitaN's ability to surprise people with build orders they aren't prepared for.
I think Ret and Strelok are at least the strongest players in the group at the moment, but they're not likely to advance without taking a few scratches in the process.
I'd say the first two matches will tell us how the group will go as it will reveal the current shape of the players I'm not quite sure about yet.
In any case Ret has to beat Strelok or Thorzain to advance which will be pretty hard to do since I don't think his ZvT is good enough.
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On April 30 2013 23:51 Baum wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 23:29 StarVe wrote:
I think Strelok is favoured against Ret while I can't predict TitaN vs ThorZaIN at all. TitaN hasn't hit his stride yet, but neither has ThorZaIN. TitaN lost to Noname recently, but Thorzain managed to lose to Verdi. They both look relatively weak, so I think both Ret and Strelok will make it out.
Then again you can never count out Ret's unmatched ability to somehow lose games or ThorZaIN's clutchness, or TitaN's ability to surprise people with build orders they aren't prepared for.
I think Ret and Strelok are at least the strongest players in the group at the moment, but they're not likely to advance without taking a few scratches in the process.
I'd say the first two matches will tell us how the group will go as it will reveal the current shape of the players I'm not quite sure about yet. In any case Ret has to beat Strelok or Thorzain to advance which will be pretty hard to do since I don't think his ZvT is good enough.
Strelok looked pretty good with his mech style in the past weeks and I think he has a good shot at beating Ret, but Thorzain hasn't looked particularly impressive in TvZ for a very long time, I don't think it's less than 50:50 chances for Ret.
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Are the games live or casted from replays?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 01 2013 00:27 lisward wrote:
Are the games live or casted from replays?
all live
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Oh wow, a regional WCS event with all region-specific players!
Seriously though, this is gonna be awesome I can't wait to watch. It's so hard to pick a favorite in either of these matchups, and I really think TitaN has some serious unrealized potential.
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ThorZaIN & TitaN to advance !
I believe those two have the level in both my head and my heart.
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Ret and Thorzain advance. Even though Thorzain didn't have a great dreamhack, I think he will be ok since he knew his group before hand so he can prepare.
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Northern Ireland25342 Posts
I have not seen Titan play in an absolute age, interested to see how he's doing these days.
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This one should be close.
Last chance for Thorzain to show off his Korean training.
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We'll see how well Titan's afro has improved in HotS.
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Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Strelok 60.41% 32.45% 27.96% 21.08% 18.52%
TitaN 48.04% 24.03% 24.01% 25.32% 26.64%
ThorZaIN 46.71% 22.43% 24.27% 26.50% 26.79%
Ret 44.85% 21.08% 23.76% 27.10% 28.05%
And I thought Ret and ThorZain have best chances...
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I like that Redeye prediction haha.
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Is putting the stream up on TL really that hard? They failed at this last time too, I think.
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Hahaha that *Strelok description/extra info*
"Despite looking older, he is only 27 years old" :D :D
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Sound is fucked. Right speaker louder then the other.
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Love this production, getting better by the day.
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On May 01 2013 01:06 75 wrote:
Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Strelok 60.41% 32.45% 27.96% 21.08% 18.52%
TitaN 48.04% 24.03% 24.01% 25.32% 26.64%
ThorZaIN 46.71% 22.43% 24.27% 26.50% 26.79%
Ret 44.85% 21.08% 23.76% 27.10% 28.05%
And I thought Ret and ThorZain have best chances...
Titan 48% to finish first. Really ? He seems like the uber underdog to me.
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Strelok > Ret
Titan > Thorzain
Strelok > Titan
Thorzain > Ret
Thorzain > Titan
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Yea the sound thing is REALLY annoying pls fix  I'm forced to mute now...
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I'm rootin for Strelok hard.
Anyone know where I can find the video of him kissing the interviewer at IPL3? It was the best starcraft interview i've seen. Can't find it though.
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Its running already? why isn't the english stream on tl..
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On May 01 2013 01:08 Bermuda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:06 75 wrote:
Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Strelok 60.41% 32.45% 27.96% 21.08% 18.52%
TitaN 48.04% 24.03% 24.01% 25.32% 26.64%
ThorZaIN 46.71% 22.43% 24.27% 26.50% 26.79%
Ret 44.85% 21.08% 23.76% 27.10% 28.05%
And I thought Ret and ThorZain have best chances... Titan 48% to finish first. Really ? He seems like the uber underdog to me.
48% chance to finish top2. 24% to finish 1st.
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English stream does not show under "On air"
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EU WCS is using an improved observer UI, why not NA WCS too?
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On May 01 2013 01:11 AxiR wrote:
Its running already? why isn't the english stream on tl..
you are right it should be. BUT its not hard to find....
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Is it my phones, or is there a slight "wind"/"whistle" echo-kind-of noise (only in the left ear!) on the English stream? It's okay with me, I only ask, because I got very worried for the phones. Can't get the same effect with other audio so far.
edit: forgot to add it's only the left channel
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Strelok watched latest trailer of pacific rim.
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United States23455 Posts
Wow even aligulac calls this very even. I can't tune in but I'll be following this closely! Gogo Ret and Thorzain!
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Streloks drop could have done so much damage, he completely fucked it up :/
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On May 01 2013 01:16 figq wrote:
Is it my phones, or is there a slight "wind"/"wistle" echo-kind-of noise (only in the left ear!) on the English stream? It's okay with me, I only ask, because I got very worried for the phones. Can't get the same effect with other audio so far.
edit: forgot to add it's only the left channel
Yes, there's something off. I don't know about a hiss, but I hear the casters more from the right and it's driving me slightly crazy.
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On May 01 2013 01:19 Snijjer wrote:
Streloks drop could have done so much damage, he completely fucked it up :/
its still way cost efficient, even just flying in trollivac to force drone pulls is lots of damage
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On May 01 2013 01:19 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:16 figq wrote:
Is it my phones, or is there a slight "wind"/"wistle" echo-kind-of noise (only in the left ear!) on the English stream? It's okay with me, I only ask, because I got very worried for the phones. Can't get the same effect with other audio so far.
edit: forgot to add it's only the left channel Yes, there's something off. I don't know about a hiss, but I hear the casters more from the right and it's driving me slightly crazy.
Yep, for the volume is on the right, luckily i am not using phones.
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so passive, it's like i'm watching throzain play
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without talking bad aboud WCS NA,
Axeltoss seems like a funny caster but without any knowledge, and axlav a pretty bored analyst with more older strats
kaelaris knows so much about the scene and tod is one of the top skiller in EU who have deep knowledge ...
EU so far outclasses NA in casting class by a huge amount  hope NA can catch up but i think they need a) get skilled (gogo let them train more and watch more games) or change another cocaster in
ps: kr still best ofc ^^ but you cant beat tastetosis
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That split micro from ret letting one viper die 
Oh man, WCS Korea spoiled me today.
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17 minutes : Standart timing for speedling :D
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Mines don't target larvae?
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Why wouldn't he build swarm hosts?
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the sound seems really weird, or is it just me?
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On May 01 2013 01:24 Sent. wrote:
Mines don't target larvae?
They don't target larva but they do target the eggs i think.
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This is a weird game, cant decide if its good or bad 
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On May 01 2013 01:24 Zheryn wrote:
Why wouldn't he build swarm hosts?
probably to avoid losing
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All those Widow Mines... RET needs infested terrans, or spread out baiting lings, right?
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Ret has allergy to overseers or something ?
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Poll: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 1?No (11) 42% Yes (8) 31% If you have time (7) 27% 26 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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17 minutes : Standart timing for speedling :D
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Haha and Terrans wanted there BW tank damage
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"mech" in hots so far is hellbat drops and unsieged tanks with hellbats lol
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Kinda underwhelming game by Ret. I would've liked a BL transition vs. Streloks composition.
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United States33389 Posts
it appears that Rets queens are purely for anti air o_o?
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Cool mech game i suppose haha
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That wasn't really a good game, although it was nice to see blinding cloud put to some use.
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ret had lots of transfuses but didnt use them. Used maybe 30% of them tops
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On May 01 2013 01:29 Godwrath wrote:
Ret has allergy to overseers or something ?
Apparently so, really disappointed with Ret that game, his game is way better than what we just seen
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That was not very well played by ret there. Hydra/Roach/viper deSTROYS this style.
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Nice game by Strelok, but Ret not looking to good
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Anyone know who is doing the observing?
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Very nice mech play from Strelok. Mass mine lategame, didn't think it would be so effective.
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On May 01 2013 01:29 Tsubbi wrote:
"mech" in hots so far is hellbat drops and unsieged tanks with hellbats lol
Most of the time Tanks were unsieged against Ultralisks in WoL too.
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hmm ret i don't know. when i see this i worry for our european fellow citizens.
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On May 01 2013 01:20 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:19 Snijjer wrote:
Streloks drop could have done so much damage, he completely fucked it up :/ its still way cost efficient, even just flying in trollivac to force drone pulls is lots of damage
Yeah it was ok but it would have been amazing if he had dropped those hellbats when they were over the natural with ~30 drones instead of running it to the third.
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On May 01 2013 01:30 Nordom wrote:
Anyone know who is doing the observing?
Kaelaris, no?
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Did Ret ever end up getting chitinous plating?
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Ret not looking that great in game 1. Hopefully he can bring it back!
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On May 01 2013 01:31 Dosey wrote:
Did Ret ever end up getting chitinous plating?
To be fair it doesn't to that much against a Mech army anyway. Which brings me to the point why did he build this many Ultras anyway ?
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Those unsieged Tanks performing so much better then when sieged up breaks my heart...deathball craft.
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Strelok is awesome. I would love if both Ret and Strelok advance.
On May 01 2013 01:20 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:19 Ropid wrote:On May 01 2013 01:16 figq wrote:
Is it my phones, or is there a slight "wind"/"wistle" echo-kind-of noise (only in the left ear!) on the English stream? It's okay with me, I only ask, because I got very worried for the phones. Can't get the same effect with other audio so far.
edit: forgot to add it's only the left channel Yes, there's something off. I don't know about a hiss, but I hear the casters more from the right and it's driving me slightly crazy. Yep, for the volume is on the right, luckily i am not using phones.
Thanks a lot for the responses. Looks like my phones are fine. (phew!)
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Gogo Carpet Terran, just one more game!
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United States33389 Posts
Ultras getting wiped with 5 full mana queens behind them, many tears
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Seriously whats with the crappy internet connections from the observers !!
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On May 01 2013 01:32 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Those unsieged Tanks performing so much better then when sieged up breaks my heart...deathball craft.
Yeah, it's sad that Tanks are better unsieged vs Zerg with vipers than they are sieged. Tanks are supposed to be in siege mode god damnit!
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the TVs in the background look sooo good.
even the score. they are improving really fast
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On May 01 2013 01:34 Waxangel wrote:
Ultras getting wiped with 5 full mana queens behind them, many tears
Didn't even notice....
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Funny how WCS KR and NA starting halved the viewer numbers for Europe.
Or maybe it's just hype is running out.
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Ah, ToD have really grown in to the caster role. Could he even be the next bonjour, perhaps?
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Man, 3 people in this group who always like to play super long games... I have a feeling this is gonna be a long day.
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ret... plz..
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Ret looks dead this is horrific damage so soon
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wow what was Ret thinking
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No wonder Ret thinks terran is overpowered.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Ret just ggs at this point.
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I am so disappointed with the WCS EU!!! How is this even possible? The stream is late and the observers are causing so many issues.I understand that in EU we need lot of obs to be able to stream in different langueges,but if this is to try compete with WCS KR(GSL) we are surely gonna lose sooo bad!!! We need the production to be better and organizers to take it more seiously.I can understand how are we waitong to be the right time and there was NO MASIN STREAM.Bad for ESL.I think Dreamhack would do it much better.Same as the MLG who are screwing it up everything,beginning with bad and rare casters.
I know the quality of the games are not so good,but with this kind of production it wont be worth working so hard to achieve anything.At the end the prize pool is the same,but I think blizzard screwed this and its shame for Koreans to share the prize pool with such a bad tournaments.
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United States33389 Posts
This muta transition could actually do the trick if Ret doesnt fly over every single mine (a realistic possibility)
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So annoying when observers don't show how many workers were killed...
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Does Strelok have 3 armories ?
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On May 01 2013 01:43 TheDwf wrote:
So annoying when observers don't show how many workers were killed...
Didn't they show 25?
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Rets poor Muta flock
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On May 01 2013 01:45 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:43 TheDwf wrote:
So annoying when observers don't show how many workers were killed... Didn't they show 25?
Not on main stream (unless I had a seizure).
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Ret floating enough money to fill the reserves.
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mechvz
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United States33389 Posts
so messy for ret, could have focused the thors so mutas could have cleaned up! still, he's worked his way back into this game
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i dont get rets gameplan vs mech
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2k minerals for a Pro Zerg!!! REally???Come on,you can try it harder man....
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On May 01 2013 01:47 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:45 pmp10 wrote:On May 01 2013 01:43 TheDwf wrote:
So annoying when observers don't show how many workers were killed... Didn't they show 25? Not on main stream (unless I had a seizure).
It was 25.
I thought the language streams were just restreaming the english feed.
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First time watching WCS EU, the UI is really clean prefer it much over Dreamhack/GSTL.
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Haha those drones in the main, that looked like one of my games, forgetting a ton of workers after minerals are gone :D
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The new ultimate Zerg Hellbat drop defense from RET: Vipers!!! WTF
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Vipers way out of position
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March of the Brolords.. Ret is saved !!!!
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United States33389 Posts
This is becoming pretty incomprehensible but at least it's sort of funny to watch
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Strelok's mech so dynamic.
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both really sloppy holy crap i dont understand why those hellbats are just on sightseeing tour just drop em allways costefficient
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broodlords pursuing tanks instead of blocking the way for the army
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Brood lords kinda suck on this map...
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Hellbats are sooooo good.
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Seems like Strelok is ambitious again.
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He really wanted that medivac... But it looks like this Game is over for 15 min now.
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Strelok... those mines raped his vikings...
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vikings over mines not so bueno
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Hellbats is a good skill to have.
Both play rather sloppy but those push it in favor for Strelok
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Uhh ret, that was bad :S
Saw like 7 Widowmines with his overseers right below all of his corruptors and let them all die
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why zerg not playing roach hydra viper with only 4 5 broods ?? vs viking u pull em to your hydras, broods to unsiege siege and then attacking with roach hydra
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United States33389 Posts
brutal series to watch
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Strelok plays as he was Zerg!! So many bases and expansions...I am very disappointed with Rets performance.So many year of Progamer and it looks so painful to watch...I dont get it! How can THIS BE GM game!!!
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Poll: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 2?Yes (14) 45% No (13) 42% If you have time (4) 13% 31 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 3?Yes (10) 53% If you have time (5) 26% No (4) 21% 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ret vs. Strelok Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Well, so disappointed in Ret
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Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
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On May 01 2013 01:53 Killmouse wrote:
why zerg not playing roach hydra viper with only 4 5 broods ?? vs viking u pull em to your hydras, broods to unsiege siege and then attacking with roach hydra
Ret never had the eco for it.
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Ret... so disappointing :/
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Strelok playing extremely well, making Ret look bad
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Strelok's style is so awesome to watch
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Nice to see Broodlord deathballs finally get shut down for once. That's definitely one aspect of WoL I don't miss.
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Vorenius wrote:
Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
I think its a bit of both, I doubt zergs are really used to dealing with Streloks style.
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Vorenius wrote:
Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
Little bit of both. Mostly Ret looks really lackluster though. His decision making doesn't look promising at all.
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Vorenius wrote:
Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
Probably the latter. Wrong unit choices all round.
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Dvriel wrote:
Strelok plays as he was Zerg!! So many bases and expansions...I am very disappointed with Rets performance.So many year of Progamer and it looks so painful to watch...I dont get it! How can THIS BE GM game!!!
He lost a ton of drones to the hellions and made roaches. From there on it was just a 15min deathanimation.
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Vorenius wrote:
Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
Ret playing like it's the first time he met mech and making up a plan vs it as the game goes on.
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not sure if that was "so bad it was good" or "so bad it was terrible"
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On May 01 2013 01:53 Quateras wrote:Uhh ret, that was bad :S Saw like 7 Widowmines with his overseers right below all of his corruptors and let them all die
at least the mines killed the vikings aswell
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Vorenius wrote:
Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
Strelok played well, but I don't get why Ret didn't try Roaches/Hydralisks/Vipers.
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Ret threw away an obnoxious amount of units that game, pretty disgusting he was in it for that long in the first place.
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snowballed from the early game where reaper/helion did way too much dmg
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Vorenius wrote:
Is Strelok playing really well or is Ret just awful?
To be fair Ret was pretty much dead after the runby.
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As expected. Now it's time to see how Titan looks. I'm quite curious.
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Strelok looks quite strong at the moment, hoping he advances.
Also, I wish they'd fix the audio balance. Think they had the same issue last time I watched aswell.
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Tommorow Group D:
Ret vs Strelok Ret vs Strelok
... ok
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I see tomorrows group has more Ret vs Strelok.
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Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour
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no more ret vs strelok please!!!
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On May 01 2013 01:58 scsnow wrote:
no more ret vs strelok please!!! i'd love more
but there won't be :/
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Which reminds me - tomorrow MVP plays.
Anybody know if it will be on EU from Korea?
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It's funny, when I was watching Shine play in GSL earlier, I was like, wow this TvZ is awful. Now though, I realize I didn't know what awful was. T.T
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On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour
Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build.
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On May 01 2013 01:56 Waxangel wrote:
not sure if that was "so bad it was good" or "so bad it was terrible"
So bad it made the little Ret inside my heart cry.
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On May 01 2013 01:58 pmp10 wrote:
Which reminds me - tomorrow MVP plays.
Anybody know if it will be on EU from Korea?
He will be from Korea, but after what i have seen he could play from Mars and win
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On May 01 2013 01:58 pmp10 wrote:
Which reminds me - tomorrow MVP plays.
Anybody know if it will be on EU from Korea?
From Korea, the latency isnt as bad as people make out, a second delay maximum but at the top top level that's alot.
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On May 01 2013 01:59 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build.
Depends on how much poker he's playing atm.
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On May 01 2013 01:59 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build.
Hope so cause watching Thorzain creep across the map tests my patience
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On May 01 2013 01:58 pmp10 wrote:
Which reminds me - tomorrow MVP plays.
Anybody know if it will be on EU from Korea?
I have no idea, Mvp is so bad at informing us whats going on in his life. I hope hes in Cologne with MC otherwise Im worried for him.
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On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour
what's your job?
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On May 01 2013 01:59 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build.
Why all-in? Do you have any inside knowledge we don't have?
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On May 01 2013 02:03 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour what's your job?
restaurant critic
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On May 01 2013 02:02 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:59 Godwrath wrote:On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build. Hope so cause watching Thorzain creep across the map tests my patience
Its a thing of beauty.
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Terran can just make some simple units with little to no miro required that force the zerg to use extreamly high levels of micro to defeat it. You can see that ret is trying to micro in 3 places at once, still make injects for macro and scout for drops, where even if Sterlock looses a couple mines or a drop ship the cost is very low relative to what it takes to defend it. I think Ret just got stretched too thin.
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On May 01 2013 02:01 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:59 Godwrath wrote:On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build. Depends on how much poker he's playing atm.
Probably 8 tables at this moment
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On May 01 2013 02:03 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour what's your job?
Data Center Engineer.. horrible shifts
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On May 01 2013 01:56 Waxangel wrote:
not sure if that was "so bad it was good" or "so bad it was terrible"
so bad it was meh...
Definitely not good but also not terrible.
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On May 01 2013 02:05 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:56 Waxangel wrote:
not sure if that was "so bad it was good" or "so bad it was terrible" so bad it was meh... Definitely not good but also not terrible.
Will you qualify for Challenger League? 
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On May 01 2013 02:04 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:03 Schelim wrote:On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour what's your job? Data Center Engineer.. horrible shifts
i see. the only nightshifts i have are in front of a computer with the job basically being 'do nothing and wait till you can get home' so i usually watch starcraft. but i don't really get those shifts anymore.
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On May 01 2013 02:04 Polygamy wrote:
Terran can just make some simple units with little to no miro required that force the zerg to use extreamly high levels of micro to defeat it.
I sense a tad of Zerg bias in you.
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On May 01 2013 02:07 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:04 Polygamy wrote:
Terran can just make some simple units with little to no miro required that force the zerg to use extreamly high levels of micro to defeat it. I sense a tad of Zerg bias in you.
I switch races alot, and mostly play random.
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On May 01 2013 02:10 Polygamy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:07 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:04 Polygamy wrote:
Terran can just make some simple units with little to no miro required that force the zerg to use extreamly high levels of micro to defeat it. I sense a tad of Zerg bias in you. I switch races alot, and mostly play random.
Is this supposed to be a proof of objectivity to back up your terrible statement?
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On May 01 2013 02:00 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:58 pmp10 wrote:
Which reminds me - tomorrow MVP plays.
Anybody know if it will be on EU from Korea? From Korea, the latency isnt as bad as people make out, a second delay maximum but at the top top level that's alot.
I bet all the Koreans has a pretty large target on their backs. Im not sure why Mvp is being so cocky, its not like him.
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Na'Vi.Strelok @NaViStrelok 7m
About my games against @LiquidRet. I made a thon of mistakes I never did in practise. But so did he. It's WCS guys, so everyone is nervous.
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On May 01 2013 02:11 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +Na'Vi.Strelok @NaViStrelok 7m
About my games against @LiquidRet. I made a thon of mistakes I never did in practise. But so did he. It's WCS guys, so everyone is nervous.
I imagine this type of format is going to be pretty stressful for everyone but the koreans for a season or two.
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On May 01 2013 02:03 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:59 Godwrath wrote:On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour Yes, Titan will all in him 2 times in a row and win both games. One will involve a proxy oracle build. Why all-in? Do you have any inside knowledge we don't have?
I am just giving the guy some hope haha.
Thorzain really expected that proxy tho
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Zerg is my bias too, but if Ret doesn't get out of one of the if not the easiest group, I'm going to have to cry myself to sleep tonight. Can't say which race is the easiest, just play the manliest!
Ret Fighting ^^
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Thorzain gonna firebat drop the sentry then push with scvs...... that's what he did at Dreamhack to some success.
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"who's lagging?"-"yes"
hahaha
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How cute, ToD doesn't know what 'pounce' means
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On May 01 2013 02:15 Schelim wrote:
"who's lagging?"-"yes"
hahaha
Ruslish:D
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I'm so tired of those gimmicky Hellbat drops builds into bio.
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On May 01 2013 02:07 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:04 Topdoller wrote:On May 01 2013 02:03 Schelim wrote:On May 01 2013 01:58 Topdoller wrote:
Hmm do i have time to watch the "Spoon Terran" got work in an hour what's your job? Data Center Engineer.. horrible shifts i see. the only nightshifts i have are in front of a computer with the job basically being 'do nothing and wait till you can get home' so i usually watch starcraft. but i don't really get those shifts anymore.
Yeah, mine is similar in nature, you are there for "what if something goes wrong". Evening Shift is a killer for me, also the internet is censored where i work so its no Starcraft for me !!
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On May 01 2013 02:15 Schelim wrote:
"who's lagging?"-"yes"
hahaha
Titan reminded me of that high guy meme
thorzain: who's lagging ?
titan: yes <_>
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Thorzain mixing it up, i like this
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When Thorzain was at Dreamhack he actually got all the sentries with the early hellbat drops and just march to victory. Looks like a pretty good build.
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titan could hardly have defended better
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Titan isn't that behind to say "when behind dark shrine"
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thorzain just lost... almost all his workers?
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Thorzain not reacting to 3 DT's in his base at all.
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Holy shit, dt's are cleaning it up
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Holy crap, worst DT defense ever?
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slick three-pronged DT harass there
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Missile turrets are overrated...
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Why the hell did Titan do that ? When you kill a ton of workers, you defend after !
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hopefully koreans arent watching the level of play of todays wcs na and eu lol, especially choya would go on another twitter rampage
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after killing so many SCVs he should have waited to let eco advantage kick in
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Kill workers, then attack.....
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On May 01 2013 02:20 StarVe wrote:
slick three-pronged DT harass there
Yeah shift click so skilled . :d
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Oh titan, you were so ahead after killing all these scv's, why would you attack his bigger army before the economy loss played a role >_>
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Why the hell was Titan out on the map after destroying Thorzains econ like that?
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hard to watch this after sOs's games earlier today
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Titan , that was a horror story of an attack, into GG
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Throw competition or excessive courtesy?
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why would he attack directly after killing 50 scvs? All he had to do was not die
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Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 1?No (49) 91% Yes (4) 7% If you have time (1) 2% 54 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Oh Titan, he overcommited there...
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Titan did you really think you would beat that army?^^
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WTF was TiTan thinking there? He only just got himself back in the game after being down a base, better move out while my opponent still has a bigger army.
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loool how did Titan lose this game?!?
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"What in the what in the what?"
My thoughts exactly.
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that looked like they were both trying their hardest to lose the game
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Both players went full foreigner imo
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oh god titan!! stay in your base after you kill 50 scvs and macro up!
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both players going full foreigner......
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I don't understand he didn't take the third instead and tech up while thorzain is forced to attack him because of how many scv's he lost.
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On May 01 2013 02:21 Grumbels wrote:
hard to watch this after sOs's games earlier today
That's how I feel when I watch foreign Terrans after Inno/Flash. It's just sad lol
But then again...these players are a trillion times better than me.
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Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game.
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Titan, TOTAL MISREAD! 46 SCVs killed. Shoulda stay at home.
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Titan just attacked at the worst timing ever
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Titan should have just stayed at home macroing up while Thozain's economy was in shambles, yes?
Edit: Never mind. I'm slow and all seem to agree. ^^
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Pushing with SCVs and his army. So much for the slow, methodical spoon Terran. :p
Also Titan threw his army really hard in that last engagement.
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On May 01 2013 02:07 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:05 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 01:56 Waxangel wrote:
not sure if that was "so bad it was good" or "so bad it was terrible" so bad it was meh... Definitely not good but also not terrible. Will you qualify for Challenger League?
I'll try to :D
And wow this game was "so bad it was terrible". No question about that.
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On May 01 2013 02:21 SinCitta wrote:Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 1?No (49) 91% Yes (4) 7% If you have time (1) 2% 54 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
hahahaha.
That sums it up quite nicely.
That game made my head hurt.
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Hard to watch after DH and code S yes...
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Titan should've stayed home and be a family man.
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On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game.
Code F.
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On May 01 2013 02:21 Bagi wrote:
Why the hell was Titan out on the map after destroying Thorzains econ like that?
Thorzain had 3 ccs cs 2 nexus and his army was way bigger, if the bulk of your army marine marauder hellbat which hardly requires any gas and you retain medivacs, you aren't really that behind with 3 mules, even after 45 dead scvs.... also titan's eco was damaged too. Thorzain would have been ahead in eco in 1 minutes if if titan didn't attack. now the attack itself was pretty bad that's true.
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On May 01 2013 02:23 scsnow wrote:
Hard to watch after DH and code S yes...
Give it a few seasons. The people who deserve to be there will be in EU/America Code S by then, and the games will be better overall.
It isn't like people don't derp hard in Code S, we've seen 11/11 losing to 3 hatch before pool there.
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On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game.
there isn't any bad game in gsl, right?
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When you kill workers, it takes time for the damage to kick in. Titan should have known how badly outmatched is army was.
Really really weird.
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On May 01 2013 02:24 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:21 Bagi wrote:
Why the hell was Titan out on the map after destroying Thorzains econ like that? Thorzain had 3 ccs cs 2 nexus and his army was way bigger, if the bulk of your army marine marauder hellbat which hardly requires any gas and you retain medivacs, you aren't really that behind with 3 mules, even after 45 dead scvs.... also titan's eco was damaged too. Thorzain would have been ahead in eco in 1 minutes if if titan didn't attack. now the attack itself was pretty bad that's true.
48 probes + 3 Nexi vs 24 SCVs + 3 OCs actually.
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'Thorzain was so methodical and so prepared'
j/k lose 30+ SCVs to 3 DTs.
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maybe the system should just be changed to Korea is Code S, Europe is Code A and NA is Code B
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On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right?
Never! Even shines games were topnotch!!
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Western pro undervalue practicing in custom with someone I feel.
Ladder only get you so far when you"re not Stephano.
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On May 01 2013 02:26 Schelim wrote:maybe the system should just be changed to Korea is Code S, Europe is Code A and NA is Code B
Na is mostly code s caliber koreans, soo...
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On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right?
There are, but less.
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Thorzain didn't lose 40 scvs to DTs, remember he brought them with him to attack earlier too...
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On May 01 2013 02:27 ramask2 wrote:
Thorzain didn't lose 40 scvs to DTs, remember he brought them with him to attack earlier too...
yea, he only lost like 30 to dts
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On May 01 2013 02:27 ramask2 wrote:
Thorzain didn't lose 40 scvs to DTs, remember he brought them with him to attack earlier too...
He did lose 40 SCVs to DTs... Worker killed count went from 12 to 52.
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On May 01 2013 02:26 Noocta wrote:
Western pro undervalue practicing in custom with someone I feel.
Ladder only get you so far when you"re not Stephano.
Doesn't help that they're now all playing against each other in WCS.
God that was a bad game, I'm considering just leaving and looking at the results later, hurts almost too much to watch this.
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On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:27 ramask2 wrote:
Thorzain didn't lose 40 scvs to DTs, remember he brought them with him to attack earlier too... He did lose 40 SCVs to DTs... Worker killed count went from 12 to 52.
Oh wow... really!? what the hell lol my bad
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On May 01 2013 02:27 AxiR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:26 Schelim wrote:maybe the system should just be changed to Korea is Code S, Europe is Code A and NA is Code B Na is mostly code s caliber koreans, soo...
heh, well you know what i mean.
and i don't think most of them are Code S level tbh. Ryung is, and maybe Polt and Violet, but aside from that?
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I stick with Code EU, NA and KR, and Challenger EU etc
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On May 01 2013 02:25 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:24 hastur420 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:21 Bagi wrote:
Why the hell was Titan out on the map after destroying Thorzains econ like that? Thorzain had 3 ccs cs 2 nexus and his army was way bigger, if the bulk of your army marine marauder hellbat which hardly requires any gas and you retain medivacs, you aren't really that behind with 3 mules, even after 45 dead scvs.... also titan's eco was damaged too. Thorzain would have been ahead in eco in 1 minutes if if titan didn't attack. now the attack itself was pretty bad that's true. 48 probes + 3 Nexi vs 24 SCVs + 3 OCs actually.
my bad, didn't see the 3rd nexus. still he was ahead on army and arguably even a better army than titan. sufficient amount of vikings, blue flame hellbats vs zealots etc. he wasn't that ahead, if he was ahead at all.
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On May 01 2013 02:29 Killmouse wrote:
is the sound low???
Yes
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On May 01 2013 02:29 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:25 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:24 hastur420 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:21 Bagi wrote:
Why the hell was Titan out on the map after destroying Thorzains econ like that? Thorzain had 3 ccs cs 2 nexus and his army was way bigger, if the bulk of your army marine marauder hellbat which hardly requires any gas and you retain medivacs, you aren't really that behind with 3 mules, even after 45 dead scvs.... also titan's eco was damaged too. Thorzain would have been ahead in eco in 1 minutes if if titan didn't attack. now the attack itself was pretty bad that's true. 48 probes + 3 Nexi vs 24 SCVs + 3 OCs actually. my bad, didn't see the 3rd nexus. still he was ahead on army and arguably even a better army than titan. sufficient amount of vikings, blue flame hellbats vs zealots etc. he wasn't that ahead, if he was ahead at all.
pretty sure he canceled the third to hold the attack
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good ole 2base 10-gate chargelot/archon
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What sort of attack was that?
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On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right? There are, but less.
a conclusion taken from watching 2 groups and half of WCS EU
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code Special needs maybe =)
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Archons are the new hellbats
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This is the first time i see an archon runby.
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Again the observer didn't show how many SCVs died...
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On May 01 2013 02:33 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right? There are, but less. a conclusion taken from watching 2 groups and half of WCS EU, in the first season with a lot of invited players. People are forgetting the first seasons of code S. BitByBit Terran Bonjwa! :-)
Added a bit.
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On May 01 2013 02:35 Godwrath wrote:
This is the first time i see an archon runby.
lol, now that you mention it
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On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats
You mean hellbats are the new archons.....
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Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 2?No (9) 43% Yes (8) 38% If you have time (4) 19% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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On May 01 2013 02:33 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right? There are, but less. a conclusion taken from watching 2 groups and half of WCS EU
Yeah, need a huge sample size to deduce that inferior players make more mistakes and thus sloppier games on average.
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On May 01 2013 02:36 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:33 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right? There are, but less. a conclusion taken from watching 2 groups and half of WCS EU Yeah, need a huge sample size to deduce that inferior players make more mistakes and thus sloppier games on average.
actually, i think there were already more bad games in WCS EU than in the entire ro32 of Code S
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On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:You mean hellbats are the new archons.....
just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr.
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On May 01 2013 02:32 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:29 hastur420 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:25 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:24 hastur420 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:21 Bagi wrote:
Why the hell was Titan out on the map after destroying Thorzains econ like that? Thorzain had 3 ccs cs 2 nexus and his army was way bigger, if the bulk of your army marine marauder hellbat which hardly requires any gas and you retain medivacs, you aren't really that behind with 3 mules, even after 45 dead scvs.... also titan's eco was damaged too. Thorzain would have been ahead in eco in 1 minutes if if titan didn't attack. now the attack itself was pretty bad that's true. 48 probes + 3 Nexi vs 24 SCVs + 3 OCs actually. my bad, didn't see the 3rd nexus. still he was ahead on army and arguably even a better army than titan. sufficient amount of vikings, blue flame hellbats vs zealots etc. he wasn't that ahead, if he was ahead at all. pretty sure he canceled the third to hold the attack
i didn't remember the 3rd nexus be active either. if that's true thorzain was ahead by far even after losing 40 scvs and titan did a desperation attack recognizing that
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It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL.
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On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr.
damn, that would be so imbalanced
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On May 01 2013 02:37 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:36 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:33 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right? There are, but less. a conclusion taken from watching 2 groups and half of WCS EU Yeah, need a huge sample size to deduce that inferior players make more mistakes and thus sloppier games on average. actually, i think there were already more bad games in WCS EU than in the entire ro32 of Code S
It's better than watching Koreans stomp foreigners for 2-3 days.
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On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr.
Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs
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To be fair, today's Code S group wasn't very good either. Shine had disappointing macro.
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Bagi wrote:
It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL.
agree don't even know why those ppl even watch these games...When I watch football I won't go to a lower league and complain there all the time how they aren't as good as barcelona, man united etc.
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Bagi wrote:
It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL.
Actually it got a lot worse after BW died and a lot of elitist douchebags started watching SC2.
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. damn, that would be so imbalanced
na man super balanced. Also let Archon get energy so when they split the 2 HTs can storm unless 2 DTs made the archon.
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:37 Schelim wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:33 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:27 TheDwf wrote:On May 01 2013 02:25 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 02:22 TheDwf wrote:
Hope no one calls it "Code S Europe" anymore after this kind of game. there isn't any bad game in gsl, right? There are, but less. a conclusion taken from watching 2 groups and half of WCS EU Yeah, need a huge sample size to deduce that inferior players make more mistakes and thus sloppier games on average. actually, i think there were already more bad games in WCS EU than in the entire ro32 of Code S It's better than watching Koreans stomp foreigners for 2-3 days.
But sometimes the foreigners step their shit up which leads to pretty awesome games.
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If there's a god...ThorZaiN wins this game...
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs
and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game !
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Bagi wrote:
It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL.
generally you kind of have a point, but although I've seen great games out of foreigners, today's games were bad so far, especially these last two now, I didn't watch Strelok vs Ret much
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On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game !
Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon
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Again, people need to give WCS more time to weed out the weaker competition. People like Naniwa and Stephano will hopefully stick around, and the transferred Koreans will bump out the weaker foreigners.
The only concern is if it turns into 3 WCS Koreas, but hopefully there will be a few foreigners who have their shit together to keep it interesting (I love Code S, just not 3 of them).
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On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game !
HUUUUGE SPLIT GOING DOWN THERE
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Titan doing the same PvT he does always on the ladder... i expected him to spice it up with the WCS format...
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On May 01 2013 02:39 Bagi wrote:
It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL.
WCS changed a lot of opinions. I see a lot more anti-Korean comments now and people hating on foreigners skill level.
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On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon
it has 500 shield points, is permanently cloaked, has the Archon attack with the dmg of a DT attack and can cast storm
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On May 01 2013 02:43 Swords wrote:
Again, people need to give WCS more time to weed out the weaker competition. People like Naniwa and Stephano will hopefully stick around, and the transferred Koreans will bump out the weaker foreigners.
The only concern is if it turns into 3 WCS Koreas, but hopefully there will be a few foreigners who have their shit together to keep it interesting (I love Code S, just not 3 of them).
Thorzain and Titan have played at a level far above what they're showing here in the past, they don't need to be weeded out, they need to pull themselves together and start playing like they used to
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On May 01 2013 02:44 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon it has 500 shield points, is permanently cloaked, has the Archon attack with the dmg of a DT attack and can cast storm
I think you're forgetting that there's a hard counter to that
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On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon
then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k shields with like 10k damage.
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Love that midgame reaper from Thorzain! I woould terrans to use it more for midgame scouting especially vs zerg where a scan can miss most the tech
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These early pushes from thorzain don't seem very helpful.
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On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage.
scary part is that 10 ghost still counter that :p
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On May 01 2013 02:42 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:39 Bagi wrote:
It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL. generally you kind of have a point, but although I've seen great games out of foreigners, today's games were bad so far, especially these last two now, I didn't watch Strelok vs Ret much
Games between foreigners can easily be as entertaining as games between Koreans. Close back and forth games or interesting strategies can be really entertaining.
But today's games were just bad so far. Ret looking like he never played against Mech at all, Thorzain looking as if he was focussing on something else but not the game (losing 40 SCVs to DTs in game 1, not microing his units at all in game 2) and Titan's decision making was really off as well.
The games so far were just not good. Maybe there will be some better games later today. At least I hope there will be some.
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On May 01 2013 02:45 freerolll wrote:
Love that midgame reaper from Thorzain! I woould terrans to use it more for midgame scouting especially vs zerg where a scan can miss most the tech
You won't sneak a Reaper in Zerg's base with creep/Overlords.
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On May 01 2013 02:46 freerolll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage. scary part is that 10 ghost still counter that :p
10 ghosts can remove 350k shields..idk why i thought energy.
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On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage.
I still like my 2tank+1thor+2hellion+1ghost into "optimus prime".
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Well those storms were pretty good.
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On May 01 2013 02:46 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:42 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Bagi wrote:
It's getting kinda sad how every non-KR tournament turns into a circlejerk over how "bad" the players are. I don't remember it being nearly this bad back in WOL. generally you kind of have a point, but although I've seen great games out of foreigners, today's games were bad so far, especially these last two now, I didn't watch Strelok vs Ret much Games between foreigners can easily be as entertaining as games between Koreans. Close back and forth games or interesting strategies can be really entertaining. But today's games were just bad so far. Ret looking like he never played against Mech at all, Thorzain looking as if he was focussing on something else but not the game (losing 40 SCVs to DTs in game 1, not microing his units at all in game 2) and Titan's decision making was really off as well. The games so far were just not good. Maybe there will be some better games later today. At least I hope there will be some.
Yeah, exactly. I always enjoy watching LucifroN and I hope someone like MaNa, Nani or VortiX will show equally flawless games, it just looks like we can't expect a similar level of play from anyone in this group today.
Maybe Strelok if he is less nervous.
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What was that? Why didn't he evac or move down after he scanned the P army?
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On May 01 2013 02:47 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:46 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage. scary part is that 10 ghost still counter that :p 10 ghosts can remove 350k shields..idk why i thought energy.
Emp is -100 shield and -100 energy right?
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On May 01 2013 02:48 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage. I still like my 2tank+1thor+2hellion+1ghost into "optimus prime".
No, it's one hellion, one viking, one thor, one hellbat and one marine. And when you morph them together the soundtrack is "Gogo power rangers!"
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On May 01 2013 02:49 freerolll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:47 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:46 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:34 krutopatkin wrote:
Archons are the new hellbats You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage. scary part is that 10 ghost still counter that :p 10 ghosts can remove 350k shields..idk why i thought energy. Emp is -100 shield and -100 energy right?
yea but you going to need a shit ton of emps to remove that much shield lol
also gg thorzain it seems.
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On May 01 2013 02:47 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:45 freerolll wrote:
Love that midgame reaper from Thorzain! I woould terrans to use it more for midgame scouting especially vs zerg where a scan can miss most the tech You won't sneak a Reaper in Zerg's base with creep/Overlords.
Why would anybody in the world even drop then if that is 100% guarenteed
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Don't fuck this up now, boy!
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wooohooo old ussr going strong
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why no hell bats vs this composition..
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On May 01 2013 02:50 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:49 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:47 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:46 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:
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You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage. scary part is that 10 ghost still counter that :p 10 ghosts can remove 350k shields..idk why i thought energy. Emp is -100 shield and -100 energy right? yea but you going to need a shit ton of emps to remove that much shield lol
that thing would counter itself. can you imagine how big that thing would be? ramps would be a hardcounter unless 10 carriers could carry it around. wow ... guys i solved the carrier role. :-p
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On May 01 2013 02:50 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:49 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:47 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:46 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:42 freerolll wrote:On May 01 2013 02:41 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:39 Yello wrote:On May 01 2013 02:37 FeyFey wrote:On May 01 2013 02:36 freerolll wrote:
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You mean hellbats are the new archons..... just imagine there would be an upgrade to split the Archon again. I know it would be a horrible lore break, but just the idea brrr. Yeah, and you give them an upgrade called 'Advanced Recycling Technologies' and when they have that upgrade the Archon splits into 2 full energy HTs and now imagine casters saying, beautiful Archon splitting micro every game ! Imo they should make it so you can morph 2 archons to create a super archon then morph 2 super archons into a mega archon then morph 2 mega archons into a super mega archon then morph 2 super mega archons..forever and ever till a archon takes up the whole map with like 10k hp and 350k energy with like 10k damage. scary part is that 10 ghost still counter that :p 10 ghosts can remove 350k shields..idk why i thought energy. Emp is -100 shield and -100 energy right? yea but you going to need a shit ton of emps to remove that much shield lol
Ok after alot of balance whine from terrans about the OP archon Blizzards comes out with the Radioactive Ghost!
Drop a nuclear missile on top of a ghost to give him super powers
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You can't expect the same level of play from the first Season of WCS EU/NA as from WCS KR.
It's the first season and there were so many invites from results from last year. In Korea the whole league is as good as it gets because everyone qualified for it and if there are players in bad form, they drop out and a better player comes in.
That process has yet to happen in EU/NA.
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wow what a bad engagement from the protoss...LOL
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Its like both are trying to outchoke the other ....
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Titan really likes to engage in fights he has little chance of winning when he doesn't need to.
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OH GOD TITAN WHY
god damn it
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Well, Titan got reverse-Protossed
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Wrong move to warp those zealots in Thorzain's main unfortunately
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aight gonna have at least one terran advancing
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Oh wow. Thorzain's engagements are just out of this world.
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Titan will be facepalming later on when he realizes he threw the game :o
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Can nobody advance from this group?
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On May 01 2013 02:52 Swords wrote:
Titan really likes to engage in fights he has little chance of winning when he doesn't need to.
yea...titan what the fuck you threw so fucking hard with that engagement holy fucking shit LOL
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That is what you call a throw. So far the biggest one in this tourney.
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this was almost worse than watching Kas when he refuses to micro his army against banelings
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I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
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Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 3?No (14) 67% Yes (4) 19% If you have time (3) 14% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. ThorZaIN Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Low level play by both tbh, doubt any of them can take down Stelok, and probably not Ret either
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titan makes a nice easy throw, thorzain catches with one hand behind his back
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EMP's really saved Thorizain there
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ugh the first foreign WCS match Ive gotten to watch so far...
Finest EU has to offer
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Titan why warp in 10 zealots in thorzain main that do nothing when you cant defend the Push
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Titan looked so good in both of the games until those really critical errors. What a shame.
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I stopped watching after the HT-Zealot harass, how did Thorzain manage to win this game?
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On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
He was supposed to not fight in a tiny chokepoint when he'd just warped in 20 zealots and sent them somewhere other than the fight.
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Thorzain knows something about engaging a Protoss army with ghosts (it's basically what he does; 10 min push and then camp to ghosts).
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On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
for starters, not attack in a place where his army is incredibly clumped up and he has no surface area for his zealots to engage
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On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
It's a spellcaster war, so if his templar can get storms before the EMPs hit, it'll still be ok for him. There were too many ghosts to feedback though, but that's also an option if the ghost:templar ratio is closer together.
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On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
Back off, spread army. Also he engaged into concave of terran units, Thorzain had better surface area.
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On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
his army was sick?
He had like 2 templars vs around 8-9 ghosts and engaged in an unfavorable position. Not to mention he only had 3 colossus.
And he was up a base... he had no reason to engage Thorzain.
He could easily have won if he had a lot more templars/colossus in the mix. Even if he did not win the battle would go more in his favor and he would have been able to remax easily since he is ahead in eco
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On May 01 2013 02:52 StarVe wrote:
OH GOD TITAN WHY
god damn it
![[image loading]](http://dougleschan.com/the-recruitment-guru/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/headhunter-why.png)
User was warned for this post
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On May 01 2013 02:54 Drigger wrote:
Very weak series ....
Why aren't you playing?
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On May 01 2013 02:54 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died... He was supposed to not fight in a tiny chokepoint when he'd just warped in 20 zealots and sent them somewhere other than the fight.
And not allow thorzain to get a 4th. Just choke him.
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His 2nd time warp was so misplaced
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On May 01 2013 02:53 Heartland wrote:
Well, Titan got reverse-Protossed
Haha, yeah I thought the same. I was so sure that he would take the series.
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On May 01 2013 02:54 lim1017 wrote:
ugh the first foreign WCS match Ive gotten to watch so far...
Finest EU has to offer
This was easily the worst series so far. Both players trying to play worse than the other one.
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On May 01 2013 02:53 ramask2 wrote:
Wrong move to warp those zealots in Thorzain's main unfortunately
no
wrong move was to atttack the main army
grubby says: if you storm you better let the terran move forward attack you and then storm!
he didn't need to attack there. the zealots killed the whole worker count meanwhile the terrran can't move any forces to the main because he is scared of the toss army.
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Titan needed to be more patient in game 1 and 3.
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On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died...
I am constantly asking my self that against the splash dmg that protoss has. in just comes down to the better army control. if you lose all your energy on the HTs and most of the shields are down due to emps you are dead, if the terran does not micro the best out of his bio units he will just eats tons of damage due to the storms.
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I learned something there.. placing rax before engaging is pretty smart it gave him an edge in that fight.
#nevertooldtolearn
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On May 01 2013 02:55 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:53 crms wrote:
I'm newb, what was titan supposed to do vs so much EMP? His army was sick and then just instantly died... his army was sick? He had like 2 templars vs around 8-9 ghosts and engaged in an unfavorable position. Not to mention he only had 3 colossus. And he was up a base... he had no reason to engage Thorzain.
You forgot he also had Zealots in Thorzain's mineral lines and production. There were so many reasons to just hang out and not fight it's amazing he decided to attack there.
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On May 01 2013 02:54 DoeniDon wrote:
I stopped watching after the HT-Zealot harass, how did Thorzain manage to win this game?
titan messed up hardcore and engaged in an awful spot for no reason TT
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I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad...
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Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad.
On May 01 2013 02:56 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:54 DoeniDon wrote:
I stopped watching after the HT-Zealot harass, how did Thorzain manage to win this game? titan messed up hardcore and engaged in an awful spot for no reason TT
The second time in this series.
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Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic.
Protoss players have nightmares about engaging a ghost heavy Thorzain in lategame TvP. I'm not surprised people try and force early engagements.
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On May 01 2013 02:55 Strela wrote:Why aren't you playing?
Is this the new standard required for posting a criticism? What a stupid post.
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On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic.
He occasionally looks it, but top Korean Ps can still crush him pretty handily in the lategame. I do love Thorzain's intelligent play though not the 'spoon' element so much.
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On May 01 2013 02:57 StarVe wrote:
Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad.
I remember watching his games vs mc in tsl ... good times. His macro and especially his micro were so damn good back than.
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Titan was quite far ahead before the attack; something which he should have not done. He had his 4th coming up and could start banking minerals and getting more gates. He got too eager and attacked...
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On May 01 2013 02:57 StarVe wrote:
Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad.
Yeah, this was not standard Thorzain at all. Titan I know took time off and was barely playing when HoTS came out (not sure how he ended up invited to Code S), but Thorzain's been practicing in Korea and should theoretically be improving not regressing.
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Get ready for the longest TvT series in starcraft history!
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On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic.
Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable?
Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position.
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On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic.
yeah true, the barrack walling/choking is a fantastic response against titan's style in both the last games, I also highly recommend it if you're scared about ultras and such ^^ On the other hand, as in every TvP ever on daybreak, he was starting to fall behind to non-stop harass, happily titan was generous and donated his army
TZ played it very proper
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Well... Titan needs to learn to get more ahead when he is ahead.
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On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic.
Protoss players have nightmares about engaging a ghost heavy Thorzain in lategame TvP. I'm not surprised people try and force early engagements.
Titan just threw this game, I don't think Thorzain is that untouchable in lategame TvP (at least not judging from these games).
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On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad...
Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/
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On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic.
because what won him the game wasn't sick micro or harass, but instead Titan engaging in the worse spot with like no AOE/surface area since no storm and colossi dying to vikings since no stalkers. Thorzain at that engagement just backed into a corner then stimmed and emped with no micro just hoping his medivacs heal through the damage which they did easily with like no AOE.
Thorzain didn't play great at all it was Titan completely fucking up.
Also I wouldn't really call this late game.
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On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad...
How will they handle playing in a studio in front of a crowd? I expect a lot of choking.
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On May 01 2013 02:58 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. He occasionally looks it, but top Korean Ps can still crush him pretty handily in the lategame. I do love Thorzain's intelligent play though not the 'spoon' element so much.
He took out Creator pretty handily but bear in mind, Thorzain is the kind of player who appears with specific timings and then practices those timings to excess OR he relies on his lategame control. When he has a timing down he's usually hitting it 10-15s earlier than anyone else.
HoTS hasn't been remotely figured out yet. Give him a few months.
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On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP.
What? I remember HerO easily dismantling ThorZaIN on Metropolis at Dreamhack Winter 2012. He has a strong lategame TvP indeed, but here he wasn't in a lategame position with mass Ghosts.
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On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position.
Was about to ask the same question. Titan came really close to winning this series if it wasn't for two horrible unnecessary attacks that cost him game 1 and 3 and he didn't play exceptionally well.
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On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/
He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal.
Hopefully soon.
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On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position.
This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss.
Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units.
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On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad...
If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)?
I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals.
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On May 01 2013 02:59 freerolll wrote:
Get ready for the longest TvT series in starcraft history!
Error 404: the series does not include Goody.
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On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units.
yes, that's exactly what I said
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On May 01 2013 02:58 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:57 StarVe wrote:
Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad. Yeah, this was not standard Thorzain at all. Titan I know took time off and was barely playing when HoTS came out (not sure how he ended up invited to Code S), but Thorzain's been practicing in Korea and should theoretically be improving not regressing.
Thorzain left Korea more than a month ago and, according to an interview before Dreamhack, he's been playing less lately due to him being busy with SAT's or something like that. He certainly looked out of shape both here and in Dreamhack, even in his usually very solid TvP.
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On May 01 2013 03:02 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal.
You can find a random ladder person with 1500 games, it still won't give him nerves of steel playing Thorzain with a WCS spot on the line.
Many people are saying "i haven't heard too much about him" which obviously translates into "he doesn't have that much high-play experience", which of course makes it natural for him to be nervous.
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On May 01 2013 03:01 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. because what won him the game wasn't sick micro or harass, but instead Titan engaging in the worse spot with like no AOE/surface area since no storm and colossi dying to vikings since no stalkers. Thorzain at that engagement just backed into a corner then stimmed and emped with no micro just hoping his medivacs heal through the damage which they did easily with like no AOE. Thorzain didn't play great at all it was Titan completely fucking up.
No, Titan had the right idea (harass his natural/poke the third). Instead, what happened was Thorzain built two rax on his natural which delayed the natural attack by a good 30s or so. Which basically means that his army had to stay a LOT longer and do a lot more damage than he was comfortable doing,
It wasn't about attacking into a choke. Most Protoss will tell you that a Terran in a choke is a fantastic engagement - storm and win.
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On May 01 2013 03:03 ne0lith wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:58 Swords wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 StarVe wrote:
Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad. Yeah, this was not standard Thorzain at all. Titan I know took time off and was barely playing when HoTS came out (not sure how he ended up invited to Code S), but Thorzain's been practicing in Korea and should theoretically be improving not regressing. Thorzain left Korea more than a month ago and, according to an interview before Dreamhack, he's been playing less lately due to him being busy with SAT's or something like that. He certainly looked out of shape both here and in Dreamhack, even in his usually very solid TvP.
Ah, I didn't know that. I miss old Thorzain, but he does need to think about his education obviously.
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On May 01 2013 03:02 Longtimer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)? I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals.
This isn't a question of being top level but justifying the invites.
If this carries on I might start thinking that all player slots should have gone to open qualifier.
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Gogo Ambitious Carpet Terran!
Strelok should be the one to take first place if the gods are just, after watching these last two series.
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On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units.
Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
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On May 01 2013 03:04 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:01 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. because what won him the game wasn't sick micro or harass, but instead Titan engaging in the worse spot with like no AOE/surface area since no storm and colossi dying to vikings since no stalkers. Thorzain at that engagement just backed into a corner then stimmed and emped with no micro just hoping his medivacs heal through the damage which they did easily with like no AOE. Thorzain didn't play great at all it was Titan completely fucking up. No, Titan had the right idea (harass his natural/poke the third). Instead, what happened was Thorzain built two rax on his natural which delayed the natural attack by a good 30s or so. Which basically means that his army had to stay a LOT longer and do a lot more damage than he was comfortable doing,
It wasn't about attacking into a choke. Most Protoss will tell you that a Terran in a choke is a fantastic engagement - storm and win.
He had no storm and the colossi he had were dying to vikings which he had very little stalkers. I highly doubt a protoss wants to engage in a choke with no AOE while being zealot heavy vs a huge MMM ghost ball.
meh
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On May 01 2013 03:04 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:01 oogieogie wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. because what won him the game wasn't sick micro or harass, but instead Titan engaging in the worse spot with like no AOE/surface area since no storm and colossi dying to vikings since no stalkers. Thorzain at that engagement just backed into a corner then stimmed and emped with no micro just hoping his medivacs heal through the damage which they did easily with like no AOE. Thorzain didn't play great at all it was Titan completely fucking up. No, Titan had the right idea (harass his natural/poke the third). Instead, what happened was Thorzain built two rax on his natural which delayed the natural attack by a good 30s or so. Which basically means that his army had to stay a LOT longer and do a lot more damage than he was comfortable doing, It wasn't about attacking into a choke. Most Protoss will tell you that a Terran in a choke is a fantastic engagement - storm and win.
any tvp player, regardless of race, will tell you that defending a position is much easier than attacking one once templar/ghosts are in play
he clearly shouldn't have committed to an attack there, he probably knows it as well
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On May 01 2013 03:02 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal. Hopefully soon.
Perhaps his PvZ will show to be better. He and Livezerg practiced a lot together in MoW and probably does so nowadays too.
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On May 01 2013 03:04 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal. You can find a random ladder person with 1500 games, it still won't give him nerves of steel playing Thorzain with a WCS spot on the line. Many people are saying "i haven't heard too much about him" which obviously translates into "he doesn't have that much high-play experience", which of course makes it natural for him to be nervous.
Titan used to play a ton though in the heyday of WoL. He was capable of beating Stephano when Stephano was at his peak. He may not have attended many premier tournaments (since rox.kis doesn't send their players out that much), but he did lots of online tournaments, which is what WCS EU is right now.
That being said, those decisions were so weird I don't see how it could be anything other than nerves.
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On May 01 2013 03:05 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Longtimer wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)? I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals. This isn't a question of being top level but justifying the invites. If this carries on I might start thinking that all player slots should have gone to open qualifier.
Of course all players lots should have gone to open qualifiers. I don't even see how that's questionable, they just needed to secure big names in order to promote it and the partners probably felt like they didn't have enough time to do the qualifiers correctly.
Rightfully so, since they partly managed to screw up even the smaller scale ones already.
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On May 01 2013 03:03 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. yes, that's exactly what I said
And I had your back!
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So long sb46 from Strelok...
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On May 01 2013 03:04 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal. You can find a random ladder person with 1500 games, it still won't give him nerves of steel playing Thorzain with a WCS spot on the line. Many people are saying "i haven't heard too much about him" which obviously translates into "he doesn't have that much high-play experience", which of course makes it natural for him to be nervous.
Which is obviously complete bullshit because he has a lot of experience and is familiar with high-pressure situations. Yes, maybe he's nervous, but not more than Thorzain, that's for sure. Maybe something is bothering him, but he's not more nervous by nature.
If you haven't heard much of him, it's not his fault, it's yours.
On May 01 2013 03:08 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:03 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. yes, that's exactly what I said And I had your back!
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On May 01 2013 03:06 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
I'm a Thorzain fan as well but that is just not true. His lategame TvP is very good but by no means as insurmountable as you described.
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On May 01 2013 03:02 Longtimer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)? I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals.
They arent SHIT.They are OUR EU Progamers and represent us.I ma not there only because I am like 15 yers older than any of them and there wasnt SC or Internet where I was 13 or 14 as Life or Maru.I think I got the right to criticize and tell something is wrong or ugly if its the true or not? We got the liberty to do this here if the manners are OK,right?
If you try to compare Messi with some player from another Team you can easily say whos better or NOT? Can you do this? I suppose all the newpapers are full with professional players or coaches writing about football right?Come on.We need to realise,our players are not so good and they need more practice.If everyone is like you saying them :"dont be worry,you are mortal.Its ok" They will never improve and the WCS EU and NA will be only WSC KR 2 and KR 3.The WCS finals will be 15 Koreans+1 Foreigner invited by Blizzard.
I suppose for you Koreans are nor mortals then.They do mistakes as well,but not that HUUUUGE mistakes in the supposly Premier League.This almost seems Code B or less...
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On May 01 2013 03:06 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
Except Naniwa played beyond horrible this CK game, playing mass zeals/archons/immortals and wondering why he was getting stomped by 25+ Ghosts...
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On May 01 2013 03:06 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
Yeah, well, I remember Titan beating MarineKing with ease, that doesn't mean it's relevant now and the player in question is still on the same level in this matchup or in general.
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does Strelok play only mech every game every matchup now? i don't think I've seen him play a non-mech game in HotS.
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Strelok's drop control is not very good.
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On May 01 2013 03:09 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:04 n0ise wrote:On May 01 2013 03:02 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal. You can find a random ladder person with 1500 games, it still won't give him nerves of steel playing Thorzain with a WCS spot on the line. Many people are saying "i haven't heard too much about him" which obviously translates into "he doesn't have that much high-play experience", which of course makes it natural for him to be nervous. Which is obviously complete bullshit because he has a lot of experience and is familiar with high-pressure situations. Yes, maybe he's nervous, but not more than Thorzain, that's for sure. Maybe something is bothering him, but he's not more nervous by nature. If you haven't heard much of him, it's not his fault, it's yours. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:08 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 03:03 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. yes, that's exactly what I said And I had your back!
I'd try to clarify my point, but that would just mean rewriting my initial post. I know who his, I played him more than I can count, and if someone hasn't heard of him, I definitely wouldn't 'fault' him for it, rofl.
Then again, you seem to think that Titan and TZ have played at the same level and have similar experience with the game, so I'm probably not managing my time very well to start with.
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So much bad decision making.
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On May 01 2013 03:11 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Longtimer wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)? I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals. They arent SHIT.They are OUR EU Progamers and represent us.I ma not there only because I am like 15 yers older than any of them and there wasnt SC or Internet where I was 13 or 14 as Life or Maru.I think I got the right to criticize and tell something is wrong or ugly if its the true or not? We got the liberty to do this here if the manners are OK,right? If you try to compare Messi with some player from another Team you can easily say whos better or NOT? Can you do this? I suppose all the newpapers are full with professional players or coaches writing about football right?Come on.We need to realise,our players are not so good and they need more practice.If everyone is like you saying them :"dont be worry,you are mortal.Its ok" They will never improve and the WCS EU and NA will be only WSC KR 2 and KR 3.The WCS finals will be 15 Koreans+1 Foreigner invited by Blizzard. I suppose for you Koreans are nor mortals then.They do mistakes as well,but not that HUUUUGE mistakes in the supposly Premier League.This almost seems Code B or less...
What the actual fuck...
I surrender.
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All those 1v1's with Flo are clearly paying off
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Is daybreak in the map pool? This series might never end if it is.
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On May 01 2013 03:16 Swords wrote:
Is daybreak in the map pool? This series might never end if it is.
yes, we saw it twice already today, didn't we?
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I love bio vs mech . So intense .
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I feel like Strelock goes mech in every matchup. Is that true? I don't think I've seen him go bio once - just Hellbat drops into Hellbat/tank/mine.
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On May 01 2013 03:17 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:16 Swords wrote:
Is daybreak in the map pool? This series might never end if it is. yes, we saw it twice already today, didn't we?
Whoops! I was so disgusted by Titan/Thorzain game 3 I swept it from my mind.
And I missed Strelock vs. Ret
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The audio of the casting isn't properly balanced and it's very annoying (right side is much louder than left). Sorry if it has been mentioned before.
And yes, strelok mechs (almost?) exclusively.
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6 mins without building a single suppply depot from 153 supply.Come on Strelok...What am I watching???
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20 minutes, then I can finally watch Champions League instead. :D
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On May 01 2013 03:20 Dvriel wrote:
6 mins without building a single suppply depot from 153 supply.Come on Strelok...What am I watching???
Finally made 3!
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Maps for ThorZaIN vs. Strelok are:
1. Newkirk Precinct
2. Akilon Wastes
3. Neo Planet S
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I hate going bio on TvT because of hellbats. Hellions are much better at killing them quickly, specially once you get bf.
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26 min Tripple Supply depot! The new ultimate Terran late game Strategy.IN CRE DI BLE!!!
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On May 01 2013 03:13 Schelim wrote:
does Strelok play only mech every game every matchup now? i don't think I've seen him play a non-mech game in HotS.
Yes he does mech only
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The infamous 199 supply block, it drives me crazy everytime D:
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On May 01 2013 03:22 Shawngood wrote:
Maps for ThorZaIN vs. Strelok are:
1. Newkirk Precinct
2. Akilon Wastes
3. Neo Planet S
Thanks Shawn!
So we'll see hellbat drops on the next map for sure.
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On May 01 2013 03:23 .maLice. wrote:
What a boring TvT...
im entertained lol
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How is Thorzain maxed but seems to have no army?
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On May 01 2013 03:21 StarVe wrote:
20 minutes, then I can finally watch Champions League instead. :D
On my way to the bar right now :-)
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On May 01 2013 03:23 Porishan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:13 Schelim wrote:
does Strelok play only mech every game every matchup now? i don't think I've seen him play a non-mech game in HotS. Yes he does mech only
awesome, thank you :D
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This game is a mess, not the level of play I expected from either players...
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noooo i wanted to see the shittalk
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On May 01 2013 03:25 Thrax wrote:
This game is a mess, not the level of play I expected from either players...
It's been entertaining at least, unlike the Titan vs. Thorzain series
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Strelok the passionate perfectionist. ^^
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Been 2 times that aAa is lagging,just ban them already.
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Finally stuff is happening and my stream slows down to a crawl.
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Yay, Strelok! Go for the 4-0!
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Yeah let's not do that again
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Strelok doing well today. 1 game from 1st place in the group
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Why on earth are these threads mostly filled with people bitching about the level of play from EU players? If you don't want to watch it, don't watch WCS EU.
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my stream just died for like 5 mins straight into gg
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Not impressed by Thorzains play, Strelok clearly deserves to win this group today.
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On May 01 2013 03:28 Bagi wrote:
Finally stuff is happening and my stream slows down to a crawl.
Not only on your end. Got that hickup too.
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Strelok is a new better player in hots.
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I didnt think this was a bad game. Really nice agression with mech by Strelok.
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mech > bio/tank > airterran > mech
Thorzain transition to slow, no airdominance.
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Omg Strelok what an awesome mech play right there...big GG!
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strelok The Ambitious Terran
nice back and forth game
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I cant believe this!!! Finally Strelok wins!!! If Thorzain watch the replay and realise Strelok was 153 supply block about 7 min in game time he will be kicking his head in the wall...
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sooooooooooooooo
WCS or Real v BVB?
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On May 01 2013 03:29 Bagi wrote:
Not impressed by Thorzains play, Strelok clearly deserves to win this group today.
There wasn't much he could do in fairness other than play Mech himself, such a perfect Mech map.
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On May 01 2013 03:29 Evangelist wrote:
Why on earth are these threads mostly filled with people bitching about the level of play from EU players? If you don't want to watch it, don't watch WCS EU.
The usually foreigner haters. Even if it was the best game in history they would still say it suck
Just ignore them
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Strelok most consistent player in this group so far. I think he goes out unscathed.
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On May 01 2013 03:31 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:29 Bagi wrote:
Not impressed by Thorzains play, Strelok clearly deserves to win this group today. There wasn't much he could do in fairness other than play Mech himself, such a perfect Mech map.
He could have gotton airdominance.
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On May 01 2013 03:30 n0ise wrote:
sooooooooooooooo
WCS or Real v BVB?
Why not both ?
\o/
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On May 01 2013 03:30 n0ise wrote:
sooooooooooooooo
WCS or Real v BVB?
2 monitors ftw :D We don't have champion's league on at bars in the states so I have no reason to leave.
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Does thorzain know that Strelok plays mech in all 3 matchups now?
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On May 01 2013 03:31 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:31 Mackus wrote:On May 01 2013 03:29 Bagi wrote:
Not impressed by Thorzains play, Strelok clearly deserves to win this group today. There wasn't much he could do in fairness other than play Mech himself, such a perfect Mech map. He could have gotton airdominance.
Strelok was making Thors towards the end which counteracts that, I was thinking maybe Battlecruisers instead of Ravens but what the hell too late now.
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On May 01 2013 03:32 freerolll wrote:
Does thorzain know that Strelok plays mech in all 3 matchups now?
I'd hope he does.
That should be like the first thing you research about your opponents.
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On May 01 2013 03:32 freerolll wrote:
Does thorzain know that Strelok plays mech in all 3 matchups now?
Hard to say since I can't read minds but I'd assume he has done enough research to know it.
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all of sudden Strelok goes mmm in second game #mindgame
actually he doesn't
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That medivac is actually pretty clever by Strelok, keeping an eye on this opponent and sniping units with mines.
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Thorzain is so far behind this early on its almost not winnable from here unless you turtle hard.
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The worst micro with banshee I ve ever seen...Two of them straight in the main and the last one directly into the Raven... Whats next?
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according to ToD, Strelok is fruity.
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twitch going full foreigner, if it makes any sense
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If strelok got a seeker on the marines and put the mine down game would most likely have ended right there D:
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Heh, Strelok getting supply blocked to the point Thorzain's able to equal him
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Thorzain really doesn't like turrets.
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strelok= goody 2.0 always mech, always supply blocked
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I don't really understand Thorzains play here, he's going bio but not really even trying to drop or do multi-pronged aggression.
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On May 01 2013 03:44 Killmouse wrote:
strelok= goody 2.0 always mech, always supply blocked
Hellbat General
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strelok is pretty good at dropping hellbats
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Strelok just killed the ZaIN.
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Well. Certainly did not expect that to happen.
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Congrats Strelok! His mech play looked very solid today
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STREEEEEELOOOOOOK! MECH :D
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That was painfully bad play from thorzain
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Holy Strelok, 4-0 ezpz, gg wp.
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Building turrets is really hard...
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Strelok looked much stronger than Thorzain in those games.
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Thorzain But Strelok played really damn well
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Strelok locked down ThorZain.
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Well Strelok shows whos the boss here
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Strelok \o/
I hope the CIS guys won't have problems with visa
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sweet position of tanks and mult drops by mech
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Why does everyone ignore static defenses in vT matchups?
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Man, what the hell, Thorzain?
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Ret might actually advance, given how Titan and Thorzain have been playing.
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Strelok going 4-0 in the group, didn't really expect that
Thorzain has fallen off though lately =/
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gg Strelok, Thorzain not looking good in those games :/
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Good games from Strelok, good job man!
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Mr.Casanova wins
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Not bad.
Now, if only Ret could advance I'd be a happy camper.
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Mechterran advanced niiiiiice
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really nice to see Strelok winning. GJ !
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On May 01 2013 03:46 Drigger wrote:
Ret might actually advance, given how Titan and Thorzain have been playing.
I doubt it. PvZ was always Titans best match-up. I expect Titan to 2-0 Ret
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Strelok showing why he tore through the open brackets while the others got invites
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Strelok must have upped his game recently. He had a decent run at DreamHack, and now with this result... Reminds me of earlier WoL days
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Thats so cool ESL listens to adience, to interview player inbetween matches to fill downtime
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WP Strelok, nice drops with hellbats = so strong.
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On May 01 2013 03:48 govie wrote:Thats so cool ESL listens to adience, to interview player inbetween matches to fill downtime
And the player stats/information was also community feedback. ESL does a good job to be honest, and this is only the first WCS EU :D
Edit - Also congratz to Strelok, totally deserved.
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On May 01 2013 03:47 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:46 Drigger wrote:
Ret might actually advance, given how Titan and Thorzain have been playing. I doubt it. PvZ was always Titans best match-up. I expect Titan to 2-0 Ret
Actually his PvP was usually his best matchup. I still think Ret is favoured here, both didn't play well in their first series but I'd be a bit surprised if Titan manages to win here.
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On May 01 2013 03:47 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:46 Drigger wrote:
Ret might actually advance, given how Titan and Thorzain have been playing. I doubt it. PvZ was always Titans best match-up. I expect Titan to 2-0 Ret
Ret is awesome ZvP right now, he dispatched pretty much every korean toss he played (First, MC, Sage), I think Grubby was the only toss to take a series from him in HotS so far?
At least it's gonna be a good game, don't think it will go 2-0 either way but I could see Ret 2-0 easier than Titan
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On May 01 2013 03:47 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:46 Drigger wrote:
Ret might actually advance, given how Titan and Thorzain have been playing. I doubt it. PvZ was always Titans best match-up. I expect Titan to 2-0 Ret
Ret has shown some pretty good ZvP in HotS though, I would not count him out so quickly.
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Interview with Strelok? instantly remindes me of NASL. Which creates mixed feelings. :/
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Tod is slowely becoming top 3 caster for me
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gg Strelok. Victory goes to the one who clearly played best.
I hope we see Ret vs Thorzain. :p
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On May 01 2013 03:49 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:48 govie wrote:Thats so cool ESL listens to adience, to interview player inbetween matches to fill downtime And the player stats/information was also community feedback. ESL does a good job to be honest, and this is only the first WCS EU :D
Even GSL doesnt interview the winner in downtime. This is really really good from ESL next to the stats/info
Esl is awesome
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Woah winners interview right after the game, really nice job ESL :3
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What is this, and is that Kas commentating?
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On May 01 2013 03:50 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:49 Godwrath wrote:On May 01 2013 03:48 govie wrote:Thats so cool ESL listens to adience, to interview player inbetween matches to fill downtime And the player stats/information was also community feedback. ESL does a good job to be honest, and this is only the first WCS EU :D Even GSL doesnt interview the winner in downtime. This is really really good from ESL next to the stats/info Esl is awesome
For some time they were doing english interviews on GSL, i don't know why they stopped them.
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This makes me nostalgic for NASL when Strelok would always interview after every win and talk about how he perfectly countered someone's style.
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Hehe Strelok interview love them!
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is shine the new MVPKeen?
but zergier?
:O
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On May 01 2013 03:51 AlternativeEgo wrote:What is this, and is that Kas commentating?
EMS, Luci won 2-0 against Bratok, VortiX up 1-0 vs Beasty and vipro will play Happy later. Dunno who's commentating, I was watching muted.
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Strelok is pretty interesting to listen to.
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really good interview with Strelok
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On May 01 2013 03:52 stuchiu wrote:
This makes me nostalgic for NASL when Strelok would always interview after every win and talk about how he perfectly countered someone's style.
Those were the days, I love how confident and eager Strelok is.
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Wow, what´s up with Strelok? Didn´t watch the games.
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I love strelok, he needs a radio show
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Strelok such a nice guy, genuinely happy for him <3
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On May 01 2013 03:52 stuchiu wrote:
This makes me nostalgic for NASL when Strelok would always interview after every win and talk about how he perfectly countered someone's style.
We should get the cam up aswell, love those carpets on the wall :D
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On May 01 2013 03:55 Daswollvieh wrote:
Wow, what´s up with Strelok? Didn´t watch the games.
Goody 2.0
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On May 01 2013 03:56 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:55 Daswollvieh wrote:
Wow, what´s up with Strelok? Didn´t watch the games. Goody 2.0
psh, goody is goody, this is Strelok 2.0 :o
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On May 01 2013 03:52 stuchiu wrote:
This makes me nostalgic for NASL when Strelok would always interview after every win and talk about how he perfectly countered someone's style.
Speaking of nostalgia, whenever I see Strelok I think of him winning the HD World Tournament that HDStarcraft organized 2 years ago.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HD_World_Tournament
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What i also like about interviews is that a playername becomes more then just a name. It gives the player some character for the viewers
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I'm so so glad Strelok proves wrong the people who were continuously underestimating him and making silly jokes. When he plays his best, he is one of the best European players for sure, and can take out some Koreans too.
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Kevin van der Kooi @RotterdaM08 I would highly appreciate it if the @UEFAcom could communicate better with @StarCraft next year to make sure the CL & WCS don't clash.
:D
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dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place.
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Great, then I´ll be looking forward to seeing more of him. I already feel the storylines building up.
btw it´s great to see players like Strelok getting a chance to compete and prove themselves.
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On May 01 2013 03:53 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:51 AlternativeEgo wrote:What is this, and is that Kas commentating? EMS, Luci won 2-0 against Bratok, VortiX up 1-0 vs Beasty and vipro will play Happy later. Dunno who's commentating, I was watching muted.
Cool, thanks for link and info (it is Kas but I don't understand anything that they are saying).
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On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place.
I don't think Thorzain has had a single good tournament in HOTS yet.
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When I think of Strelok I think of he vs Idra (for I think NASL? long time ago) in his pregame vid he says he crafted strategies specifically for Idra. Ended up losing 2-0.
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On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place.
would be fun if TL would release the odds on liquibets once the votes are closed
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On May 01 2013 04:02 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place. I don't think Thorzain has had a single good tournament in HOTS yet.
didn't see his mlg and dh games, but these were so derpy games compared to the good old master jane
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On May 01 2013 04:03 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place. would be fun if TL would release the odds on liquibets once the votes are closed
Any non-Korean tournament being on liquibet is just a crime =(
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On May 01 2013 04:02 Zenbrez wrote:
When I think of Strelok I think of he vs Idra (for I think NASL? long time ago) in his pregame vid he says he crafted strategies specifically for Idra. Ended up losing 2-0.
when i think of strelok i think of him saying something along these lines "goody is so bad you don't know know how horrible it feels to lose to such a bad player" after some 1 hour long tankfest
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On May 01 2013 04:04 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:03 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place. would be fun if TL would release the odds on liquibets once the votes are closed Any non-Korean tournament being on liquibet is just a crime =(
If there are proleague liquibets everything is fair game.
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I have no idea what's Ret doing.
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On May 01 2013 04:04 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:03 DOUDOU wrote:On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place. would be fun if TL would release the odds on liquibets once the votes are closed Any non-Korean tournament being on liquibet is just a crime =(
Nonsense. I had a sick voting streak when NASL got on. ^^
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3 hallocinated phoenix, and he still doesn't see it
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I think Ret thought Titan had scouted the spire and then decide to go hydra.
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On May 01 2013 04:06 Sent. wrote:
I have no idea what's Ret doing.
He just baited robo bay by building hydra den and he will transition into muta after some pressure from hydras.
As I write it he makes corruptors. Well...
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Roach hydra corruptor. Welcome back Wol beta, I've missed you.
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Man, Ret used to play better than this. :-/
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Finally getting vipers. Too bad Titan has all the tech needed to kill him already.
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I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style.
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On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place.
Watching him play in dreamhack and ret and strelok aswell I actualy bet on strelok and ret making it out!
Ret had a good showing and I had seen like 10 games between strelok, lucifron and yugioh and strelok looked real strong
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5 base toss vs 3 base zerg. Only one way it can end.
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Oh god just leave the game Ret! Finally!
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Ret you can't fight that tier 3 army with roach/hydra
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urlg, I feel my liquibets slowly slipping away :\
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I think Ret is going down to challenger league. His play is just not premier league level atm
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On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style.
Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p
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On May 01 2013 04:13 freerolll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:00 hastur420 wrote:
dafuq happened with thorzain? 1 year ago he would have been the favorite in this group, like 1:10 odds of not advancing 1st place. Watching him play in dreamhack and ret and strelok aswell I actualy bet on strelok and ret making it out! Ret had a good showing and I had seen like 10 games between strelok, lucifron and yugioh and strelok looked real strong
and you think in this game ret had a good showing?
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Man... how can a progamer micro so bad? He gave all the hydras for free.
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Titan is really scared of 6 pools man.
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On May 01 2013 04:16 Bagration wrote:Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p
To be fair, this wasn't a NR25 game since Ret did try to attack and deal damage. He just failed miserably.
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On May 01 2013 04:16 Bagration wrote:Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p
play will be better in ro16, those are off-line too
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On May 01 2013 04:16 Bagration wrote:Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p
The School of IdrA and its students...
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Liquid with their massive mediocre Zerg lineup while their only terran and their only protoss win everything
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On May 01 2013 04:16 Bagration wrote:Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p
ey, why you don't play straight up?
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I don't understand at all what Ret was going for. Roach / hydra. No upgrade. Late vipers...
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On May 01 2013 04:19 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:16 Bagration wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p ey, why you don't play straight up?
Short attention span, and sometimes when you have about 20-30 minutes of time to kill, you just want to play a few quick games.
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On May 01 2013 04:19 Schelim wrote:Liquid with their massive mediocre Zerg lineup while their only terran and their only protoss win everything
Yes, I wonder what else is different between their Zergs and their T/P...
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On May 01 2013 04:18 Godwrath wrote:
Titan is really scared of 6 pools man.
When was the last time you saw Ret 6 pool lol ?
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On May 01 2013 04:21 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:19 Schelim wrote:Liquid with their massive mediocre Zerg lineup while their only terran and their only protoss win everything Yes, I wonder what else is different between their Zergs and their T/P...
Zenio has been wondering about the same thing for at least a year now
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On May 01 2013 04:21 Bermuda wrote:When was the last time you saw Ret 6 pool lol ?
I said it because he was scouting really early everytime. Maybe he thought that Ret was going mindgame him and do something totally unexpected...
... + Show Spoiler +
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On May 01 2013 04:21 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:21 Heartland wrote:On May 01 2013 04:19 Schelim wrote:Liquid with their massive mediocre Zerg lineup while their only terran and their only protoss win everything Yes, I wonder what else is different between their Zergs and their T/P... Zenio has been wondering about the same thing for at least a year now
Haha! True that.
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Real vs Dortmund is so terrible. >.<
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i seriously dont know why titans pvz opener isnt the standard p opening, its just soo good
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On May 01 2013 04:22 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:21 Bermuda wrote:On May 01 2013 04:18 Godwrath wrote:
Titan is really scared of 6 pools man. When was the last time you saw Ret 6 pool lol ? I said it because he was scouting really early everytime. Maybe he thought that Ret was going mindgame him and do something totally unexpected... ... + Show Spoiler +
Imagine if one day that happened. We all would be like : wtf !?
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On May 01 2013 04:23 Grumbels wrote:
Real vs Dortmund is so terrible. >.<
Yeah, I would definitely not call them Code S.
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On May 01 2013 04:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:19 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 04:16 Bagration wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Yup, me too. And the funniest thing is that some people consider that NR25 games to be true "macro" games, and that any other games are just cheese and not skill-worthy :p ey, why you don't play straight up? Short attention span, and sometimes when you have about 20-30 minutes of time to kill, you just want to play a few quick games.
Nice. Every time a player goes for some early aggression there is at least one guy calling him out for being the lesser player who doesn't dare to play "straight up". I find that to be a very boring and sad mindset.
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On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style.
Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types.
The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch.
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I love how ToD just learn new english words along the way
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On May 01 2013 04:27 Empirimancer wrote:
He's been what?
Thwarted
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On May 01 2013 04:27 Tidus Mino wrote:Thwarted
what ?
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Hahah "He has been what" God ToD always cracks me up
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tod is learning so much
not starcraft, he's 10 on EU ladder, no, he's learning english
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I like his adjustments this game better than the last, though Daybreak doesn't really allow for strong aggression like that.
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Loving Titan's game, though the phoenix will probably turn out redundant soon enough.
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Imagine if Titan hadn't repeatedly overextended when Ret was attacking him? His army would be much bigger right now.
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This is going to be game.
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Haha, I wonder if ToD really didnt know the word, or he thought he heard something else.
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Well, Ret wins this, but it is still Roach Hydra Corruptor...
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On May 01 2013 04:28 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:27 Tidus Mino wrote:On May 01 2013 04:27 Empirimancer wrote:
He's been what? Thwarted what ?
It's another word for prevented
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Titan loves fighting when he doesn't have a big army and his opponent has a giant one.
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Much better game from Ret. I thought he was screwed when he started making 10 mutas against 5 phoenix, but he turned it around.
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Titan should stop relying on chargelots, they're not helping at all
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Oh my god, a zerg flanked and that actually help him win the game.
I wonder if he's up to something that can improve the whole zerg race huuuum
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ToD improving his english in the middle of the cast is so awesome
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On May 01 2013 04:30 Bagi wrote:
Much better game from Ret. I thought he was screwed when he started making 10 mutas against 5 phoenix, but he turned it around.
Unfortunately Ret didn't turn anything, Titan threw the game.
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Nice flanks, pretty good comeback by Ret, I felt like he was pretty damn behind after the phoenix opener.
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Titan is winning all his games in this group so far and gives away the win in 50% of them.
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On May 01 2013 04:30 Sent. wrote:
Titan should stop relying on chargelots, they're not helping at all
In the Thorzain games and in this game Titan loves doing tons of harass and and then when he has a small army and no reinforcements (because he just warped chargelots in to harass) he likes to attack into his opponents much larger army instead of playing defensively.
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On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch.
Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
Edit: nvm. told the opposite
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That was a totally different Ret than the one we saw in the previous game
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So much of titan's army supply was tied up in 2 zealot attacks and a phoenix harass when ret attacked him, that he was crushed.
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On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
Isn't wc3 the exact opposite? You have to attack early.
Edit: I have no real clue either, just what I heard
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Titan would make a great quarterback, because he's just been making throws!
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On May 01 2013 04:32 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots. Isn't wc3 the exact opposite? You have to attack early.
haha yeah I have no idea, it was just a thought that popped up xD
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On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
Uhm, wc3 was like the opposite of 'no rush' so I don't think that would have anything to do with it.
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On May 01 2013 04:28 DOUDOU wrote:
tod is learning so much
not starcraft, he's 10 on EU ladder, no, he's learning english
I dont mind his accent and when its about caster skillz he is Top 3 for me ezzz
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On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
try not attacking in wc3 for 25 minutes and winning the game lol. especially if you don't play human.
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On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
nope. Also you have players from wc3 that are pretty aggressive.
It's just foreigners use to cut less corners than KR's for the most part and don't have the same multitask.
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On May 01 2013 04:34 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
It's funny, the former Brood War players are more known for cheesing (White-Ra, Dimaga) while the WC3 players play more standard. I think it's because they had to learn SC2 from scratch and decided to completely model their gameplay on what the community felt was the 'right way to play'. (these observations aren't really statistically significant, but I think there might be some truth to it, since I read an interview of a WC3 player where he said he based his game on what Day[9] said in his daily ^^)
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Thanks guys. I can lay that thought to rest. ^_^
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On May 01 2013 04:35 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots. try not attacking in wc3 for 25 minutes and winning the game lol. especially if you don't play human.
i did that, it's possible
it was usually a mass frost wyrm vs mass wyvern type of game (off 1 base)
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On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots.
I really don't know why it is. In Dota the Europeans are much more aggressive than the Asian teams, so it's not something in the culture.
It probably has something to do with Europeans being slower players than Koreans so very aggressive multitasking styles won't work as well where as sitting back and making a maxed deathball is easier if you're a slower player.
But there's definitely more to it than that because some Europeans are quite fast players but they generally still love to play no rush.
Perhaps it's because in Korea you know who your opponent will be in a tournament so prepared aggressive or cheesy builds are more likely to work because you can cater them to your opponent. In Europe there's basically almost only weekend LAN's or weekly cups which better suit bland, generic but safe builds you can use every game you play (ahem Kas/Happy/Ret) because you need builds which work against any opponent.
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ret
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Now this is going to be a fun game
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Uh Ret, hellooooo cancel?
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Wow!! impressive performance from Strelok I see! Qualifier going 4-0!
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send this in to bronze league heroes :D
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nothing new just ret going hatch 1st vs protoss since 2010
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On May 01 2013 04:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 04:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 04:12 -_- wrote:
I really hate Euro/NA NR25 minutes style. Unfair to put NA in that boat imo, they might not be very good but they aren't really no rush types. The NR25 virus is a mostly EU thing and yes it is painful to watch. Do you think wc3 might have something to do with it? Just thinking out loud here, I didn't watch that game, but it seems like many of the NR guys have wc3 roots. I really don't know why it is. In Dota the Europeans are much more aggressive than the Asian teams, so it's not something in the culture. It probably has something to do with Europeans being slower players than Koreans so very aggressive multitasking styles won't work as well where as sitting back and making a maxed deathball is easier if you're a slower player. But there's definitely more to it than that because some Europeans are quite fast players but they generally still love to play no rush. Perhaps it's because in Korea you know who your opponent will be in a tournament so prepared aggressive or cheesy builds are more likely to work because you can cater them to your opponent. In Europe there's basically almost only weekend LAN's or weekly cups which better suit bland, generic but safe builds you can use every game you play (ahem Kas/Happy/Ret) because you need builds which work against any opponent.
warcraft 3 != dota
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If Ret win it will be the worst throw from Titan in his life.
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If Titan throws this, he really is the king of throws.
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On May 01 2013 04:45 _whiteness_ wrote:
If Ret win it will be the worst throw from Titan in his life.
I mean, he's been one-upping his throws every game so far.
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if Titan loses this game i'll put the condom on my head the next time i have sex
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Awesome decission making by titan.
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very bad day for ret it looks like, whatever it may be this is the worst he has played in hots so far T_T
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nooo! poor ret
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Zergs should stop going hatch first.
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Wow Ret last in his group, I don't think many people expected this.
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Over/under on thrown games in this next series?
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Let's hope Titan has enough focus left not to derp against Thorzain again.
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What the hell was Ret thinking, I mean he is one game short of elimination and he opens hatch 1st vs. P?
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On May 01 2013 04:48 Sakkreth wrote:
Zergs should stop going hatch first.
Well, if they want to gamble...
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So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world?
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If Strelok and Titan advance... I'm loving the previews as of late :3
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ThorZain, you've never let me down
you can do this..please..
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On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world?
No? Who claimed that?
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On May 01 2013 04:45 Swords wrote:
If Titan throws this, he really is the king of throws.
Last is the King of Throws. He was the first to get reverse swept in a Bo7 (OSL against Rain), then did it again against MC (OSL 3rd place match).
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On May 01 2013 04:48 Bagi wrote:
Wow Ret last in his group, I don't think many people expected this.
Well eastern europeans are usually underrated and I did expect Strelok to beat him.
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On May 01 2013 04:48 Sakkreth wrote:
Zergs should stop going hatch first.
Exactly this. Not sure that the small difference between 15h or 15P16H is that great that you should take the risk.
Look at what happened to Jaedong vs Naniwa @ Dreamhack. Had he gone 15P he would have held that proxy gates.
Ho well! I am just a noob. lol
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Ret 
Wasn't expecting that at all in this group to be honest.
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And now c'mon ThorZaiN! ^^
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On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world?
Top-3 foreign zerg once upon a time perhaps.
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On May 01 2013 04:48 Bagi wrote:
Wow Ret last in his group, I don't think many people expected this.
After seeing strelok qualify for wcs-eu i knew he would have a pretty good shot in wcs-eu. He plays pretty standard every game, but it works for him and thorzain doesnt have so much practise against EU-tvt mech. After strelok, i would have chosen thorzain for sure. So it seems my prediction may come true.
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On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world?
No. And no one has ever said that. Ever.
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On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world?
Lol there's a few koreans that would like a word with you.
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I was hoping for Strelok and Ret to advance from this group initially. But I underestimated that they are paired up first, which means the guy who loses may go on tilt a little bit and have trouble to play the other two needed matches well enough.
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why are you guys acting like it's unexpected that Ret of all people may not have been practicing much lately
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On May 01 2013 04:50 Sakkreth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:48 Bagi wrote:
Wow Ret last in his group, I don't think many people expected this. Well eastern europeans are usually underrated and I did expect Strelok to beat him.
strelok was pretty useless in wings ;p people are still getting over the shock of strelok putting up results so far
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On May 01 2013 04:52 Schelim wrote:why are you guys acting like it's unexpected that Ret of all people may not have been practicing much lately
He did reach group stage 3 in dreamhack when players like Mana did not.
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On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever.
Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't.
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On May 01 2013 04:54 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:52 Schelim wrote:why are you guys acting like it's unexpected that Ret of all people may not have been practicing much lately He did reach group stage 3 in dreamhack when players like Mana did not.
He lost to a nice cheese, because he wasnt paying attention. shit happens.
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On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't.
i demand proofs
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On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't.
ive heard people call destiny a top 5 zerg. People say stupid shit; get over it ;P
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On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't.
Never heard of such thing tbh :o
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On May 01 2013 04:55 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:54 pmp10 wrote:On May 01 2013 04:52 Schelim wrote:why are you guys acting like it's unexpected that Ret of all people may not have been practicing much lately He did reach group stage 3 in dreamhack when players like Mana did not. He lost to a nice cheese, because he wasnt paying attention. shit happens.
He was also the last foreigner standing in the last MLG.
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On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't.
I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount...
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Ret's performance goes up and down a lot, sort of similar to ThorZain in this group.
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Ret bounces around lately in his playstrength, but alot of people do that currently.
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@LiquidRet 2m
also to clarify the reason I played roach hyd corrupter in g1 is because he scouted my spire, but didn't react to it t.t
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On May 01 2013 04:59 Heartland wrote:
Ret's performance goes up and down a lot, sort of similar to ThorZain in this group.
Agreed, both are better in a single tournament format then a long gsl-like competition and thats fine.
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People usually called Ret "the most talented foreigner" or "one of the most talented RTS player ever" whatever that is supposed to mean.
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On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount...
I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era).
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On May 01 2013 05:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
People usually called Ret "the most talented foreigner" or "one of the most talented RTS player ever" whatever that is supposed to mean.
it means he's kinda relevant even though he claims he doesn't practice at all.
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On May 01 2013 05:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
People usually called Ret "the most talented foreigner" or "one of the most talented RTS player ever" whatever that is supposed to mean.
that phrase gets thrown around a lot. "X player has so much potential!"
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Ret won the European Battle.net Invitational in 2011 and at that time he did look like the best in Europe.
Today he doesn't get in the ""Code S""-clone of Europe. So yeah, things have changed, I guess.
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On May 01 2013 05:01 Heartland wrote:
@LiquidRet 2m
also to clarify the reason I played roach hyd corrupter in g1 is because he scouted my spire, but didn't react to it t.t
Yeps, I was thinking that was the reason. But Ret didn't knew that Titan never scouted his spire. So basically lack of scouting was actually a good thing there hehe
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On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL.
I wouldn't say there were that many.
There was a time post Dimaga and before Nerchio/Stephano/Scarlet.
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On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era).
Yes. Ret, Dimaga and Idra was often mentioned as top-3 in the beginning of sc2 (Sen is always ignored).
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I am calling DT's.
edit - meh went blink instead
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blink all-in?
Titan loves blink. not as much as fraer, but he does.
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On May 01 2013 05:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
People usually called Ret "the most talented foreigner" or "one of the most talented RTS player ever" whatever that is supposed to mean. that phrase gets thrown around a lot. "X player has so much potential!"
About as common as 'nerd chills'.
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omg if that widow mine had been targeted on probes instead of the msc D:
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soooooooo close to a disaster
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did Titan just blink to avoid a mine shot ?
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That was brilliant played by Titan
On May 01 2013 05:08 Porishan wrote:
did Titan just blink to avoid a mine shot ?
Yeps insane micro hehe
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sick move, 16 scv's + stim down
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That's the TitaN i love to see.
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On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era).
Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer...
Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course.
Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most.
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On May 01 2013 05:08 Porishan wrote:
did Titan just blink to avoid a mine shot ?
Yeap, it was a blink dodge. Anyway its over now
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Good Titan just showed up! :D
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I am loving Titan's playstyle. He is sooo good and fun to watch
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wow TitaN....that was impressive.
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On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most.
Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now?
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Just shows again how different EU scene is compared to NA as thorzain is struggling..
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On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most.
Once upon a time Idra was a pro gamer that was very successful.
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At last Titan didn't do the same build PvT he has been doing for the last days. That was awesome.
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On May 01 2013 05:08 Porishan wrote:
did Titan just blink to avoid a mine shot ?
He sent 2 stalkers towards the marauders and blink away while the mine triggered on its own units. Mind-blown.
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On May 01 2013 05:11 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most. Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now?
But what about the potato salad?
In other words, TitaN is one game away from my 2/2 liquibet.
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Sick blink stalker micro. Dodging the Mines... twice. Wow.
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On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most.
Zerg was never the least mechanical one. If you're talking the least demanding of APM, it was always protoss.
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TitaN fighting!![[image loading]](https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_background_images/733291551/c468e9fdb59f694d81e4cb4096d3c8be.jpeg)
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to be fair, Kaelaris uses some strange vocabulary from time to time. but this is really funny :D
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On May 01 2013 05:13 Benjamin99 wrote:
Hahaha ToD
Scout?
What did he say?^^
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On May 01 2013 05:12 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:11 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most. Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now? But what about the potato salad? In other words, TitaN is one game away from my 2/2 liquibet.
Yeah what about it ???
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I think a lot of things will change when players hit offline qualifiers, cause it is hard to believe that no player is getting 'advices' when this is live from someone sitting next to them.
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On May 01 2013 05:14 Schelim wrote:
to be fair, Kaelaris uses some strange vocabulary from time to time. but this is really funny :D
Not strange to me
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What was the deal with that proxy barracks? Why?
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On May 01 2013 05:11 Kinon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:08 Porishan wrote:
did Titan just blink to avoid a mine shot ? He sent 2 stalkers towards the marauders and blink away while the mine triggered on its own units. Mind-blown.
grubby does that regularly
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On May 01 2013 05:15 Heartland wrote:
What was the deal with that proxy barracks? Why?
To get the reactor made while building the factory.
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On May 01 2013 05:14 Schelim wrote:
to be fair, Kaelaris uses some strange vocabulary from time to time. but this is really funny :D
British in general are using english to larger extent than Americans. Its just the way it is.
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Where's Titan from in Russia? He doesn't look like an ethnic Russian, more like Chechen.
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eh, shit. anyway, one more game, he can still do it
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What a perfectly timed gg.
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On May 01 2013 05:11 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most. Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now?
We're talking about Ret. The player who just got knocked out his group. The group to which this LR is dedicated.
There's just interesting analogy between mechanical difficulty and top foreigners. When Terran was all about rushes and two base timings, there were plenty of foreign Terrans. As macro play evolved and the skill cap increased, foreign Terrans started disappearing.
When Zerg was about macro games and harass (Speedling, Baneling, and Muta TvZ, FE), there weren't many good foreign Zergs. On the other hand, when Zerg's defense became so strong they could easily turtle to BL Infestor while deflecting any attack except an all in without Queens and Sunkens, Foreign Zergs exploded.
Pretty interesting.
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Well this is exciting. I like both players. But only one can stay in premier league I do think Titan played the best starcraft this evening.
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Aligulac favors Thorzain but only at 52%. Should be a nailbiter
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On May 01 2013 05:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Where's Titan from in Russia? He doesn't look like an ethnic Russian, more like Chechen.
His facebook says he's from Odessa, Ukraine, don't know if that's true, apparently he lives in Rostov.
https://www.facebook.com/titan.kuptsov
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So it's either NR25 or cheese jamboree :|
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hold this. hold this like it's GSL
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On May 01 2013 05:14 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:14 Schelim wrote:
to be fair, Kaelaris uses some strange vocabulary from time to time. but this is really funny :D Not strange to me
maybe it's just British vocabulary then
don't get me wrong, i understand pretty much everything Kaelaris says (i study English and American Studies), but i can see how ToD might not.
lately it has been looking like we're finally getting close to that state where players know when they've lost a game, and actually leave it. i remember when i switched from war3 over to sc2, i was really confused to see even pros not leaving the game when it was so obvious they had already lost. that was very much the opposite of the late years of war3 where you could see a player lose his hero in the middle of the map and immediately gg out because they knew there was no way to come back.
kinda cool to see players leave at a more sensible timing now. let's not talk about Idra, guys.
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Thorzain bringing out the knifes.
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On May 01 2013 05:17 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:15 Heartland wrote:
What was the deal with that proxy barracks? Why? To get the reactor made while building the factory.
Thanks
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ToD knows what he's talking about, he was up 2-0 against Lucifron and lost 3-2 after Lucifron went for the same build twice in a row and then completely mindgamed him in the third one. :D
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Stalkers are awful against hellions
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So bad executed by Thorzain to not do more damage with a super cheesy proxy drop vs nexus first.
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He held. Nice he will have more chances to throw it.
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On May 01 2013 05:26 20cts wrote:Stalkers are awful against hellions
It is like the old rock-paper-scissors from World of Roguecraft.
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On May 01 2013 05:26 Ippo wrote:
titan has this.
don't get ahead of yourself
I'm not very confident
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On May 01 2013 05:19 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:11 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most. Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now? We're talking about Ret. The player who just got knocked out his group. The group to which this LR is dedicated. There's just interesting analogy between mechanical difficulty and top foreigners. When Terran was all about rushes and two base timings, there were plenty of foreign Terrans. As macro play evolved and the skill cap increased, foreign Terrans started disappearing. When Zerg was about macro games and harass (Speedling, Baneling, and Muta TvZ, FE), there weren't many good foreign Zergs. On the other hand, when Zerg's defense became so strong they could easily turtle to BL Infestor while deflecting any attack except an all in without Queens and Sunkens, Foreign Zergs exploded. Pretty interesting.
All this is because Protoss and Zerg races are designed to be very good with their Tier 3 units in Late game.Terrans got the best units for mid game.Its not the skill.The maps also changed a lot.No more close positions,no more really small maps.
Think about Whirlwind: Huge map.Think about the Zerg and Protoss mechanichs compared to Terrans. Instant warps or Zeerg capable of building 15 ultralisks or almos 100 lings at time.You cant compare this to queing units from barracks and rally them.Even transporting them in Speedmedivacs.Everybody know this.Huge maps are not Terran friendly.They are MACRO friendly,but its not the best the Terran race got.Drops or runbies with stim is the best they do and kiting as hell or splitting units.All of this requieres skill and multitasking.Zerg and Protoss just amove and warp or make units and spawn larvae.No need to micro almost.Its not the same.
Think about maps like Atlatis Spaceship.Why do you think MVP went for 2rax vs Squirtle in this final map??
Pretty interesting.
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On May 01 2013 05:27 Zheryn wrote:
So bad executed by Thorzain to not do more damage with a super cheesy proxy drop vs nexus first.
Cheesy but I realy like the build ;p
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Titan's probe splitting leaves a lot to be desired ...
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Such a much better game than the others.
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fuck, now he's pretty dead
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On May 01 2013 05:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Titan's probe splitting leaves a lot to be desired ...
I can't see the probe splitting, the stream lags every time something interesting happens
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On May 01 2013 05:19 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:11 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most. Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now? We're talking about Ret. The player who just got knocked out his group. The group to which this LR is dedicated. There's just interesting analogy between mechanical difficulty and top foreigners. When Terran was all about rushes and two base timings, there were plenty of foreign Terrans. As macro play evolved and the skill cap increased, foreign Terrans started disappearing. When Zerg was about macro games and harass (Speedling, Baneling, and Muta TvZ, FE), there weren't many good foreign Zergs. On the other hand, when Zerg's defense became so strong they could easily turtle to BL Infestor while deflecting any attack except an all in without Queens and Sunkens, Foreign Zergs exploded. Pretty interesting.
"Before the queen patch, Goody took games off Nestea. After the patch, he could no longer keep up. Pretty interesting."
Aaaanyways, It's a lot of fun to have ToD tell about his ladder-losses to the players in the tournament. He brings so much as a caster.
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On May 01 2013 05:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Titan's probe splitting leaves a lot to be desired ...
Shouldn't have stuck to Russian WW1 tactics.
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On May 01 2013 05:29 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Titan's probe splitting leaves a lot to be desired ... I can't see the probe splitting, the stream lags every time something interesting happens
WCS must be trying to censor the stream
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Suddenly equal worker count, chrono is pretty good.
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Thorzain is making sure the game won't look one sided
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On May 01 2013 05:30 Sent. wrote:
Thorzain is making sure the game won't look one sided
your sig gets me every time t.t
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On May 01 2013 05:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:29 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 05:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Titan's probe splitting leaves a lot to be desired ... I can't see the probe splitting, the stream lags every time something interesting happens WCS must be trying to censor the stream
Yeah probably. This LR thread is so slow I get double posts, in GSL there'd be like two pages between them.
Sad to see TitaN die a slow and painful death, I wish he could've managed to advance.
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On May 01 2013 05:27 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:19 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:11 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 05:09 -_- wrote:On May 01 2013 05:03 Xacez wrote:On May 01 2013 04:58 BeyondCtrL wrote:On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't. I'm sure that was in a dream, or in a club house exclusively made for Plastic League players. Ret joined WoL relatively late and has been since then, over all, quite mediocre and actually quite bad near the end of WoL. He has had some really good moments, and seemed really on the way up as HotS was released. No one has ever said that Ret was a top Zerg, maybe in Eu at one point briefly. The only time this statement would be true is Ret's status as top foreign Zerg in BW. Otherwise it's super weird that you have been hearing that a fair amount... I recall a lot of commentators during many events saying that Ret is the best non-Korean Zerg during WoL (pre-Stephano era). Yeah, think back to the time before Stephano exploded on the scene, and before BL Infestor dominated T and Ps. Tough to remember any other notable Zs. Machine... LZGamer... Nerchio was there, but was considered an online player back in the day. Idra of course. Zerg was considered the "mechanical race" so foreigners didn't flock to it. Interesting how things switched up and by the end of WOL Zerg was least mechanical one, and Terran was the most. Another LR thread that devolves into "best Zerg/Terran/Protoss hurr durr" discussion. Can you guys stop it now? We're talking about Ret. The player who just got knocked out his group. The group to which this LR is dedicated. There's just interesting analogy between mechanical difficulty and top foreigners. When Terran was all about rushes and two base timings, there were plenty of foreign Terrans. As macro play evolved and the skill cap increased, foreign Terrans started disappearing. When Zerg was about macro games and harass (Speedling, Baneling, and Muta TvZ, FE), there weren't many good foreign Zergs. On the other hand, when Zerg's defense became so strong they could easily turtle to BL Infestor while deflecting any attack except an all in without Queens and Sunkens, Foreign Zergs exploded. Pretty interesting. All this is because Protoss and Zerg races are designed to be very good with their Tier 3 units in Late game.Terrans got the best units for mid game.Its not the skill.The maps also changed a lot.No more close positions,no more really small maps. Think about Whirlwind: Huge map.Think about the Zerg and Protoss mechanichs compared to Terrans. Instant warps or Zeerg capable of building 15 ultralisks or almos 100 lings at time.You cant compare this to queing units from barracks and rally them.Even transporting them in Speedmedivacs.Everybody know this.Huge maps are not Terran friendly.They are MACRO friendly,but its not the best the Terran race got.Drops or runbies with stim is the best they do and kiting as hell or splitting units.All of this requieres skill and multitasking.Zerg and Protoss just amove and warp or make units and spawn larvae.No need to micro almost.Its not the same. Think about maps like Atlatis Spaceship.Why do you think MVP went for 2rax vs Squirtle in this final map?? Pretty interesting.
Pretty interesting way to weasel into the thread the "patchzerg" topic. We are not going to discuss it, are we?
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On May 01 2013 04:55 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 04:51 IPA wrote:On May 01 2013 04:49 pellejohnson wrote:
So this ret guy is the one that is supposed to be top 3 zerg in the whole world? No. And no one has ever said that. Ever. Actually I have heard a fair amount of people calling ret best foreign zerg, best zerg in the whole world, top 3 zerg and so on. i find it weird that you haven't.
You've never heard that. Or it was someone with no authority or intelligence whatsoever. "Best zerg in the whole world?" Are you fucking serious?
People used to MAYBE mention him as top 3 foreigner zerg in early, early WoL. If you haven't tuned in to an event since 2011, I'll let it slide.
On topic: Stoked for Thorzain. These are entertaining.
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TitaN should have cannon rushed.
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To be fair i don't understand why he chose daybreak. It's a very exploitable map for medivac vs protoss deathball. It's pretty normal to snipe nexus on that map.
edit - Oh my bad, thorzain lost game 2 right ?
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It is like reading the LoL OGN LR thread sometimes, except there is no you.
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Kaelarys man, i love you, but only tasteless pulls the sickcity.
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On May 01 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
To be fair i don't understand why he chose daybreak. It's a very exploitable map for medivac vs protoss deathball. It's pretty normal to snipe nexus on that map.
edit - Oh my bad, thorzain lost game 2 right ?
No he actually lost game 1. And like you said, it is strange he chose this map, it is easy to stretch toss thin on daybreak as terran.
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Kaelaris going full Tasteless
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It wouldn't be Code S without a lot of TvT!
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ESL TVT Premier League :p
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Well done Thorzain!!
Feel bad for Titan I would liked to have seen more from him
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I thought Thorzain is going to let Titan back in the game but everything was under control. He deserved to advance from second place.
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Europe is Terrantown now 0.o Grats to Thorzain and Strelok two great guys.
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Sweet! Hope Nani and SortOf will make it as well
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On May 01 2013 05:37 Sent. wrote:
I thought Thorzain is going to let Titan back in the game but everything was under control. He deserved to advance from second place.
Me too. Patience in a Terran is NOT a virtue.
If he hadn't handled his EMPS right, Titan could've held. .
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Nice play by ThorZaiN! GG
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On May 01 2013 05:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
nice 2/2 liquibet!
1/2 here. I was torn between Ret and Strelok. And I chose poorly.
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how hard is it to defend against proxy drops? shouldn't titan be expecting the cheese?
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Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing.
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On May 01 2013 05:40 Roman666 wrote:1/2 here. I was torn between Ret and Strelok. And I chose poorly.
if it comes to foreigners, when in doubt, go for terran.
That's why i voted thorzain over titan, and strelok... well strelok had strong tvz and tvt.
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On May 01 2013 05:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing.
It's the 30th of april lol I'm surprised Ret even showed up. Hell I haven't slept for 36 hours haha XD
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On May 01 2013 05:41 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing. It's the 30th of april lol I'm surprised Ret even showed up. Hell I haven't slept for 36 hours haha XD
Haha, what are you orange guys up to down there?
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On May 01 2013 05:40 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:40 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 05:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
nice 2/2 liquibet! 1/2 here. I was torn between Ret and Strelok. And I chose poorly. if it comes to foreigners, when in doubt, go for terran. That's why i voted thorzain over titan, and strelok... well strelok had strong tvz and tvt.
I thought that Strelok mad mech run from qualifiers has to end somewhere. Guess that was not the time.
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On May 01 2013 05:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:41 Ysellian wrote:On May 01 2013 05:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing. It's the 30th of april lol I'm surprised Ret even showed up. Hell I haven't slept for 36 hours haha XD Haha, what are you orange guys up to down there?
Isnt it a Queen's day?
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On May 01 2013 05:41 Tsubbi wrote:
lol 2 more terrans
nothing to lol about, the first three groups had very good terrans and two of them each
next groups will be different
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On May 01 2013 05:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:41 Ysellian wrote:On May 01 2013 05:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing. It's the 30th of april lol I'm surprised Ret even showed up. Hell I haven't slept for 36 hours haha XD Haha, what are you orange guys up to down there?
Well it's queens day which is special enough, but it's the final queens day as from now on Queen Beatrix stepped down. But really it was just an excuse to party hard starting from yesterday.
Anyway I was supposed to go see fireworks later tonight, but I think it's off to bed with me.
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On May 01 2013 05:44 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 05:41 Ysellian wrote:On May 01 2013 05:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing. It's the 30th of april lol I'm surprised Ret even showed up. Hell I haven't slept for 36 hours haha XD Haha, what are you orange guys up to down there? Well it's queens day which is special enough, but it's the final queens day as from now on Queen Beatrix stepped down. But really it was just an excuse to party hard starting from yesterday.
Every excuse to party hard is good!
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Well, tomorrow maybe better, socke specially a socke vs mvp.
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Ret coming last and dropping to challenger is pretty funny considering how after IEM a lot of people were saying HotS was his game, this was going to be his time to shine etc.
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On May 01 2013 05:44 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 05:41 Ysellian wrote:On May 01 2013 05:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Got the right guys but in the wrong order. Thought that Thorzain and Ret would have a better showing. It's the 30th of april lol I'm surprised Ret even showed up. Hell I haven't slept for 36 hours haha XD Haha, what are you orange guys up to down there? Isnt it a Queen's day?
Kingsday from now on, we traded here.
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On May 01 2013 05:49 sitromit wrote:
Ret coming last and dropping to challenger is pretty funny considering how after IEM a lot of people were saying HotS was his game, this was going to be his time to shine etc.
Don't people say that about every TL player?
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Ret :/
but at least ThorZain made it. Speaking of Thozain this just made me laugh quite hard.
+ Show Spoiler +
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yay more patch terans
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On May 01 2013 06:24 Dudasc wrote:
yay more patch terans
I don't even...
Very happy to see Thorzain advance.
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Soooo happy for Strelok! It's been a long time since he has shown some results. I'm always glad to see foreigners of the BW generation rising up!
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Really happy for thorzain and strelok! These guys finally get what they deserved for so long !
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Very happy with these results! Great to see Strelok Own up the group and also happy to see ret demolished.
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I didn't think Thorzain would make it out, but glad he did!
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Why all this stuff about Terran? what have Terran even won in the last few months? Last I checked, Zerg is on fire again. And pro league fields almost all Protoss, because at the highest level of play that's what is working best.
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Fenix making some really bad move out decisions...
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ret/strelok game 1, last game ending battle:
"great engagement by strelok" (kaelaris). really? i think he did nothing but watching how his tanks rape a high tech zerg army with ultras/vipers. maybe ret should have save some energy for the pull thing.
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