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On April 29 2013 16:35 Highwinds wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 16:33 c0sm0naut wrote:
honestly SK just showed innovation why he needs to start making tanks again Tanks on whirlwind! you're too immobile they just ran by you and kill you Also mutas regen is so crazy it feels like if you have tanks and not mines you just lose. Speaking from personal experience though. not a pro player so maybe they'd handle it better
the thing tho is
top Z are sending in lings, setting off the mines while tehy make more lings. your mines end up inactive and your army becomes even less supply efficient vs ultra comps. i think you need to watch the muta count, and adjust WM production accordingly, but go full on siege tanks when ultralisks are being made
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One thing to note though, Soulkey got the best possible position on that map against terran, so it definitely help to defend.
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On April 29 2013 16:37 groms wrote:
Can STX win when innovation loses? KT somehow did it last week
really unlikely. Different story if hyvaa had won his game.
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On April 29 2013 16:38 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 16:35 Highwinds wrote:On April 29 2013 16:33 c0sm0naut wrote:
honestly SK just showed innovation why he needs to start making tanks again Tanks on whirlwind! you're too immobile they just ran by you and kill you Also mutas regen is so crazy it feels like if you have tanks and not mines you just lose. Speaking from personal experience though. not a pro player so maybe they'd handle it better the thing tho is top Z are sending in lings, setting off the mines while tehy make more lings. your mines end up inactive and your army becomes even less dramatically supply efficient vs ultra comps. i think you need to watch the muta count, and adjust WM production accordingly, but go full on siege tanks when ultralisks are out.
more people need to use unburrow micro like Lucifron. I haven't seen Korean Terrans do it yet, they just let their mines activate on single lings and then die
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On April 29 2013 16:43 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 16:38 c0sm0naut wrote:On April 29 2013 16:35 Highwinds wrote:On April 29 2013 16:33 c0sm0naut wrote:
honestly SK just showed innovation why he needs to start making tanks again Tanks on whirlwind! you're too immobile they just ran by you and kill you Also mutas regen is so crazy it feels like if you have tanks and not mines you just lose. Speaking from personal experience though. not a pro player so maybe they'd handle it better the thing tho is top Z are sending in lings, setting off the mines while tehy make more lings. your mines end up inactive and your army becomes even less dramatically supply efficient vs ultra comps. i think you need to watch the muta count, and adjust WM production accordingly, but go full on siege tanks when ultralisks are out. more people need to use unburrow micro like Lucifron. I haven't seen Korean Terrans do it yet, they just let their mines activate on single lings and then die
wasn't it innovation in gsl doing that with his drops. unburrow when the lings come and re burrow and it made the 6 marines +1 mine impossible to deal with using lings. I know some terran did that in gsl.
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On April 29 2013 16:43 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 16:38 c0sm0naut wrote:On April 29 2013 16:35 Highwinds wrote:On April 29 2013 16:33 c0sm0naut wrote:
honestly SK just showed innovation why he needs to start making tanks again Tanks on whirlwind! you're too immobile they just ran by you and kill you Also mutas regen is so crazy it feels like if you have tanks and not mines you just lose. Speaking from personal experience though. not a pro player so maybe they'd handle it better the thing tho is top Z are sending in lings, setting off the mines while tehy make more lings. your mines end up inactive and your army becomes even less dramatically supply efficient vs ultra comps. i think you need to watch the muta count, and adjust WM production accordingly, but go full on siege tanks when ultralisks are out. more people need to use unburrow micro like Lucifron. I haven't seen Korean Terrans do it yet, they just let their mines activate on single lings and then die
that is a lot harder to execute than it sounds in the heat of midgame multitasking. Also, not sure if it's worth it cost-wise because you run the risk of losing mines without hitting anything if zerg has mutas/lings nearby to target fire unburrowed mines.
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On April 29 2013 16:43 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 16:38 c0sm0naut wrote:On April 29 2013 16:35 Highwinds wrote:On April 29 2013 16:33 c0sm0naut wrote:
honestly SK just showed innovation why he needs to start making tanks again Tanks on whirlwind! you're too immobile they just ran by you and kill you Also mutas regen is so crazy it feels like if you have tanks and not mines you just lose. Speaking from personal experience though. not a pro player so maybe they'd handle it better the thing tho is top Z are sending in lings, setting off the mines while tehy make more lings. your mines end up inactive and your army becomes even less dramatically supply efficient vs ultra comps. i think you need to watch the muta count, and adjust WM production accordingly, but go full on siege tanks when ultralisks are out. more people need to use unburrow micro like Lucifron. I haven't seen Korean Terrans do it yet, they just let their mines activate on single lings and then die
completely agreed, but if you are control clicking them like lucifron and dont have drilling claws, you are playing with fire :p
i think mines have a pretty high skill cap and this is most of it, its just extremely apm intensive so i think as a low speed player i'll stick to macroing and muling nistead of microing my mines 
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Let's also vote for the other 2 games while we still have them in our MINDS MINDS MINDS
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Lolyeah. Lucifron should teach fucking Innovation how to play Terran.
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Are they talking about demuslim right now? He would tilt so bad in this format..
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On April 29 2013 16:47 ZenithM wrote:
Lolyeah. Lucifron should teach fucking Innovation how to play Terran.
Haha calm down, everybody has something to learn
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On April 29 2013 16:45 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 16:43 Yello wrote:On April 29 2013 16:38 c0sm0naut wrote:On April 29 2013 16:35 Highwinds wrote:On April 29 2013 16:33 c0sm0naut wrote:
honestly SK just showed innovation why he needs to start making tanks again Tanks on whirlwind! you're too immobile they just ran by you and kill you Also mutas regen is so crazy it feels like if you have tanks and not mines you just lose. Speaking from personal experience though. not a pro player so maybe they'd handle it better the thing tho is top Z are sending in lings, setting off the mines while tehy make more lings. your mines end up inactive and your army becomes even less dramatically supply efficient vs ultra comps. i think you need to watch the muta count, and adjust WM production accordingly, but go full on siege tanks when ultralisks are out. more people need to use unburrow micro like Lucifron. I haven't seen Korean Terrans do it yet, they just let their mines activate on single lings and then die completely agreed, but if you are control clicking them like lucifron and dont have drilling claws, you are playing with fire :p i think mines have a pretty high skill cap and this is most of it, its just extremely apm intensive so i think as a low speed player i'll stick to macroing and muling nistead of microing my mines
yeah, there's still a lot of potential,a lot to improve upon for Terrans. I never said that it was easy.
The problem is, at first Zergs didn't know how to deal with Mines and lost a lot but now Zergs get better and better at playing against them and Terrans need to step up on their game as well now. And I think the most important part to improve upon is the Mine-micro, un-burrowing and re-burrowing and trying to keep them alive with marines and marauders when they are not able to shoot.
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Whiplash is exciiited about personal questions haha
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I'm pretty positive it's Mvp tails' build and nani borrowed/ stole it. He's very fond of Tail's builds
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So much for faking a third 
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LOL across-the-map corruption.
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wtf Zero why you hold back. Could've sniped that M.Core.
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Cool to see someone using corruption
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Immortal pretty good unit.
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EPT
