EPT[GSTL] AZUBU vs. Prime 2013 Season 1 - Page 39
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artosismermaid
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well. I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:18 Havik_ wrote: What did FXO get a warning for? We got a warning? | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:25 tomatriedes wrote: swarm hosts don't seem to achieve a hell of a lot that another unit couldn't do better. Should have spend on those resources on lings/blings. SH is terrible against bio. Should be used only against Terran mech in ZvT. | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:21 sitromit wrote: Nydus loads/unloads too slow in SC2 for it to be used to respond to drops. It's also really easy to snipe. Nydus/SH Gretorp style! While I definitely agree SC2 Nyduses are incredibly awful, I wonder how practical that combo would work for a mobile base defense =P. SHs pack a big punch and the unload time doesn't hurt them as much as ling/bling. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:31 ssxsilver wrote: Nydus/SH Gretorp style! While I definitely agree SC2 Nyduses are incredibly awful, I wonder how practical that combo would work for a mobile base defense =P. SHs pack a big punch and the unload time doesn't hurt them as much as ling/bling. Nydus/SH is gimmicky and only situational. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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tuho12345
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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biaxiong
United States180 Posts
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:33 tuho12345 wrote: why the fuck would anyone build SH against bio terran? I mean yeah they give you extra dps but shit I'd rather build more vipers for binding cloud and infestors. Stop crying about SH it's sick good again Terran mech and also Zerg can use it to harass, not moving around like retards. They are actually really good for mine shot baiting & baiting armies into banelings | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
Zergs have been too used to attack moving to victory.. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:35 TimENT wrote: They are actually really good for mine shot baiting & baiting armies into banelings But he barely had any Banelings after he wasted 30+ into 15 workers + some buildings and a few Marines. Not to mention a smart Terran will never engange locusts on a map with enough space until he thinks he can kill the swarm hosts too. They're only good when your opponent has to constantly fight the locust . | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:35 TimENT wrote: They are actually really good for mine shot baiting & baiting armies into banelings But is it worth the investment? Answer is no. You never go SH against Bio. Even roach/hydra or muta ling is better. SH is good against Terran mech. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:28 Lunareste wrote: I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. Prior to the queen patch Symbol won the qualifier for Iron Squid, made it to the ro8, 3-0'd MKP, then 3-1'd Nestea, and finally lost 2-4 to MMA (MMA still had imba TvZ as well back then). That alone earns him recognition from me. He was also working his way up to code S, having already defeated sC and Seed, patch hit when he faced Jjakji to qualify. It's not the Zerg community that overhypes players exclusively, that's the sc2 community in general. Symbol, however, was right to be hyped. Aside from Life(who stole his thunder) I don't think anyone save for Squirlte had a higher peak performance than Symbol in 2012. The guy absolutely just exploded onto the scene. Reverse all-killed IM, made a MLG arena final, qualified for OSL, and barely got knocked out in the ro8 all while seemingly coming out of nowhere. The best part was, he did it in style too showcasing a variety of innovative play (which he doesn't do as much anymore :/ ) Even after Life, I might have even said Symbol has shown the best lategame of any Zerg. For me personally, I pulled a Fionn and went full-hipster the first time he squared off against IM. He didn't all-kill or anything but his playstyle led me to believe he'd be great in the future. (This was in the first GSTL season of 2012) | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:32 Emzeeshady wrote: ... Symbol's run was incredibly impressive despite Zerg being favoured at that moment in ZvT. He had to beat plenty of amazing Zerg and Protoss players as well as beating the best TvZ player Innovation. He will be great in HOTS. It may take some Terran nerfs and more practice but I would not be surprised to see him challenge for a GSL again. Like I said, I don't want to sound like I'm trying to shit on him too hard. I think he's probably a top 5 to 8 Zerg, but I also think there are other much better players than him. Today isn't the first time that he's gotten deathball syndrome and failed against multitask. edit: and obviously part of that is composition based as well. Ultralisks and Brood Lords are still very bulky and not as mobile as lower tech Zerg units; of course they're going to have a harder time dealing with single drops more than something like 8 banelings. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On March 30 2013 15:33 tuho12345 wrote: why the fuck would anyone build SH against bio terran? I mean yeah they give you extra dps but shit I'd rather build more vipers for binding cloud and infestors. Stop crying about SH it's sick good again Terran mech and also Zerg can use it to harass, not moving around like retards. I'm pretty sure Life got crushed when he went swarmhosts vs Last's mech at MLG Dallas. Game 5 he went muta-ling-bane vs mech and won. On March 30 2013 15:28 Lunareste wrote: I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. Symbol's first major achievement was 2nd place at Iron Squid, before the queen patch. | ||
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