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On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general. I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T.
Bro, sorry but there is nothing delusional about saying that Flash is decidedly better in TVZ than Jaedong in ZVT in terms of a macro game.
You forget that Flash has a 2nd place finish in MLG and is now in Code S whereas Jaedong continuously struggled to even qualify for Code A. Thats for a reason.
Also, Flash has taken out many great ZVT players like Roro and soulkey. Flash is known for a macro game, has better results than Jaedong in heart of the swarm, and has taken out better players.
So why is it delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game?
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On April 16 2013 05:21 tozi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general. I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T. Bro, sorry but there is nothing delusional about saying that Flash is decidedly better in TVZ than Jaedong in ZVT in terms of a macro game. You forget that Flash has a 2nd place finish in MLG and is now in Code S whereas Jaedong continuously struggled to even qualify for Code A. Thats for a reason. Also, Flash has taken out many great ZVT players like Roro and soulkey. Flash is known for a macro game, has better results than Jaedong in heart of the swarm, and has taken out better players. So why is it delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game?
It's not delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game. It's delusional to say that Jaedong CAN'T beat Flash in a macro game, which is the claim that blade55555 was replying to.
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Oh man if only Jaedong would have added some Vipers...
Btw lol at people saying JD can't beat Flash in a macro game. Macro and micro has always been JD's strength, he just needs better decision making. In a Bo7 currently Flash would win but it would be like 4-3.
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On April 16 2013 04:06 smogg wrote:
EZTL manages to make my otherwise awesome life completely miserable. Good job.
And Coach Park's bad picks for the maps vs Team 8 and now his failure to realise the obvious - that Flash wouldn't be the ace player, have disappointed me greatly.
Don't let your life become miserable because of something you can't control.
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Also, from what i've seen FS SC2 version doesn't seem like a good map for zerg.. we'll have to see in the long run.
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On April 16 2013 05:29 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:21 tozi wrote:On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general. I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T. Bro, sorry but there is nothing delusional about saying that Flash is decidedly better in TVZ than Jaedong in ZVT in terms of a macro game. You forget that Flash has a 2nd place finish in MLG and is now in Code S whereas Jaedong continuously struggled to even qualify for Code A. Thats for a reason. Also, Flash has taken out many great ZVT players like Roro and soulkey. Flash is known for a macro game, has better results than Jaedong in heart of the swarm, and has taken out better players. So why is it delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game? It's not delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game. It's delusional to say that Jaedong CAN'T beat Flash in a macro game, which is the claim that blade55555 was replying to.
fair enough.
though its kinda rhetorical.
a player of lesser skill CAN definitely beat someone of higher skill. It's called an upset. He was replying to an obviously rhetorical comment that Flash is in fact better than Jaedong...
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On April 16 2013 06:01 tozi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:29 HolyArrow wrote:On April 16 2013 05:21 tozi wrote:On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general. I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T. Bro, sorry but there is nothing delusional about saying that Flash is decidedly better in TVZ than Jaedong in ZVT in terms of a macro game. You forget that Flash has a 2nd place finish in MLG and is now in Code S whereas Jaedong continuously struggled to even qualify for Code A. Thats for a reason. Also, Flash has taken out many great ZVT players like Roro and soulkey. Flash is known for a macro game, has better results than Jaedong in heart of the swarm, and has taken out better players. So why is it delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game? It's not delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game. It's delusional to say that Jaedong CAN'T beat Flash in a macro game, which is the claim that blade55555 was replying to. fair enough. though its kinda rhetorical. a player of lesser skill CAN definitely beat someone of higher skill. It's called an upset. He was replying to an obviously rhetorical comment that Flash is in fact better than Jaedong...
Yeah it's true that it was probably rhetorical. I guess the problem is that Flash has some fanboys so rabid that it's hard to tell when someone is exaggerating/being rhetorical or when someone is sincerely claiming something in regards to Flash.
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On April 16 2013 06:01 tozi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:29 HolyArrow wrote:On April 16 2013 05:21 tozi wrote:On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general. I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T. Bro, sorry but there is nothing delusional about saying that Flash is decidedly better in TVZ than Jaedong in ZVT in terms of a macro game. You forget that Flash has a 2nd place finish in MLG and is now in Code S whereas Jaedong continuously struggled to even qualify for Code A. Thats for a reason. Also, Flash has taken out many great ZVT players like Roro and soulkey. Flash is known for a macro game, has better results than Jaedong in heart of the swarm, and has taken out better players. So why is it delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game? It's not delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game. It's delusional to say that Jaedong CAN'T beat Flash in a macro game, which is the claim that blade55555 was replying to. fair enough. though its kinda rhetorical. a player of lesser skill CAN definitely beat someone of higher skill. It's called an upset. He was replying to an obviously rhetorical comment that Flash is in fact better than Jaedong...
lol you got everything wrong. that guy said no way JD can beat flash in a macro game and you also got blade's response wrong.
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On April 16 2013 04:06 smogg wrote:
EZTL manages to make my otherwise awesome life completely miserable. Good job.
And Coach Park's bad picks for the maps vs Team 8 and now his failure to realise the obvious - that Flash wouldn't be the ace player, have disappointed me greatly.
Yeah, what an idiot to not realise that KT wouldn't send out their best player for the ace match. They should fire him and put you in as the coach instead after that obvious blunder.
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just watched the ace match, Jaedong actually played quite well.
If only he had gotten the HotS memo that to play against laser toss you go vipers (with maybe some infestor) instead of corruptors he would have won handily. His early game and the denial of the third base was pretty damn good (stats played weak though) but a slight overaggression afterwards with the bad strategy lost EGTL the match.. such a shame.
Voidrays just stomp corruptors too hard now, adding them just gives protoss a too juicy target. Without them voidrays actually tend to autotarget hydra's against which they have pretty poor damage. Vipers counter colossi much more effective, a pulled colossus is as good as dead. The crucial thing here is that you mostly avoid the voidrays and you trample the forcefields at the same time. Blinding cloud is situationally awesome too if the battle is in a close space, even sweeter if you pull off the blinding cloud + fungal combo. Speaking of which, infestors may not be great anymore but 1 or 2 are still great against lasertoss, it still stacks quite a bit and a fungal can easily hit 10+ units.
Spire in ZvP is good for surprise muta's or against carrier/tempest. Otherwise just DON'T use it.
Spire 200m 200g 100s for mutalisks and corruptors
infestation pit + hive 300m 250g 150s for swarm hosts, infestors, vipers and additional tech options (+3, ultra, adrenal glands).
The latter is just far better now considering how great ultra's are now.
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On April 16 2013 06:40 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:36 GolemMadness wrote:On April 16 2013 04:06 smogg wrote:
EZTL manages to make my otherwise awesome life completely miserable. Good job.
And Coach Park's bad picks for the maps vs Team 8 and now his failure to realise the obvious - that Flash wouldn't be the ace player, have disappointed me greatly. Yeah, what an idiot to not realise that KT wouldn't send out their best player for the ace match. They should fire him and put you in as the coach instead after that obvious blunder. Well to be fair Flash has not be doing well recently including losing in ace matches.
He lost one ace match. In Brood War he once lost something like 3 straight, and KT continued to send him out for the ace. Saying that it's obvious that they wouldn't send out their best player who's played every single ace match this year because he's lost a few games recently is just ridiculous.
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On April 16 2013 03:28 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
people are exaggerating. Jaedong was a good choice, he had that game in the bag, but his army comp was abysmal. If only he added some vipers, or heck even infestors he would've crushed stats. Just wait until JD becomes ZvP monster
Fun facts:
BW: Jaedong 24-25 Flash
WoL: Jaedong 1-0 Flash
HotS: Jaedong 1-0 Flash
Overall: Jaedong 26-25 Flash
Rivalry continues
I guess there was a silver lining in today's loss 
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On April 16 2013 06:45 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:40 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 16 2013 06:36 GolemMadness wrote:On April 16 2013 04:06 smogg wrote:
EZTL manages to make my otherwise awesome life completely miserable. Good job.
And Coach Park's bad picks for the maps vs Team 8 and now his failure to realise the obvious - that Flash wouldn't be the ace player, have disappointed me greatly. Yeah, what an idiot to not realise that KT wouldn't send out their best player for the ace match. They should fire him and put you in as the coach instead after that obvious blunder. Well to be fair Flash has not be doing well recently including losing in ace matches. He lost one ace match. In Brood War he once lost something like 3 straight, and KT continued to send him out for the ace. Saying that it's obvious that they wouldn't send out their best player who's played every single ace match this year because he's lost a few games recently is just ridiculous.
i think flash hasn't won an ace match for a while now, he's lost quite a few in a row
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On April 16 2013 06:28 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:01 tozi wrote:On April 16 2013 05:29 HolyArrow wrote:On April 16 2013 05:21 tozi wrote:On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general. I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T. Bro, sorry but there is nothing delusional about saying that Flash is decidedly better in TVZ than Jaedong in ZVT in terms of a macro game. You forget that Flash has a 2nd place finish in MLG and is now in Code S whereas Jaedong continuously struggled to even qualify for Code A. Thats for a reason. Also, Flash has taken out many great ZVT players like Roro and soulkey. Flash is known for a macro game, has better results than Jaedong in heart of the swarm, and has taken out better players. So why is it delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game? It's not delusional to say Flash can beat Jaedong in a macro game. It's delusional to say that Jaedong CAN'T beat Flash in a macro game, which is the claim that blade55555 was replying to. fair enough. though its kinda rhetorical. a player of lesser skill CAN definitely beat someone of higher skill. It's called an upset. He was replying to an obviously rhetorical comment that Flash is in fact better than Jaedong... lol you got everything wrong. that guy said no way JD can beat flash in a macro game and you also got blade's response wrong.
this is such a pointless discussion
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I knew Jaedong would beat Flash 
Throwing Stats for the ace was some pretty sick metagaming; to that Bulgarian guy trying to blame Coach Park for is absurd. I think most people wouldn't have thought that Oz, Zenio AND Alive would go down. Overall a great series, the Tyrant just needs to get more of a feel for HotS unit comps.
ggwp
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On April 16 2013 07:19 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:45 GolemMadness wrote:On April 16 2013 06:40 Emzeeshady wrote:On April 16 2013 06:36 GolemMadness wrote:On April 16 2013 04:06 smogg wrote:
EZTL manages to make my otherwise awesome life completely miserable. Good job.
And Coach Park's bad picks for the maps vs Team 8 and now his failure to realise the obvious - that Flash wouldn't be the ace player, have disappointed me greatly. Yeah, what an idiot to not realise that KT wouldn't send out their best player for the ace match. They should fire him and put you in as the coach instead after that obvious blunder. Well to be fair Flash has not be doing well recently including losing in ace matches. He lost one ace match. In Brood War he once lost something like 3 straight, and KT continued to send him out for the ace. Saying that it's obvious that they wouldn't send out their best player who's played every single ace match this year because he's lost a few games recently is just ridiculous. i think flash hasn't won an ace match for a while now, he's lost quite a few in a row
He lost two in February, which was over two months ago and in a different game. The last one he played before that, he beat Fantasy.
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On April 15 2013 20:42 Dodgin wrote:
Jaedong ZvP?
I'm going to bed.
so sadly predictable ;/
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On April 16 2013 03:44 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate. Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP. coach park might've been expecting flash even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ. Yeah idk why you would send out JD when you know it's going to be Flash (who isn't going to make the same silly mistake again) or Stats (JD simply sucks at ZvP). So idk, maybe Coach Park had a cheese planned out for him.
You seriously expect Flash not to repeat the same silly mistake again? lol
That's Flash's one huge weakness, his stubbornness.
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Turned it off when Liquid was up 3-0 and this was the outcome? How disheartening. Especially after seeing how bad JD threw away that Ace match.
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