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On March 30 2013 15:16 glzElectromaster wrote:WarhoundPrime! Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:14 PhoenixVoid wrote: Felt that AZUBU had a better chance if their coach made better decisions than Vines or San. Symbol had the game clenched, but he screwed up his defense and got overconfident I suppose. Hm, I don't disagree with San, but maybe VINES could have been someone else. Was it Iris that chose them lineup? He's new, right? in the coaching scene.
I disagreed.
I mean not one expected Sound to + Show Spoiler +
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On March 30 2013 15:18 Havik_ wrote: What did FXO get a warning for? It was deduced in the other thread yesterday that they were warned for not using GuMiho. as for an official reason, I am not sure
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On March 30 2013 15:13 scaban84 wrote: Zerg suddenly requires so much micro now. The addition of Swarm Hosts and Vipers mean you need to be a micro god. Terran got simplified. Drop micro, drop micro, drop micro.
Giving Zerg micro is good. Widow mine also forces micro, kind of like spider mines in BW. If the addition of SH and Vipers mean you have to be a micro god, then you highly underrate what a micro god is.
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It seems like having a nydus connecting his 5th and botoom of main (away from where drops land) would have been quite helpful there?
I wonder how long itll be before we see nydus' being fully utilised...maybe they need to decrease the gas cost of them a bit to encourage more use?
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On March 30 2013 15:15 groms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:13 IronL wrote: Welp, count me in as another terran firmly in the "medivac boosters are pretty effing retarded" camp. Bro he got dropped five fucking times before even thinking to put an overlord up top. Also he had some serious one-control group syndrome going on-maybe too much bl-infestor play in wol
He had 4 control groups just for his army units. Watch the game maybe before you start talking nonsense.
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Disappointed by Azubu's performance. I disagree with who they sent out, but there must have been a reason for it.
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On March 30 2013 15:19 ThePianoDentist wrote: It seems like having a nydus connecting his 5th and botoom of main (away from where drops land) would have been quite helpful there?
I wonder how long itll be before we see nydus' being fully utilised...maybe they need to decrease the gas cost of them a bit to encourage more use?
Reminds me of Broodwar lol. Savior and his nyduses.
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Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene.
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On March 30 2013 15:20 glzElectromaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:19 ThePianoDentist wrote: It seems like having a nydus connecting his 5th and botoom of main (away from where drops land) would have been quite helpful there?
I wonder how long itll be before we see nydus' being fully utilised...maybe they need to decrease the gas cost of them a bit to encourage more use? Reminds me of Broodwar lol. Savior and his nyduses.
Nydus loads/unloads too slow in SC2 for it to be used to respond to drops. It's also really easy to snipe.
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On March 30 2013 15:19 ThePianoDentist wrote: It seems like having a nydus connecting his 5th and botoom of main (away from where drops land) would have been quite helpful there?
I wonder how long itll be before we see nydus' being fully utilised...maybe they need to decrease the gas cost of them a bit to encourage more use?
Not a bad idea, but he needed more static defense, especially in the main (spore crawlers mainly). As soon as he switched to swarm host/infestor/ultra/bl he lost ALL his mobility. I can't really think of a less mobile zerg comp :p
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On March 30 2013 15:20 s3rp wrote: Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene.
Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit
Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well.
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On March 30 2013 15:19 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:15 groms wrote:On March 30 2013 15:13 IronL wrote: Welp, count me in as another terran firmly in the "medivac boosters are pretty effing retarded" camp. Bro he got dropped five fucking times before even thinking to put an overlord up top. Also he had some serious one-control group syndrome going on-maybe too much bl-infestor play in wol He had 4 control groups just for his army units. Watch the game maybe before you start talking nonsense.
Still ran all of his groups in 1 big bulk around the map. Never really catching anything worthwhile just slowly taking more and more damage.
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I really don't like all this hate the SH is getting. As far as im concerned even after hearing so much whine about how the SH is useless vs bio and an insta loss I am seeing it being quite effective and more than worth the cost when used at the right times in the right numbers. The game vs Sound the other night the SH player would have definitely won had he scouted a gold base that was up forever. Maybe they ultimately prove less effective than some other composition but of the two SH vs bio games we have seen it is not the SH that lost the games.
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On March 30 2013 15:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:20 s3rp wrote: Btw i never got the hype for Azubu. Most of the team are right out of 2011 some even 2010 and the rest of the team is Zergs that became good when Zerg absolutely demolished everything in the scene. Symbol and Violet were good prior to the Zerg era god dammit Genius, B4, Supernova, and Ganzi can be good as well.
Well, my first impression was that it was a huge clump of mid-tier players.
But maybe one of them will blossom.
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On March 30 2013 15:22 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:19 sitromit wrote:On March 30 2013 15:15 groms wrote:On March 30 2013 15:13 IronL wrote: Welp, count me in as another terran firmly in the "medivac boosters are pretty effing retarded" camp. Bro he got dropped five fucking times before even thinking to put an overlord up top. Also he had some serious one-control group syndrome going on-maybe too much bl-infestor play in wol He had 4 control groups just for his army units. Watch the game maybe before you start talking nonsense. Still ran all of his groups in 1 big bulk around the map. Never really catching anything worthwhile just slowly taking more and more damage.
But Byun was mixing in doom drops.
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swarm hosts don't seem to achieve a hell of a lot that another unit couldn't do better.
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On March 30 2013 15:19 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:15 groms wrote:On March 30 2013 15:13 IronL wrote: Welp, count me in as another terran firmly in the "medivac boosters are pretty effing retarded" camp. Bro he got dropped five fucking times before even thinking to put an overlord up top. Also he had some serious one-control group syndrome going on-maybe too much bl-infestor play in wol He had 4 control groups just for his army units. Watch the game maybe before you start talking nonsense. I guess you're right in that sense. What I meant to say was he never split his army well. It was like Oh shit another drop better box my army and a-move over there....meanwhile byun is doing another drop while repositioning his main army.
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On March 30 2013 15:22 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:19 sitromit wrote:On March 30 2013 15:15 groms wrote:On March 30 2013 15:13 IronL wrote: Welp, count me in as another terran firmly in the "medivac boosters are pretty effing retarded" camp. Bro he got dropped five fucking times before even thinking to put an overlord up top. Also he had some serious one-control group syndrome going on-maybe too much bl-infestor play in wol He had 4 control groups just for his army units. Watch the game maybe before you start talking nonsense. Still ran all of his groups in 1 big bulk around the map. Never really catching anything worthwhile just slowly taking more and more damage. This is exactly what I saw in the game as well
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Im pretty sure at late game Symbol questions himself what the fuck does swarm hosts have anything to do here. Look at that poor expo at 8" getting assaulted all the time with a bunch of SH watching. Oh and the map is pretty huge that these locusts cannot do jack shit.
Sure it draws mines and acts as meat shield in mid game but the investment is so huge and not any useful beyond that. Symbol coulda dumped the SH fund into brazillion of lings, still retaining that utility and saving some gas
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