EPT[GSTL] AZUBU vs. Prime 2013 Season 1 - Page 42
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
go watch HSL games. what the hell is hsl. it must be the most underground league ever | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 30 2013 17:29 TeeTS wrote: Did you watch the games against mkp back then? Symbol foach/baneling busted 3times in a row. It was just a terrible series by mkp, but by no means an indicator of symbol's skill. DRG roach/baneling busted all the time in TvZ prior to the queenpatch. He won an MLG just doing that. It was THE build prepatch in TvZ. This one and Stephano style. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On March 30 2013 18:13 Ramiz1989 wrote: Swarm Hosts can fit Life's style if he use them properly and if he wants to attack multiple location at once. Infestors has the same speed of Swarm Hosts, guess which unit was Life known for in WoL? Swarm Hosts are great units that players still don't know how to use. Blade55555 released Korean GM replay pack where he always goes Roach/Ling/Baneling/Muta into Swarm Hosts into Hive, only against Bio Terrans, it worked great for him, Swarm Host just isn't like Brood Lord or some other simple units, you can achieve a lot with it, but you have to use it smartly. Also, MVP.Monster won HSL, and he won the game with Swarm Hosts against Hack on the Akilon Wastes. Just because you think that they are bad because you didn't see them work vs. Bio, doesn't make them bad. I like how you are talking right out of your ass. If you want to see Monster beating Hack and Oz, go watch HSL games. You have no idea what you're talking about. Life's known unit for WoL was his zerglings, by the time infestors were out Life usually had done extremely cost efficient trades with his zerglings that the game was practically already over. Swarm Hosts are terrible against bio as bio are way too mobile for the swarm hosts to deal with, do a drop and then you have a lot less support for the swarm hosts, boost around the locusts scan and kill the swarm hosts and whatever is left around. There are just so many ways for bio to out maneuver Swarm Hosts for them to be effective in my opinion. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
The Byunjwa lives! :D | ||
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Inzan1ty
1163 Posts
Kinda had that feeling Prime was really underestimated, Terran reigns in HotS, they can win it all imo | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On March 30 2013 11:00 The_Templar wrote: Byun allkill please! :D !!! Maybe I should start predicting people on my FGSTL team... | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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hstq
Czech Republic26 Posts
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andrewnguyener
United States548 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 30 2013 19:05 MonkSEA wrote: You have no idea what you're talking about. Life's known unit for WoL was his zerglings, by the time infestors were out Life usually had done extremely cost efficient trades with his zerglings that the game was practically already over. Swarm Hosts are terrible against bio as bio are way too mobile for the swarm hosts to deal with, do a drop and then you have a lot less support for the swarm hosts, boost around the locusts scan and kill the swarm hosts and whatever is left around. There are just so many ways for bio to out maneuver Swarm Hosts for them to be effective in my opinion. I know what I am talking about. Life was known for his Zerglings AND doing aggressive 2-base Infestors pushes, catching opponents offguard, and using them with the burrow movement for ambushes. You are saying like Swarm Hosts are the only unit there, you should be using them like Terran is using Siege Tanks, WITH support... For everybody saying something like this, just watch Hack vs. Monster from HSL already. Whenever Hack wanted to attack Swarm Hosts and evaded Locusts, a tons of Lings and Banelings came to protect Swarm Hosts, and Hack had to back off. You are also thinking that people should rush Swarm Hosts, they don't, because they are immobile as they are and you will have problems with first few drops. You should go for Mutas/Lings/Banelings first, to be mobile and be able to deny drops, and then after that get Swarm Hosts while do transition to the Hive. Swarm Hosts makes your engagement much easier, since Locusts tank Mines/Tank shots really well, and Bio units have to kite them otherwise he will be losing units for nothing. And you don't engage armies head-on with the Swarm Hosts, you are doing it from 15+ range, where there is no danger for them. Most pros I've saw burrow them so close, that it is inevitable for them to be killed, and even worse, they don't move them at all when they release Locusts, they just leave them there burrowed. You have to be active with them all the time if you are already coming that close with them. I like how people see bad use of a Swarm Hosts by the Pros and say how that unit is bad. I can admit that they are worse against Bio than against Mech/Protoss, but they are not terrible as you say and they take more skill to be used effectively. On March 30 2013 18:55 xuanzue wrote: what the hell is hsl. it must be the most underground league ever Just as I thought you couldn't be more ignorant, saying how there are no games with Monster using Swarm Hosts, when I say where you can find them, you then start to bash the "league", and it isn't even the league, it was the tournament with Hack, Oz, Maru, Monster, Hyun, San, SuperNova and Lucky. I don't even know why I argue with someone as ignorant as you are. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
Too bad for Azubu... Never want to see them get that shut down again.. | ||
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Whalecore
Norway1110 Posts
I couldn't have chosen a worse GSTL fantasy team I think :D Buyn so strong wow | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 30 2013 23:05 Ramiz1989 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2013 19:05 MonkSEA wrote: You have no idea what you're talking about. Life's known unit for WoL was his zerglings, by the time infestors were out Life usually had done extremely cost efficient trades with his zerglings that the game was practically already over. Swarm Hosts are terrible against bio as bio are way too mobile for the swarm hosts to deal with, do a drop and then you have a lot less support for the swarm hosts, boost around the locusts scan and kill the swarm hosts and whatever is left around. There are just so many ways for bio to out maneuver Swarm Hosts for them to be effective in my opinion. I know what I am talking about. Life was known for his Zerglings AND doing aggressive 2-base Infestors pushes, catching opponents offguard, and using them with the burrow movement for ambushes. You are saying like Swarm Hosts are the only unit there, you should be using them like Terran is using Siege Tanks, WITH support... For everybody saying something like this, just watch Hack vs. Monster from HSL already. Whenever Hack wanted to attack Swarm Hosts and evaded Locusts, a tons of Lings and Banelings came to protect Swarm Hosts, and Hack had to back off. You are also thinking that people should rush Swarm Hosts, they don't, because they are immobile as they are and you will have problems with first few drops. You should go for Mutas/Lings/Banelings first, to be mobile and be able to deny drops, and then after that get Swarm Hosts while do transition to the Hive. Swarm Hosts makes your engagement much easier, since Locusts tank Mines/Tank shots really well, and Bio units have to kite them otherwise he will be losing units for nothing. And you don't engage armies head-on with the Swarm Hosts, you are doing it from 15+ range, where there is no danger for them. Most pros I've saw burrow them so close, that it is inevitable for them to be killed, and even worse, they don't move them at all when they release Locusts, they just leave them there burrowed. You have to be active with them all the time if you are already coming that close with them. I like how people see bad use of a Swarm Hosts by the Pros and say how that unit is bad. I can admit that they are worse against Bio than against Mech/Protoss, but they are not terrible as you say and they take more skill to be used effectively. On March 30 2013 18:55 xuanzue wrote: what the hell is hsl. it must be the most underground league ever Just as I thought you couldn't be more ignorant, saying how there are no games with Monster using Swarm Hosts, when I say where you can find them, you then start to bash the "league", and it isn't even the league, it was the tournament with Hack, Oz, Maru, Monster, Hyun, San, SuperNova and Lucky. I don't even know why I argue with someone as ignorant as you are. I find it very unlikely that Life will be using Swarm Hosts in the near future. He used BL/Infestor in WoL only somewhat reluctantly because it was the most (only?) viable late-game composition, and the SH isn't really a late-game unit, but rather a mid-game unit. In the mid-game, Life will almost always go for ling/bane and mutalisks except for when all-inning. The immobility of the SH does not fit Life's style, and though it is potent if used correctly (as shown by Monster in HSL), none of the more aggressive Zergs (DRG comes to mind, with his affinity for ling/bane/muta ) will be using them regularly anytime soon. | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 31 2013 00:44 Zealously wrote: I find it very unlikely that Life will be using Swarm Hosts in the near future. He used BL/Infestor in WoL only somewhat reluctantly because it was the most (only?) viable late-game composition, and the SH isn't really a late-game unit, but rather a mid-game unit. In the mid-game, Life will almost always go for ling/bane and mutalisks except for when all-inning. The immobility of the SH does not fit Life's style, and though it is potent if used correctly (as shown by Monster in HSL), none of the more aggressive Zergs (DRG comes to mind, with his affinity for ling/bane/muta ) will be using them regularly anytime soon. Yes, it could be possible, but we will have to wait and see. Even if Life was using the most mobile army, I am not talking about Brood Lords/Infestor army composition, but mid-game Infestor pushes, and Infestor rush that he often did in WoL. He could've gone for Mutalisks, Infestors have the same speed of Swarm Hosts. Also, Muta/Ling/Baneling into Vipers/Ultras is very mobile and popular, he still has been using Brood Lords and Infestors against some Terran players even though it isn't "the best" solution. As far as I see it, Life is trying out stuff, and is using what works. He was trying Swarm Hosts vs. Last on Whirlwind, so he thought that they would work, but even then he didn't really use them correctly. Anyway, we will know in a next few months what works and what doesn't. | ||
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