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On April 28 2013 19:20 bgx wrote:
The funny part is, Im not even suprised JD lost to Nani. I just don't think of him as Tyrant, the way he was in BW, like with several other legends that switched, they are all mortals now.
well the mechanichs in sc2 is waaay easier to control so it's not surprising he is not that dominant
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On April 28 2013 19:06 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 17:38 BeyondCtrL wrote:On April 28 2013 17:24 Foxxan wrote:On April 28 2013 17:14 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 28 2013 17:09 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Dat Nani colossus pick up micro. I will never understand why people are impressed by Protoss warp prism micro. I mean the action itself is easy and it isn't like the Protoss is doing other stuff. They don't have to inject constantly so I don't see why picking something up and putting it down is so special (I see masters and below do it all the time). So much biased in this post Inject constantly? Not even close to "constantly" and second, protoss has to warpin units? Control his main armee? Keep Chronoboosting to maintain efficiency every 25 seconds as well... Zergs talk about inject as if it's the hardest thing in the world... There's a reason your Zerg ladder opponents have over twice your apm.
yea its called sdddddddddddddddddddddddddd,szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and etc, check sc2reps 
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On April 28 2013 19:37 FnaticPink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 19:30 hastur420 wrote:On April 28 2013 19:18 pms wrote:On April 28 2013 19:10 hastur420 wrote:On April 28 2013 18:43 scypio wrote:On April 28 2013 18:39 Kaewins wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack. well naniwa made it look close in the finals, but let's be realistic. he wouldn't ever beat leenock 2 months ago in wol. he had the easiest path possible to the finals, and he cheesed a lot, and btw the timings and metagame isn't figured out enough. leenock also played a pretty strange style, staying on lings for too long in the majority of the games and trying to 3base hive. maybe he got cocky because he beat grubby so easily? and people are reading too much into the jaedong games. it's not like jaedong is considered even a top 10 zerg, and his zvp especially isn't. bottom line, Naniwa had a good run, but let's not get carried away. leenock's road to finals was about 15 times as hard, and it wasn't a question that he wins the whole thing after the quarterfinals. now we have a pretty fresh game where there are new strategies and timings coming every day, nothing is figured out, and fanboys chanting "best foreigner in the world" etc. are annoying as shit. 15 times as hard? where do you get this bullshit from? leenock beat huk, dayshi, ret, gumiho, sage, coca, hero, grubby, only lost a single game to hero. naniwa beat.... tod, a no name zerg, got raped by center, barely beat yugioh who is nothing special, lost to Hyun, lucked out a win beating MC who seems really off lately, lucked out a win beating Jaedong who has bad zvp and still barely won, etc. nothing impressive here. he did'nt look solid either. and he cheesed a lot/played gimmicky rushes. if you can't see how leenock went on a much harder path, and managed to do it much better, you're too biased, sorry. So what i see is that both beat notable players, but with naniwa you keep using the word lucked out and cheese. Just get over yourself and move on. thx
leenock beat better players and beat them better. it has nothing to do with "myself".
you fanboys hyping the shit out of naniwa are quite annoying on the other hand. Mana for example was just as impressive in atc and noone tryed to hype the shit out of him. for some strange reason naniwa has a following
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will replays be released?
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opterown
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afaik dreamhack does not release replays
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this tweet says replays will be posted but who knows
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On April 28 2013 19:44 opterown wrote:
afaik dreamhack does not release replays
Actually, they usually do. They released one for Winter 2012, so I assume one will go up for this one as well
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opterown
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ahk then, i stand corrected
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On April 28 2013 19:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:No offense opt, love ya, but I've gotta agree with hastur420 here. Leenock's run was just far more impressive.
Who cares? Someone had a great run and so many people have a huge desire to shit on their achievments. It's acting pathetic and i don't understand why you guys aren't embarassed by how you act..
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On April 28 2013 19:51 Mellon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 19:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:On April 28 2013 19:30 opterown wrote:
give it a break hastur420 No offense opt, love ya, but I've gotta agree with hastur420 here. Leenock's run was just far more impressive. Who cares? Someone had a great run and so many people have a huge desire to shit on their achievments. It's acting pathetic and i don't understand why you guys aren't embarassed by how you act..
I guess they're just blinded by hate, only thing I can think of.
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its save to say, it was a bad competition. compared to the last 2 big tourneys mlg+iem. way way stronger lineups and more top terrans who crushed everyone on their way. here was only one top with gumiho. polt was pretty awfull, i guess he focuses on his study more than sc2 atm.
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Yeah, because god forbid someone didn't like Naniwa's cheese/all in play to the finals. Not everyone is from Sweden or a fan. Suddenly we're all haters. If Naniwa had outplayed his opponents, there wouldn't be any place for critics. He didn't. And it's stupid, that a player who abuses 1 build gets to the finals, while more entertaining players lose to that same stupid build. If this is the best foreigner I fear for the foreign scene.
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On April 28 2013 19:10 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 18:43 scypio wrote:On April 28 2013 18:39 Kaewins wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Of all the people that could have played the finals against Leenock, Naniwa was the worst and weakest choice. He cheesed his way to the finals and was the the least prepared and least capable player. I think he probably understands, that he should have lost to TLO/Jaedong, who are much better and more talented than him and could have beaten Leenock.
The result 3:2 sounds pretty impressive to someone who has not watched the finals, but in reality Naniwa didn't have a chance at any point. Yeah his all in play may work in best of 3, but it doesn't in best of 5. Jaedong would have crushed him in bo5. And Leenock crushed him in the finals, not because Zerg is OP, but because Naniwa basically plays 1 very all-in ish build and the only other thing he did was to cheese. He was outplayed by TLO and by Jaedong, and in every game against Leenock. That proxy gate in game 2 against Jaedong was the most pathetic thing I've seen in this entire tournament.
You're either trolling or worse. The series was close and Nani could have won it if he brought his phoenixes to defend vs Leenocks ultra/queen attack. well naniwa made it look close in the finals, but let's be realistic. he wouldn't ever beat leenock 2 months ago in wol. he had the easiest path possible to the finals, and he cheesed a lot, and btw the timings and metagame isn't figured out enough. leenock also played a pretty strange style, staying on lings for too long in the majority of the games and trying to 3base hive. maybe he got cocky because he beat grubby so easily? and people are reading too much into the jaedong games. it's not like jaedong is considered even a top 10 zerg, and his zvp especially isn't. bottom line, Naniwa had a good run, but let's not get carried away. leenock's road to finals was about 15 times as hard, and it wasn't a question that he wins the whole thing after the quarterfinals. now we have a pretty fresh game where there are new strategies and timings coming every day, nothing is figured out, and fanboys chanting "best foreigner in the world" etc. are annoying as shit.
You sure are a hater.
Naniwa:
Group stage #2 opponents: Center, Tod, Buffy
Group stage #3 opponents: HyuN, YugiOh, MC
Playoffs: TLO, SortOf, Jaedong
Leenock:
Group stage #2 opponents: HuK, SjoW, Dayshi
Group stage #3 opponents: GuMiho, Ret, Sage
Playoffs: Grubby, Coca, HerO
What was it that was 15 times as hard?
Everyone knows TLO is an innovator which blooms out in the early stages after a new game or expansion has been released. Should at least be seen as an equal to Grubby.
SortOf is an up and coming player who recently has taken down both koreans and good foreigners. Coca, switched to LoL and hasn't been focusing on SC2 for a while.
Both Jaedong and HerO are great players.
Give Naniwa the cred he deserves. He is one of the best foreigners, maybe the best.
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Naniwa played quite well overall.
Almost all the PvZ games seemed very wonky though, I guess it's the nature of this style of tournament where you basically have no preparation time. Especially if you're on the lower part of the bracket where you have to play the last Ro8 or Ro4 match and then continue directly if you win.
The weird gateway expand into various strange forms of pressure (phoenix + 4 gate etc.) seemed to leave zergs a bit puzzled how to deal with most efficiently. Hesitant to take thirds, lot's of building cancels, baneling? pressure. Most of the games looked really weird but this isn't to say Nani, JD or leenock played bad.
JD's ZvP isn't that bad at all, he just seems a bit puzzled in the lategame at times. He has a bad PL record at it but the latest ZvPs I saw he played really well. Sure the losses to proxy gates are dodgy and some other stuff but he didn;t play bad at all against Nani, the final game Nani just barely got the hatch kill + recall and had a good fake earlier. Leenock already responded to this far better not overmaking lings and had the advantage of watching the series before.
If anything Nani needs a bit more variation, throw in a FFE once in a while and take a quick third sometimes. It always seems to be dodgy 2 base attacks into late third or just all-inning
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On April 28 2013 19:38 Berceno wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 19:06 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:On April 28 2013 17:38 BeyondCtrL wrote:On April 28 2013 17:24 Foxxan wrote:On April 28 2013 17:14 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 28 2013 17:09 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Dat Nani colossus pick up micro. I will never understand why people are impressed by Protoss warp prism micro. I mean the action itself is easy and it isn't like the Protoss is doing other stuff. They don't have to inject constantly so I don't see why picking something up and putting it down is so special (I see masters and below do it all the time). So much biased in this post Inject constantly? Not even close to "constantly" and second, protoss has to warpin units? Control his main armee? Keep Chronoboosting to maintain efficiency every 25 seconds as well... Zergs talk about inject as if it's the hardest thing in the world... There's a reason your Zerg ladder opponents have over twice your apm. yea its called sdddddddddddddddddddddddddd,szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and etc, check sc2reps
yeah, indeed... I suck so much with zerg and still my apm is 300 just pressing sddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz lol
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its just how naniwa plays, how he always played. why going for 30+ makro wars with a korean? :p
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I have one thing to say about Naniwa.
THE KONG IN THE NORTH!!!
This counts Naniwa's sixth silver medal in a major tournament (excluding minor cups which would bring the result to 12, which is now above MarineKing's total amount of second place finishes in any tournament):
- 2nd place Homestory Cup II (lost to WhiteRa)
- 2nd place Pokerstrategy.com TSL3 (lost to ThorZaIN)
- 2nd place Homestory Cup III (lost to HuK)
- 2nd place 2011 Battle.net European Invitational (lost to Ret)
- 2nd place MLG Providence 2011 (lost to Leenock)
- 2nd place Dreamhack Open Stockholm 2013 (lost to Leenock)
Also to back this up, he was also the King of Special Tournaments in 2011. 1st in Black Dragon League and 1st in the 2011 MLG Global Invitational.
He is single-handedly kickstarting the silver mining industry in Sweden. It's nice to see the Kong Line has finally moved out of South Korea.
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if Leenock is that good and Naniwa that bad, why could Nani take two games?
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On April 28 2013 20:36 Zeon0 wrote:
if Leenock is that good and Naniwa that bad, why could Nani take two games?
Dont challenge them with logical thinking. Their heads might just explode because they have to make up even more ridiculous excuses why naniwa made it that far and still is a baddy.
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On April 28 2013 20:36 Zeon0 wrote:
if Leenock is that good and Naniwa that bad, why could Nani take two games?
cuz it was his 'homeevent' and leenock got paid to give up 2 maps?
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