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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 00:13:33
April 16 2013 00:13 GMT
#1781
the consistency people expect seems to have followed the trend of sc2.

before: you lose 2 times in a row? yeah, shit happens. you'll get it next time.
now: you lost 2 games? you're obviously in a slump.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
April 16 2013 00:15 GMT
#1782
On April 16 2013 09:13 jinorazi wrote:
the consistency people expect seems to have followed the trend of sc2.

before: you lose 2 times in a row? yeah, shit happens. you'll get it next time.
now: you lost 2 games? you're obviously in a slump.

Yeah, people are quite pathetic these days (these many many many days now).
Refer to my post.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
April 16 2013 00:44 GMT
#1783
T_T LYH
Что?
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
April 16 2013 01:23 GMT
#1784
On April 16 2013 09:09 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 03:44 Whatson wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.

Yeah idk why you would send out JD when you know it's going to be Flash (who isn't going to make the same silly mistake again) or Stats (JD simply sucks at ZvP). So idk, maybe Coach Park had a cheese planned out for him.


You seriously expect Flash not to repeat the same silly mistake again? lol
That's Flash's one huge weakness, his stubbornness.


i don't really see this as a weakness. he just likes to stick with what he thinks he can be successful with until he has exhausted all possibilities and it still fails. if i were as brilliant as him, i wouldn't listen to a lot of people's comments about my game either. that's flash for you, love it or hate it
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
April 16 2013 01:26 GMT
#1785
On April 16 2013 10:23 theMagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 09:09 sharkie wrote:
On April 16 2013 03:44 Whatson wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.

Yeah idk why you would send out JD when you know it's going to be Flash (who isn't going to make the same silly mistake again) or Stats (JD simply sucks at ZvP). So idk, maybe Coach Park had a cheese planned out for him.


You seriously expect Flash not to repeat the same silly mistake again? lol
That's Flash's one huge weakness, his stubbornness.


i don't really see this as a weakness. he just likes to stick with what he thinks he can be successful with until he has exhausted all possibilities and it still fails. if i were as brilliant as him, i wouldn't listen to a lot of people's comments about my game either. that's flash for you, love it or hate it

Sigh this is feeling like 2009 all over again. FLASH STOP 14CCING WITHOUT TURRETS AND DYING TO 2HATCH MUTA
Что?
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
April 16 2013 01:33 GMT
#1786
On April 16 2013 10:26 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 10:23 theMagus wrote:
On April 16 2013 09:09 sharkie wrote:
On April 16 2013 03:44 Whatson wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.

Yeah idk why you would send out JD when you know it's going to be Flash (who isn't going to make the same silly mistake again) or Stats (JD simply sucks at ZvP). So idk, maybe Coach Park had a cheese planned out for him.


You seriously expect Flash not to repeat the same silly mistake again? lol
That's Flash's one huge weakness, his stubbornness.


i don't really see this as a weakness. he just likes to stick with what he thinks he can be successful with until he has exhausted all possibilities and it still fails. if i were as brilliant as him, i wouldn't listen to a lot of people's comments about my game either. that's flash for you, love it or hate it

Sigh this is feeling like 2009 all over again. FLASH STOP 14CCING WITHOUT TURRETS AND DYING TO 2HATCH MUTA


a necessary step to greatness, my friend. it will pass
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 16 2013 01:37 GMT
#1787
On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.


LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general.

I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T.


People are pretty delusional about Flash in general. He's one of the better Terrans, but he's yet to separate himself. His Proleague record is still good, but not great. He's 1-5 in Ace matches, on a 3 Ace Match losing streak, and a 5 game losing streak overall. His only great individual league performance has been MLG. Flash is amazing, and he'll probably become the best Terran in time, but right now, he's far from it.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 16 2013 02:11 GMT
#1788
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
April 16 2013 02:17 GMT
#1789
On April 16 2013 06:45 GolemMadness wrote:
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On April 16 2013 06:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 16 2013 06:36 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 16 2013 04:06 smogg wrote:
EZTL manages to make my otherwise awesome life completely miserable. Good job.
And Coach Park's bad picks for the maps vs Team 8 and now his failure to realise the obvious - that Flash wouldn't be the ace player, have disappointed me greatly.


Yeah, what an idiot to not realise that KT wouldn't send out their best player for the ace match. They should fire him and put you in as the coach instead after that obvious blunder.

Well to be fair Flash has not be doing well recently including losing in ace matches.


He lost one ace match. In Brood War he once lost something like 3 straight, and KT continued to send him out for the ace. Saying that it's obvious that they wouldn't send out their best player who's played every single ace match this year because he's lost a few games recently is just ridiculous.


lol it was 9 straight not 3.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 02:35:19
April 16 2013 02:34 GMT
#1790
On April 16 2013 11:11 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 10:37 lichter wrote:
On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.


LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general.

I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T.


He's 1-5 in Ace matches

I keep hearing he is clutch but I am just not seeing it. He is constantly letting his team down. He missed Code S by a game twice and choked against Life in the finals of MLG.


I got it wrong actually. The Proleague page is wrong lol I had to count everything manually. He's 2-5, and on a 4 Ace match losing streak. Also just a 4 game losing streak over all.
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
April 16 2013 02:40 GMT
#1791
LOL I just watched the ace match. Damn JD has subpar ZvP. Why in the world would you send him out as ace? Hahaha
¯\_(シ)_/¯
ThisWillBEz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States120 Posts
April 16 2013 02:43 GMT
#1792
On April 16 2013 11:40 Whatson wrote:
LOL I just watched the ace match. Damn JD has subpar ZvP. Why in the world would you send him out as ace? Hahaha

they probably expected flash
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
April 16 2013 03:03 GMT
#1793
On April 16 2013 06:44 Markwerf wrote:
just watched the ace match, Jaedong actually played quite well.
If only he had gotten the HotS memo that to play against laser toss you go vipers (with maybe some infestor) instead of corruptors he would have won handily. His early game and the denial of the third base was pretty damn good (stats played weak though) but a slight overaggression afterwards with the bad strategy lost EGTL the match.. such a shame.

Voidrays just stomp corruptors too hard now, adding them just gives protoss a too juicy target. Without them voidrays actually tend to autotarget hydra's against which they have pretty poor damage. Vipers counter colossi much more effective, a pulled colossus is as good as dead. The crucial thing here is that you mostly avoid the voidrays and you trample the forcefields at the same time. Blinding cloud is situationally awesome too if the battle is in a close space, even sweeter if you pull off the blinding cloud + fungal combo. Speaking of which, infestors may not be great anymore but 1 or 2 are still great against lasertoss, it still stacks quite a bit and a fungal can easily hit 10+ units.
Spire in ZvP is good for surprise muta's or against carrier/tempest. Otherwise just DON'T use it.
Spire 200m 200g 100s for mutalisks and corruptors
infestation pit + hive 300m 250g 150s for swarm hosts, infestors, vipers and additional tech options (+3, ultra, adrenal glands).
The latter is just far better now considering how great ultra's are now.



good post
One thing though, you should add time for spire + corruptor buildtime and
Going infestation pit+hive+viper
Would be fun to see
WhiteSatin
Profile Joined December 2012
United States308 Posts
April 16 2013 03:08 GMT
#1794
I can't believe it, I passed out when we were winning 3-0... what the hell happened O_O
just watched the VODS... so many chances thrown away.. JD the last game was so painful.. why did he stay on hydra roach so long? :'( sigh
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 03:11:39
April 16 2013 03:10 GMT
#1795
On April 16 2013 11:43 ThisWillBEz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 11:40 Whatson wrote:
LOL I just watched the ace match. Damn JD has subpar ZvP. Why in the world would you send him out as ace? Hahaha

they probably expected flash

EGTL vs KT lineup 15/4
HerO <Naro Station> MyuNgSiK
Jaedong <Korhal Floating Island> Flash
JYP <Whirlwind> hitmaN
Oz <Neo Planet S> Zest
Zenio <Newkirk Redevelopment Precint> Crazy
aLive <Akilon Wastes> Stats
Jaedong < Fighting Spirit > Stats

EGTL vs Team 8 lineup 14/4
HerO < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > TRUE
Jaedong < Fighting Spirit > Argo
aLive < Akilon Wastes > TY
JYP < Whirlwind LE > ALBM (check)
Oz < Naro Station > Terminator
Zenio < Newkirk Redevelopment Precinct > Cure
< Korhal Floating Island >

HerO sent out on Bel'Shir Vestige and Naro Station
Oz sent out on Naro Stations and Neo Planet S
EGTL probably intends to send a P on Naro Station regardless.

Zenio sent out on Newkirk Redevelopment Precint
JYP sent out on Whirlwind LE
aLive sent out on Akilon Wastes
Likely that they only practiced this map for both matches.

Jaedong sent out on Fighting Spirit and Korhal Floating Island
Incidentally both maps were in the pool and also the ace map for both days, it is likely that EGTL already planned to send JD if both ace matches and get him to practice these 2 maps.

is it fair to say that they predict flash or perhaps jd was the plan all along?
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 03:34:51
April 16 2013 03:33 GMT
#1796
Alive got a D+ in his match, and Jaedong got a C+ on the ACE match.

Very rare to see a D+ for a player in proleague, and I thought Jaedong played worse in ACE match than Alive's showing.
D+ terran, maybe I can beat him with my D+ protoss.

JYP, Crazy and Stats's ACE match got A+.
NeilChatelain
Profile Joined March 2011
Peru5 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 04:08:13
April 16 2013 04:07 GMT
#1797
Hmmm... so far there have been 33 PvXs in R4 (Hots) with a 66.66% win rate for protoss. I think that's a lot.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 16 2013 05:37 GMT
#1798
On April 16 2013 09:09 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 03:44 Whatson wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.

Yeah idk why you would send out JD when you know it's going to be Flash (who isn't going to make the same silly mistake again) or Stats (JD simply sucks at ZvP). So idk, maybe Coach Park had a cheese planned out for him.


You seriously expect Flash not to repeat the same silly mistake again? lol
That's Flash's one huge weakness, his stubbornness.


Yeah, I'm sure that he's going to stubbornly insist on getting his army caught and all of it dying.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 16 2013 05:45 GMT
#1799
On April 16 2013 11:11 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 10:37 lichter wrote:
On April 16 2013 03:26 blade55555 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:48 tuho12345 wrote:
On April 16 2013 02:46 EpiK wrote:
On April 16 2013 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:53 Slardar wrote:
Oh my God we couldn't close it out after 3-0? Dammit all....they should've put HerO as the Ace though. As much as I love JD, he's quite unreliable in ZvP he's a prime snipe candidate.


Yeah, Jaedong was a very questionable ace match choice due to this ZvP.

coach park might've been expecting flash

even if it was Flash, there is no way JD can beat Flash in a macro game. He got lucky once cuz Flash didn't pay attention to 5 hellions and 2 WM but man such a stupid choice to use JD for an expecting ZvZ.


LOL. I love people who are so delusional about flash. Yes jaedong can beat flash in a macro game I can guarantee it. People seem to have this odd illusion that jaedongs bad zvp = he's bad at everything else. So hilarious how delusional people like you are about Flash or jaedong in general.

I will say really sad to see egtl go from 3-0 to lose 4-3 and I really wish jaedong would improve that zvp T_T.


He's 1-5 in Ace matches

I keep hearing he is clutch but I am just not seeing it. He is constantly letting his team down. He missed Code S by a game twice and choked against Life in the finals of MLG.


Being clutch doesn't mean that you win every single important game. Look at his list of accomplishments. You don't get that by being someone who can't handle high pressure situations and important games. The first time he lost in U&D's he was still very new to the game (he was one of very few to make it through the qualifiers on his first try, and he only didn't make it through because of the tiebreaker system). The second time, he won his final two games in the group, but again only didn't make it because of the tiebreaker system.

As for him choking against Life... Seriously? He'd played the expansion for two days and lost to the best player on the planet in a 4-2 series. If you consider that to be choking, then I guess that every time someone loses a game they choked instead of simply being outplayed.
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 05:52:28
April 16 2013 05:52 GMT
#1800
edit :wrong thread sry
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