On April 28 2013 17:09 Delicious Insanity wrote: Dat Nani colossus pick up micro.
I will never understand why people are impressed by Protoss warp prism micro. I mean the action itself is easy and it isn't like the Protoss is doing other stuff. They don't have to inject constantly so I don't see why picking something up and putting it down is so special (I see masters and below do it all the time).
So much biased in this post Inject constantly? Not even close to "constantly" and second, protoss has to warpin units? Control his main armee?
Keep Chronoboosting to maintain efficiency every 25 seconds as well...
Zergs talk about inject as if it's the hardest thing in the world...
There's a reason your Zerg ladder opponents have over twice your apm.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
It what point was it close? Not in the last game where Naniwa delayed his natural and failed with his first all in push, at which point he was so far behind and on two base against whatever many base zerg with what 3/3 ultras/lings and spire. He couldn't even snipe Leenocks third and there never was a chance from the beginning for a 2 base play with a delayed natural. Have you even watched the game?
Edit: Don't act so hurt, Swedish dude. Naniwa had 1 miracle game where he survived Jaedongs ultras and it was a miracle becasue Jaedong himself delayed them. He didn't survive it against Leenock.
Just ignore the troll, chaps. He is a 3 post muppet with nothing to add to TL.
Really? My post count is what should matter here? I didn't hear any other arguments except, that Naniwa is a "good" player. Something I didn't argue about, he was good enough to get to the RO16, which is great. But looking at everything past that show me how he deserved to get to the finals? He "lol gg" against TLO in a straight macro game, because according to him he never should have lost to SH play and then proceeds to 2 all-ins the other 2 games. Beats a Swedish zerg who played very badly both games and was clearly not at his level. Proxy Gate cheeses Jaedong and has the insane luck of Jaedong delaying his ultra push too long. That's basically how he got to the finals.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
well naniwa made it look close in the finals, but let's be realistic. he wouldn't ever beat leenock 2 months ago in wol. he had the easiest path possible to the finals, and he cheesed a lot, and btw the timings and metagame isn't figured out enough. leenock also played a pretty strange style, staying on lings for too long in the majority of the games and trying to 3base hive. maybe he got cocky because he beat grubby so easily? and people are reading too much into the jaedong games. it's not like jaedong is considered even a top 10 zerg, and his zvp especially isn't.
bottom line, Naniwa had a good run, but let's not get carried away. leenock's road to finals was about 15 times as hard, and it wasn't a question that he wins the whole thing after the quarterfinals. now we have a pretty fresh game where there are new strategies and timings coming every day, nothing is figured out, and fanboys chanting "best foreigner in the world" etc. are annoying as shit.
On April 28 2013 17:09 Delicious Insanity wrote: Dat Nani colossus pick up micro.
I will never understand why people are impressed by Protoss warp prism micro. I mean the action itself is easy and it isn't like the Protoss is doing other stuff. They don't have to inject constantly so I don't see why picking something up and putting it down is so special (I see masters and below do it all the time).
So much biased in this post Inject constantly? Not even close to "constantly" and second, protoss has to warpin units? Control his main armee?
Keep Chronoboosting to maintain efficiency every 25 seconds as well...
Zergs talk about inject as if it's the hardest thing in the world...
It is not the hardest thing in the world, it is the most frustrating thing in the world. You would know if you played Zerg, because if you miss 1-2 Inject timings because you were doing something else, you will often find yourself without enough Larvae for units. Every Zerg player in the world knows this(even GM and Pro Zerg players), because they lost a thousand games just by missing an inject.
I am not starting "Race X is harder" discussion, just saying that Zerg works differently than Protoss and Terran, and that if you didn't play Zerg, you probably won't understand it.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
It what point was it close? Not in the last game where Naniwa delayed his natural and failed with his first all in push, at which point he was so far behind and on two base against whatever many base zerg with what 3/3 ultras/lings and spire. He couldn't even snipe Leenocks third and there never was a chance from the beginning for a 2 base play with a delayed natural. Have you even watched the game?
Edit: Don't act so hurt, Swedish dude. Naniwa had 1 miracle game where he survived Jaedongs ultras and it was a miracle becasue Jaedong himself delayed them. He didn't survive it against Leenock.
Just ignore the troll, chaps. He is a 3 post muppet with nothing to add to TL.
Really? My post count is what should matter here? I didn't hear any other arguments except, that Naniwa is a "good" player. Something I didn't argue about, he was good enough to get to the RO16, which is great. But looking at everything past that show me how he deserved to get to the finals? He "lol gg" against TLO in a straight macro game, because according to him he never should have lost to SH play and then proceeds to 2 all-ins the other 2 games. Beats a Swedish zerg who played very badly both games and was clearly not at his level. Proxy Gate cheeses Jaedong and has the insane luck of Jaedong delaying his ultra push too long. That's basically how he got to the finals.
Your posts all became irrelevant the moment you said TLO was a better player than Naniwa and had a good chance to beat Leenock in the finals.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
well naniwa made it look close in the finals, but let's be realistic. he wouldn't ever beat leenock 2 months ago in wol. he had the easiest path possible to the finals, and he cheesed a lot, and btw the timings and metagame isn't figured out enough. leenock also played a pretty strange style, staying on lings for too long in the majority of the games and trying to 3base hive. maybe he got cocky because he beat grubby so easily? and people are reading too much into the jaedong games. it's not like jaedong is considered even a top 10 zerg, and his zvp especially isn't.
bottom line, Naniwa had a good run, but let's not get carried away. leenock's road to finals was about 15 times as hard, and it wasn't a question that he wins the whole thing after the quarterfinals. now we have a pretty fresh game where there are new strategies and timings coming every day, nothing is figured out, and fanboys chanting "best foreigner in the world" etc. are annoying as shit.
15 times as hard? where do you get this bullshit from?
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
It what point was it close? Not in the last game where Naniwa delayed his natural and failed with his first all in push, at which point he was so far behind and on two base against whatever many base zerg with what 3/3 ultras/lings and spire. He couldn't even snipe Leenocks third and there never was a chance from the beginning for a 2 base play with a delayed natural. Have you even watched the game?
Edit: Don't act so hurt, Swedish dude. Naniwa had 1 miracle game where he survived Jaedongs ultras and it was a miracle becasue Jaedong himself delayed them. He didn't survive it against Leenock.
Just ignore the troll, chaps. He is a 3 post muppet with nothing to add to TL.
Really? My post count is what should matter here? I didn't hear any other arguments except, that Naniwa is a "good" player. Something I didn't argue about, he was good enough to get to the RO16, which is great. But looking at everything past that show me how he deserved to get to the finals? He "lol gg" against TLO in a straight macro game, because according to him he never should have lost to SH play and then proceeds to 2 all-ins the other 2 games. Beats a Swedish zerg who played very badly both games and was clearly not at his level. Proxy Gate cheeses Jaedong and has the insane luck of Jaedong delaying his ultra push too long. That's basically how he got to the finals.
Your posts all became irrelevant the moment you said TLO was a better player than Naniwa and had a good chance to beat Leenock in the finals.
To who, to you? I think TLO is a great player and he was very strong at DH this year. He was prepared both tactically, mechanically and mentally. He lost to the all ins sure, but he didn't flinch. He was better prepared for a final against leenock and zvz could go either way. Naniwa on the other hand was shaking in the booth both against Jaedong and Leenock, he had 10 minute pauses between games getting pep talk from Sase etc and he still lost.
The funny part is, Im not even suprised JD lost to Nani. I just don't think of him as Tyrant, the way he was in BW, like with several other legends that switched, they are all mortals now.
On April 28 2013 17:09 Delicious Insanity wrote: Dat Nani colossus pick up micro.
I will never understand why people are impressed by Protoss warp prism micro. I mean the action itself is easy and it isn't like the Protoss is doing other stuff. They don't have to inject constantly so I don't see why picking something up and putting it down is so special (I see masters and below do it all the time).
So much biased in this post Inject constantly? Not even close to "constantly" and second, protoss has to warpin units? Control his main armee?
Keep Chronoboosting to maintain efficiency every 25 seconds as well...
Zergs talk about inject as if it's the hardest thing in the world...
There's a reason your Zerg ladder opponents have over twice your apm.
Because when you make 50 lings your apm spikes up to 600? When I play zerg apparently I have twice the apm of my protoss, yet my hands move at the same speed. It is very very easy to hit all your injects in the early game. Typically you can get a macro hatch before injecting gets remotely hard. To be honest, efficient creep spreading is 100 times harder than perfect larva injects.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
It what point was it close? Not in the last game where Naniwa delayed his natural and failed with his first all in push, at which point he was so far behind and on two base against whatever many base zerg with what 3/3 ultras/lings and spire. He couldn't even snipe Leenocks third and there never was a chance from the beginning for a 2 base play with a delayed natural. Have you even watched the game?
Edit: Don't act so hurt, Swedish dude. Naniwa had 1 miracle game where he survived Jaedongs ultras and it was a miracle becasue Jaedong himself delayed them. He didn't survive it against Leenock.
Just ignore the troll, chaps. He is a 3 post muppet with nothing to add to TL.
Really? My post count is what should matter here? I didn't hear any other arguments except, that Naniwa is a "good" player. Something I didn't argue about, he was good enough to get to the RO16, which is great. But looking at everything past that show me how he deserved to get to the finals? He "lol gg" against TLO in a straight macro game, because according to him he never should have lost to SH play and then proceeds to 2 all-ins the other 2 games. Beats a Swedish zerg who played very badly both games and was clearly not at his level. Proxy Gate cheeses Jaedong and has the insane luck of Jaedong delaying his ultra push too long. That's basically how he got to the finals.
Your posts all became irrelevant the moment you said TLO was a better player than Naniwa and had a good chance to beat Leenock in the finals.
To who, to you? I think TLO is a great player and he was very strong at DH this year. He was prepared both tactically, mechanically and mentally. He lost to the all ins sure, but he didn't flinch. He was better prepared for a final against leenock and zvz could go either way. Naniwa on the other hand was shaking in the booth both against Jaedong and Leenock, he had 10 minute pauses between games getting pep talk from Sase etc and he still lost.
It's rather funny you say this, because TLO himself stated that he choked in the deciding game vs NaNiwa.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
It what point was it close? Not in the last game where Naniwa delayed his natural and failed with his first all in push, at which point he was so far behind and on two base against whatever many base zerg with what 3/3 ultras/lings and spire. He couldn't even snipe Leenocks third and there never was a chance from the beginning for a 2 base play with a delayed natural. Have you even watched the game?
Edit: Don't act so hurt, Swedish dude. Naniwa had 1 miracle game where he survived Jaedongs ultras and it was a miracle becasue Jaedong himself delayed them. He didn't survive it against Leenock.
Just ignore the troll, chaps. He is a 3 post muppet with nothing to add to TL.
Really? My post count is what should matter here? I didn't hear any other arguments except, that Naniwa is a "good" player. Something I didn't argue about, he was good enough to get to the RO16, which is great. But looking at everything past that show me how he deserved to get to the finals? He "lol gg" against TLO in a straight macro game, because according to him he never should have lost to SH play and then proceeds to 2 all-ins the other 2 games. Beats a Swedish zerg who played very badly both games and was clearly not at his level. Proxy Gate cheeses Jaedong and has the insane luck of Jaedong delaying his ultra push too long. That's basically how he got to the finals.
Your posts all became irrelevant the moment you said TLO was a better player than Naniwa and had a good chance to beat Leenock in the finals.
To who, to you? I think TLO is a great player and he was very strong at DH this year. He was prepared both tactically, mechanically and mentally. He lost to the all ins sure, but he didn't flinch. He was better prepared for a final against leenock and zvz could go either way. Naniwa on the other hand was shaking in the booth both against Jaedong and Leenock, he had 10 minute pauses between games getting pep talk from Sase etc and he still lost.
It's rather funny you say this, because TLO himself stated that he choked in the deciding game vs NaNiwa.
Yeah, he "choked" and that means he didn't scout well enough in that game. It was stupid, both lost games were pretty dumb.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
well naniwa made it look close in the finals, but let's be realistic. he wouldn't ever beat leenock 2 months ago in wol. he had the easiest path possible to the finals, and he cheesed a lot, and btw the timings and metagame isn't figured out enough. leenock also played a pretty strange style, staying on lings for too long in the majority of the games and trying to 3base hive. maybe he got cocky because he beat grubby so easily? and people are reading too much into the jaedong games. it's not like jaedong is considered even a top 10 zerg, and his zvp especially isn't.
bottom line, Naniwa had a good run, but let's not get carried away. leenock's road to finals was about 15 times as hard, and it wasn't a question that he wins the whole thing after the quarterfinals. now we have a pretty fresh game where there are new strategies and timings coming every day, nothing is figured out, and fanboys chanting "best foreigner in the world" etc. are annoying as shit.
15 times as hard? where do you get this bullshit from?
leenock beat huk, dayshi, ret, gumiho, sage, coca, hero, grubby, only lost a single game to hero.
naniwa beat.... tod, a no name zerg, got raped by center, barely beat yugioh who is nothing special, lost to Hyun, lucked out a win beating MC who seems really off lately, lucked out a win beating Jaedong who has bad zvp and still barely won, etc. nothing impressive here. he did'nt look solid either. and he cheesed a lot/played gimmicky rushes.
if you can't see how leenock went on a much harder path, and managed to do it much better, you're too biased, sorry.
On April 28 2013 18:39 Kaewins wrote: Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
If you cry about it for one more day maybe the results will change, like magic.
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack.
well naniwa made it look close in the finals, but let's be realistic. he wouldn't ever beat leenock 2 months ago in wol. he had the easiest path possible to the finals, and he cheesed a lot, and btw the timings and metagame isn't figured out enough. leenock also played a pretty strange style, staying on lings for too long in the majority of the games and trying to 3base hive. maybe he got cocky because he beat grubby so easily? and people are reading too much into the jaedong games. it's not like jaedong is considered even a top 10 zerg, and his zvp especially isn't.
bottom line, Naniwa had a good run, but let's not get carried away. leenock's road to finals was about 15 times as hard, and it wasn't a question that he wins the whole thing after the quarterfinals. now we have a pretty fresh game where there are new strategies and timings coming every day, nothing is figured out, and fanboys chanting "best foreigner in the world" etc. are annoying as shit.
15 times as hard? where do you get this bullshit from?
leenock beat huk, dayshi, ret, gumiho, sage, coca, hero, grubby, only lost a single game to hero.
naniwa beat.... tod, a no name zerg, got raped by center, barely beat yugioh who is nothing special, lost to Hyun, lucked out a win beating MC who seems really off lately, lucked out a win beating Jaedong who has bad zvp and still barely won, etc. nothing impressive here. he did'nt look solid either. and he cheesed a lot/played gimmicky rushes.
if you can't see how leenock went on a much harder path, and managed to do it much better, you're too biased, sorry.
So what i see is that both beat notable players, but with naniwa you keep using the word lucked out and cheese. Just get over yourself and move on. thx
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