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On March 30 2013 15:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:28 Lunareste wrote:On March 30 2013 15:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:20 s3rp wrote:
Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene. Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well. I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. Prior to the queen patch Symbol won the qualifier for Iron Squid, made it to the ro8, 3-0'd MKP, then 3-1'd Nestea, and finally lost 2-4 to MMA (MMA still had imba TvZ as well back then). That alone earns him recognition from me. He was also working his way up to code S, having already defeated sC and Seed, patch hit when he faced Jjakji to qualify. It's not the Zerg community that overhypes players exclusively, that's the sc2 community in general. Symbol, however, was right to be hyped. Aside from Life(who stole his thunder) I don't think anyone save for Squirlte had a higher peak performance than Symbol in 2012. The guy absolutely just exploded onto the scene. Reverse all-killed IM, made a MLG arena final, qualified for OSL, and barely got knocked out in the ro8 all while seemingly coming out of nowhere. The best part was, he did it in style too showcasing a variety of innovative play (which he doesn't do as much anymore :/ ) Even after Life, I might have even said Symbol has shown the best lategame of any Zerg. For me personally, I pulled a Fionn and went full-hipster the first time he squared off against IM. He didn't all-kill or anything but his playstyle led me to believe he'd be great in the future. so prepatch he had one good tournament run - there are a lot of players who do that and fall off, so it's not thaaattt notable i would contend that many many players had higher peaks than symbol in 2012. taeja, marineking, dongraegu, rain, creator, parting, life, leenock
It actually is notable when he 3-0s MKP at his best point in his career, 3-1s the best ZvZ, and puts up an admirable 2-4 against MMAvZ. It at least buys him the benefit of not being disregarded as being carried by his race.
I was judging his peak more by the quality of his gameplay as brief as it was(he nosedived after losing to Seed). In pure results, he gets slaughtered.
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On March 30 2013 16:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:43 opterown wrote:On March 30 2013 15:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:28 Lunareste wrote:On March 30 2013 15:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:20 s3rp wrote:
Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene. Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well. I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. Prior to the queen patch Symbol won the qualifier for Iron Squid, made it to the ro8, 3-0'd MKP, then 3-1'd Nestea, and finally lost 2-4 to MMA (MMA still had imba TvZ as well back then). That alone earns him recognition from me. He was also working his way up to code S, having already defeated sC and Seed, patch hit when he faced Jjakji to qualify. It's not the Zerg community that overhypes players exclusively, that's the sc2 community in general. Symbol, however, was right to be hyped. Aside from Life(who stole his thunder) I don't think anyone save for Squirlte had a higher peak performance than Symbol in 2012. The guy absolutely just exploded onto the scene. Reverse all-killed IM, made a MLG arena final, qualified for OSL, and barely got knocked out in the ro8 all while seemingly coming out of nowhere. The best part was, he did it in style too showcasing a variety of innovative play (which he doesn't do as much anymore :/ ) Even after Life, I might have even said Symbol has shown the best lategame of any Zerg. For me personally, I pulled a Fionn and went full-hipster the first time he squared off against IM. He didn't all-kill or anything but his playstyle led me to believe he'd be great in the future. so prepatch he had one good tournament run - there are a lot of players who do that and fall off, so it's not thaaattt notable i would contend that many many players had higher peaks than symbol in 2012. taeja, marineking, dongraegu, rain, creator, parting, life, leenock It actually is notable when he 3-0s MKP at his best point in his career, 3-1s the best ZvZ, and puts up an admirable 2-4 against MMAvZ. It at least buys him the benefit of not being disregarded as being carried by his race. I was judging his peak more by the quality of his gameplay as brief as it was(he nosedived after losing to Seed). In pure results, he gets slaughtered.
to be fair that series was played a few hours after MKP landed after IPL and TvZ was always MKP's worst matchup during that time (he was about 58% there as opposed to 80% in the other two). Symbol did show good preparation at the ISQ live event, though.
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Damn it I was choosing between Byun and Keen for my fantasy and I choose keen. I knew that was a mistake
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I think Barbie is probably the most attractive female SC2 player now. Like, easily. She kind of looks like Ailee. Prime coach is lucky.
I forgot about Aphrodite, but I think these two are close enough for it to be opinion based on who is more attractive. I'd still go with Barbie, but it's close.
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On March 30 2013 16:11 MinzySC2 wrote:
I think Barbie is probably the most attractive female SC2 player now. Like, easily. She kind of looks like Ailee. Prime coach is lucky.
Females getting plastic surgery in Korea is the norm.
Family even give their own children plastic surgery when they come of age.
It is pretty normal.
Though i am not sure whether she does plastic surgery.
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There's probably some lucky guy out there with all three on their team.
Probably forgot the FGSTL was even happening too. Just picked em quickly, never bothered to look. *shakes fist*
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Wow, so glad I picked Byun as my prime terran.
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mines, SH, vipers doesnt force micro from zerg omg... a alot of multitasking and awareness/positioning
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JESUS lol, Byun just destroyed azubu :O
But BWAHAHAHAHA I have prime as my fpl team. Never would have thought they'd own so hard keke.
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On March 30 2013 15:13 infKelsier wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:10 WhiteSatin wrote:On March 30 2013 15:05 infKelsier wrote:On March 30 2013 15:03 WhiteSatin wrote:this is so fucking sick to watch, such a HUGE improvement over broodlord + infestor A-move towards win vs P and T HELL YEAH!!! p.s. seems like symbol has a harder time now that he actually has to deal with multi tasking  ) cant sit back and a move anymore lol This is really unfair I remember Symbol playing vs some terran using the BL infestor style but also using Nydus network and managing every base whilst holding drops don't talk shit I'm not talking shit, Symbol is the Zerg player that has used BL+Infestor out of all the Z players... Ever. Just watch every single GSL match he has played, he relied a ton on that combo of units. You make it sound like if used nydus every game lol He used the strongest strategy available =/= can't multitask he proved he is capable of it but he used BL infestor because it won him many games
Yeah, and Artosis praised symbol for playing one of the best WoL games EVER. But I guess he doesnt know what hes talking about..
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Sweden33723 Posts
On March 30 2013 16:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:43 opterown wrote:On March 30 2013 15:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:28 Lunareste wrote:On March 30 2013 15:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:20 s3rp wrote:
Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene. Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well. I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. Prior to the queen patch Symbol won the qualifier for Iron Squid, made it to the ro8, 3-0'd MKP, then 3-1'd Nestea, and finally lost 2-4 to MMA (MMA still had imba TvZ as well back then). That alone earns him recognition from me. He was also working his way up to code S, having already defeated sC and Seed, patch hit when he faced Jjakji to qualify. It's not the Zerg community that overhypes players exclusively, that's the sc2 community in general. Symbol, however, was right to be hyped. Aside from Life(who stole his thunder) I don't think anyone save for Squirlte had a higher peak performance than Symbol in 2012. The guy absolutely just exploded onto the scene. Reverse all-killed IM, made a MLG arena final, qualified for OSL, and barely got knocked out in the ro8 all while seemingly coming out of nowhere. The best part was, he did it in style too showcasing a variety of innovative play (which he doesn't do as much anymore :/ ) Even after Life, I might have even said Symbol has shown the best lategame of any Zerg. For me personally, I pulled a Fionn and went full-hipster the first time he squared off against IM. He didn't all-kill or anything but his playstyle led me to believe he'd be great in the future. so prepatch he had one good tournament run - there are a lot of players who do that and fall off, so it's not thaaattt notable i would contend that many many players had higher peaks than symbol in 2012. taeja, marineking, dongraegu, rain, creator, parting, life, leenock It actually is notable when he 3-0s MKP at his best point in his career, 3-1s the best ZvZ, and puts up an admirable 2-4 against MMAvZ. It at least buys him the benefit of not being disregarded as being carried by his race. I was judging his peak more by the quality of his gameplay as brief as it was(he nosedived after losing to Seed). In pure results, he gets slaughtered.
Just want to add that I think Symbol looked absolutely terrifying for a while, not just because of his race but he just played really really well, so I agree with you; the high regard he's held in comes from how he played not his results.
Byun vs symbol made me miss scourges.
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On March 30 2013 16:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:43 opterown wrote:On March 30 2013 15:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:28 Lunareste wrote:On March 30 2013 15:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 30 2013 15:20 s3rp wrote:
Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene. Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well. I don't remember hearing much about Symbol before the Queendralisk patch, tbh. Symbol has always been overhyped though by the Zerg community though. You know how Tastosis joke about "the next zerg bonjwa"? That's because that's EXACTLY how the Zerg community is regarding new players who do well in a game or two. I don't want to discount Symbol's accomplishments in the final WOL GSL, he did beat some good players to get to the finals, but cmon...we all know what balance was like for Zerg at the end of Wings of Liberty. Prior to the queen patch Symbol won the qualifier for Iron Squid, made it to the ro8, 3-0'd MKP, then 3-1'd Nestea, and finally lost 2-4 to MMA (MMA still had imba TvZ as well back then). That alone earns him recognition from me. He was also working his way up to code S, having already defeated sC and Seed, patch hit when he faced Jjakji to qualify. It's not the Zerg community that overhypes players exclusively, that's the sc2 community in general. Symbol, however, was right to be hyped. Aside from Life(who stole his thunder) I don't think anyone save for Squirlte had a higher peak performance than Symbol in 2012. The guy absolutely just exploded onto the scene. Reverse all-killed IM, made a MLG arena final, qualified for OSL, and barely got knocked out in the ro8 all while seemingly coming out of nowhere. The best part was, he did it in style too showcasing a variety of innovative play (which he doesn't do as much anymore :/ ) Even after Life, I might have even said Symbol has shown the best lategame of any Zerg. For me personally, I pulled a Fionn and went full-hipster the first time he squared off against IM. He didn't all-kill or anything but his playstyle led me to believe he'd be great in the future. so prepatch he had one good tournament run - there are a lot of players who do that and fall off, so it's not thaaattt notable i would contend that many many players had higher peaks than symbol in 2012. taeja, marineking, dongraegu, rain, creator, parting, life, leenock It actually is notable when he 3-0s MKP at his best point in his career, 3-1s the best ZvZ, and puts up an admirable 2-4 against MMAvZ. It at least buys him the benefit of not being disregarded as being carried by his race. I was judging his peak more by the quality of his gameplay as brief as it was(he nosedived after losing to Seed). In pure results, he gets slaughtered.
Did you watch the games against mkp back then? Symbol foach/baneling busted 3times in a row. It was just a terrible series by mkp, but by no means an indicator of symbol's skill.
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sweeeet, I have Byun and Prime on my fgstl
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On March 30 2013 05:10 Mensol wrote:
prime is my team, byun is on my team. symbol, vines and sleep on my anti.
You better dont dissapoint me Prime.
ByuN
ByuN
ByuN
ByuN
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Is everyone conspiring against my FGTSL??!?!?
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7 points tonight for Maru and Prime.
Not bad.
Makes me wish I had picked up Byun though. Oh well. It's a long season.
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On March 30 2013 15:53 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:46 TimENT wrote:On March 30 2013 15:38 FakeDeath wrote:On March 30 2013 15:35 TimENT wrote:On March 30 2013 15:33 tuho12345 wrote:
why the fuck would anyone build SH against bio terran? I mean yeah they give you extra dps but shit I'd rather build more vipers for binding cloud and infestors. Stop crying about SH it's sick good again Terran mech and also Zerg can use it to harass, not moving around like retards. They are actually really good for mine shot baiting & baiting armies into banelings But is it worth the investment? Answer is no. You never go SH against Bio. Even roach/hydra or muta ling is better. SH is good against Terran mech. Hey man, it's obvious that you've figured out the game so I guess I'll stop talking. Better go tell Life, Symbol, Jaedong, Monster, and every other Korean Zerg that swarm hosts are completely useless. And yes I've seen every single one of those players use swam hosts v Bio and not get dominated AT ALL. lol.? Life did not make a single SH at all during his MLG run except that one game vs Last mech where he lost and only making a SH to bait mine shot. Life basically was playing WoL style all the way in the tournament (muta-ling into Bls/Ultras/Infestor with a bit of Viper in Game 1 vs Flash) and straight up beating everyone else because he was just better. SH doesn't fit Life style who like to be mobile and aggressive.
Swarm Hosts can fit Life's style if he use them properly and if he wants to attack multiple location at once. Infestors has the same speed of Swarm Hosts, guess which unit was Life known for in WoL?
Swarm Hosts are great units that players still don't know how to use. Blade55555 released Korean GM replay pack where he always goes Roach/Ling/Baneling/Muta into Swarm Hosts into Hive, only against Bio Terrans, it worked great for him, Swarm Host just isn't like Brood Lord or some other simple units, you can achieve a lot with it, but you have to use it smartly.
Also, MVP.Monster won HSL, and he won the game with Swarm Hosts against Hack on the Akilon Wastes. Just because you think that they are bad because you didn't see them work vs. Bio, doesn't make them bad.
On March 30 2013 15:55 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:46 TimENT wrote:On March 30 2013 15:38 FakeDeath wrote:On March 30 2013 15:35 TimENT wrote:On March 30 2013 15:33 tuho12345 wrote:
why the fuck would anyone build SH against bio terran? I mean yeah they give you extra dps but shit I'd rather build more vipers for binding cloud and infestors. Stop crying about SH it's sick good again Terran mech and also Zerg can use it to harass, not moving around like retards. They are actually really good for mine shot baiting & baiting armies into banelings But is it worth the investment? Answer is no. You never go SH against Bio. Even roach/hydra or muta ling is better. SH is good against Terran mech. Hey man, it's obvious that you've figured out the game so I guess I'll stop talking. Better go tell Life, Symbol, Jaedong, Monster, and every other Korean Zerg that swarm hosts are completely useless. And yes I've seen every single one of those players use swam hosts v Bio and not get dominated AT ALL. I want to see all those games of symbol and monster with SH. oh but those games don't exists. Jaedong, uses them often in ladder, but his w/r with them is not that good.
I like how you are talking right out of your ass. If you want to see Monster beating Hack and Oz, go watch HSL games.
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I knew picking Byun would pay of.
Ok, I didn't knew, and I was worried he would fluke, and choosing him was a risk, but still very glad to see him perform.
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Yeah ByuN all-kill as expected! Got him in my FPL :D.
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