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Sc2zero7
Profile Joined February 2012
United States574 Posts
April 07 2013 04:00 GMT
#221
He also used Void Rays in that game where in WOL he would have just straight lost because of the lack of charge. You could say its not a different unit but units with a change in mechanics is considered a new unit to me because it changes the value and use of said unit.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 04:01:14
April 07 2013 04:00 GMT
#222
On April 07 2013 12:59 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?


You don't need new unit composition to be amazing game. Few new units mix in change the way you play the game entirely...


But how is that "oh HOTS is 10x times better than WoL?"

TvP is basically the same, none of the new units and new factors come in to change the unit composition. This single game is awesome and that's it. It has nothing to do with HOTS, (in TvP)
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
April 07 2013 04:00 GMT
#223
On April 07 2013 12:59 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:55 Kieofire wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:54 Fenrax wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:49 ThomasR wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:49 AgentW wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:48 Goldfish wrote:
There needs to be more hype for Proleague now.

It doesn't matter if it's Team 8 or <insert team here that "is not" SKT or KT or EGTL> here.

The games have been amazing.

I hate to start up the caster and production bashing again, but if these teams were playing in GSTL with all other things equal, I think there's plenty of hype.

just watch the korean stream

it's entertaining even if you don't understand korean (i don't)



Link? couldnt find in OP.




There you go.


I'm german T_T

Gema blocks pretty much everything in their war against Youtube here, even Proleague.

Is there a VLC stream or something?


pm sent
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 07 2013 04:01 GMT
#224
On April 07 2013 12:59 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?


You don't need new unit composition to be amazing game. Few new units mix in change the way you play the game entirely...


Speed Medivac, Oracle...
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 04:01 GMT
#225
On April 07 2013 12:59 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:55 Kieofire wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:54 Fenrax wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:49 ThomasR wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:49 AgentW wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:48 Goldfish wrote:
There needs to be more hype for Proleague now.

It doesn't matter if it's Team 8 or <insert team here that "is not" SKT or KT or EGTL> here.

The games have been amazing.

I hate to start up the caster and production bashing again, but if these teams were playing in GSTL with all other things equal, I think there's plenty of hype.

just watch the korean stream

it's entertaining even if you don't understand korean (i don't)



Link? couldnt find in OP.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYrIbOC6ZXE&feature=player_embedded

There you go.


I'm german T_T

Gema blocks pretty much everything in their war against Youtube here, even Proleague.

Is there a VLC stream or something?


Why is it that only Germans don't run the unblockers for youtube and other sites?

Get Hola unblocker for your browser or other extension to stop that filth
The curse is real
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 07 2013 04:01 GMT
#226
On April 07 2013 12:59 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:58 AgentW wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?

The one known as the Oracle.


How does oracle changes unit composition? Everyone builds one, and it's out of the army.

And oh yeah! We have an oracle. Such a huge change in unit composition right now!


Composition is irrelevant. Adding in new options in the form of new units changes the way the game must be played, because it opens new strategies and closes others. The matchup is in many ways more interesting now.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 04:02:08
April 07 2013 04:01 GMT
#227
On April 07 2013 12:59 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:58 AgentW wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?

The one known as the Oracle.


How does oracle changes unit composition? Everyone builds one, and it's out of the army.

And oh yeah! We have an oracle. Such a huge change in unit composition right now!

People are beginning to experiment with Phoenix in TvP a bit too, which only a few people (NonY comes to mind) did in WoL.

Furthermore, it's not all about new units. Tanks are being invested into more heavily in TvP because of not having to invest in siege.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 07 2013 04:01 GMT
#228
On April 07 2013 13:00 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:59 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?


You don't need new unit composition to be amazing game. Few new units mix in change the way you play the game entirely...


But how is that "oh HOTS is 10x times better than WoL?"

TvP is basically the same. This single game is awesome and that's it. It has nothing to do with HOTS, (in TvP)


You don't see how nexus canon,speed medivac,recall,oracle affect the gameplay? There was none of that in WoL.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 07 2013 04:02 GMT
#229
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
April 07 2013 04:02 GMT
#230
Their whole goal of HOTS beta is "to make mech viable in TvP"

And yeah! Mech TvP is viable now in professional plays because we have 4 widow mines in the early game in TvP!
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
April 07 2013 04:02 GMT
#231
On April 07 2013 13:01 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:00 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:59 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?


You don't need new unit composition to be amazing game. Few new units mix in change the way you play the game entirely...


But how is that "oh HOTS is 10x times better than WoL?"

It said "unit composition". I don't mean the meta
TvP is basically the same. This single game is awesome and that's it. It has nothing to do with HOTS, (in TvP)


You don't see how nexus canon,speed medivac,recall,oracle affect the gameplay? There was none of that in WoL.

Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
April 07 2013 04:02 GMT
#232
On April 07 2013 12:58 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?

The one known as the Oracle.

I just saw in this game:
Oracle
void Rays
MSC
tanks
Mines

All of them i wont see if it was wol.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 04:05:36
April 07 2013 04:02 GMT
#233
On April 07 2013 13:00 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:59 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:57 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:56 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 07 2013 12:55 larse wrote:
How is 10x better than WoL?

It doesn't have anything new except the mothership core.

All unit compositions are exactly the same in TvP in WoL and HOTS.

Very uninspiring.


what is this... I don't even...


Give me an example of how the unit composition in TvP changed from WoL to HOTS, except mothershipcore and 2-4 widow mine in the early game?


You don't need new unit composition to be amazing game. Few new units mix in change the way you play the game entirely...


But how is that "oh HOTS is 10x times better than WoL?"

TvP is basically the same, none of the new units and new factors come in to change the unit composition. This single game is awesome and that's it. It has nothing to do with HOTS, (in TvP)


On April 07 2013 13:02 larse wrote:
Their whole goal of HOTS beta is "to make mech viable in TvP"

And yeah! Mech TvP is viable now in professional plays because we have 4 widow mines in the early game in TvP!



You may think, what will 1 new unit do for the game? Well, the mothership core, while simple it itself, expands the possibilities for Protoss. It is more about the possibilities that the units give than the units themselves. This roughly translates to the overall "better" games. Of course, the new units themselves are great, too.

That is one of the goals of HotS, but it is, by far, not the "whole" goal.
4 widow mines in the early game changes a lot... See above paragraph.

From SC1 to BW, there were only a few units added to each race. These few units *completely* changed the game (i.e. the possibilities).
T P Z sagi
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 07 2013 04:02 GMT
#234
On April 07 2013 13:02 larse wrote:
Their whole goal of HOTS beta is "to make mech viable in TvP"

And yeah! Mech TvP is viable now in professional plays because we have 4 widow mines in the early game in TvP!

I guess it's time to reintroduce the Warhound then.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 07 2013 04:03 GMT
#235
hahaha so clutch
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rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
April 07 2013 04:03 GMT
#236
Shit that was sloppy yet funny
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27013 Posts
April 07 2013 04:03 GMT
#237
I fucking love Proleague, so good. Feels like I'm watching a sports broadcast on TV, which you don't get with most other productions, quality games, a genuine 'team' vibe and reaction cams.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
April 07 2013 04:04 GMT
#238
Noooooo not stim I thought Bbyong would go mech
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
April 07 2013 04:04 GMT
#239
It is still beyond me how Terminator can win anything ever. He is like the worst player I have ever seen trying to seriously play SC2 -.-
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 07 2013 04:04 GMT
#240
On April 07 2013 13:02 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:02 larse wrote:
Their whole goal of HOTS beta is "to make mech viable in TvP"

And yeah! Mech TvP is viable now in professional plays because we have 4 widow mines in the early game in TvP!

I guess it's time to reintroduce the Warhound then.


They did it already.
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