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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
March 24 2013 16:32 GMT
#881
great series so far. hope heromarine does it
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 16:33:23
March 24 2013 16:32 GMT
#882
On March 25 2013 01:30 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:27 Godwrath wrote:
There is the funny thing, WoL killed TvP mech. HotS probably killed TvZ mech.

Insoleet you can't ask mech players to micro, because there is very little room to micro them, the tank play is entirely based on positional play, not micro.


Please, stop.

We havent even seem korean terrans use mech yet.

Actually we have.
It's not looking too good atm.
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
March 24 2013 16:33 GMT
#883
On March 25 2013 01:27 Godwrath wrote:
There is the funny thing, WoL killed TvP mech. HotS probably killed TvZ mech.


I hope not, marine marauder medivacs in every terran match-up (I guess with the occasional TvT mech?) would make TvX match-ups really boring for the viewers imo. All though multi-pronged drops are fast paced and action packed, it is getting a little old. I want me some funky mech/air deliciousness.
Liquid
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 24 2013 16:34 GMT
#884
On March 25 2013 01:32 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
I can't believe this thread after all we know about HoTs, in a game between two medium level euro players, is a balance discussion ^^.

Guess you've never read a LR thread before, every game is indisputable proof that X is OP and Y is not viable at all.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
March 24 2013 16:34 GMT
#885
On March 25 2013 01:30 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:


edit:
^ are you crazy? 2 Supply Siege Tanks? With no changes to them? Lol :|

Well i think they should do more dmg to the main target to but, i don't want to push it.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 24 2013 16:34 GMT
#886
On March 25 2013 01:30 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:27 Godwrath wrote:
There is the funny thing, WoL killed TvP mech. HotS probably killed TvZ mech.

Insoleet you can't ask mech players to micro, because there is very little room to micro them, the tank play is entirely based on positional play, not micro.


You know that spreading tanks one by one is micro ?



Though by spreading tanks too thin, you make it easy to pick single groups of tanks off. Anyways, just time will tell whether mech is viable in TvZ. Though all the new things terran has gotten in HotS do favor bio more than mech (in part. because of the prominent medivac boost ability), in my opinion.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 24 2013 16:34 GMT
#887
On March 25 2013 01:32 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
I can't believe this thread after all we know about HoTs, in a game between two medium level euro players, is a balance discussion ^^.

People are not basing their balance whine on the actual games. They have their opinions and are just using the games as an excuse to "get it out there."
Banelings are too cute to blow up
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
March 24 2013 16:36 GMT
#888
for a moment i thought the stream was down and we miss the last game of a series again
Traceback
Profile Joined October 2010
United States469 Posts
March 24 2013 16:36 GMT
#889
NASL Sound Guy! Is that you?
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
March 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#890
On March 25 2013 01:36 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
for a moment i thought the stream was down and we miss the last game of a series again


That's because it was down for a moment lol
xlord 5:0
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#891
On March 25 2013 01:31 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
On March 25 2013 01:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On March 25 2013 01:20 JustPassingBy wrote:
On March 25 2013 01:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Heromarine really screwed up that engagement to let JR get back in the game.


What did he do wrong in that engagement?


It came too late for a start, he had a huge window before that. But also he engaged somewhere which made it easy to blinding cloud his tanks out of the fight.


Well, regarding blinding cloud, as long as you have several vipers, you can always suicide dive to the tank line to blind them.


Not if you spread tanks.

Blinding cloud makes it much more like a BW engagement.


If you do BW like spreading your tank line will get run over at one spot and your bases will die. While they shoot a bit faster, the units they face got way faster and close in way quicker. Well and in HotS if you spread out the Viper pulls one tank in after the other.
Viper does the same thing to Mech what the 6 Range immortal does. A need for Ghosts. Viper is just way to hard conter against most Terran AoEs.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 16:39:18
March 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#892
On March 25 2013 01:30 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:27 Godwrath wrote:
There is the funny thing, WoL killed TvP mech. HotS probably killed TvZ mech.

Insoleet you can't ask mech players to micro, because there is very little room to micro them, the tank play is entirely based on positional play, not micro.


Please, stop.

We havent even seem korean terrans use mech yet.

Theres so much room for improvement yet to be discovered.

Also, using your vikings to kill vipers before they cast their cloud is a smart move instead of just let them sitting there.


Mostly because most korean terrans agree that bio is better. And i didn't say HotS killed TvZ, i said "probably" as an opinion of mine, not a fact. Hell, i wasn't even whining about balance, just speaking thoughts out loud about the current match ups.

@Insoleet Meh. That tank micro happens before engagements, not while they are fighting. Guess what, if you push one sieged tank position there is no micro that you can do.

_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
March 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#893
HoTs didn't kill TvZ mech at all. You ever watched any streams of GMs? TvZ mech is crushing zergs on the regular.
Red and yellow are all I see
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
March 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#894
"It shows your understanding of the best of 5 format" hahahahahaahaha well done.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
March 24 2013 16:39 GMT
#895
On March 25 2013 01:37 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
HoTs didn't kill TvZ mech at all. You ever watched any streams of GMs? TvZ mech is crushing zergs on the regular.


That's complete bullshit btw.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 16:41:58
March 24 2013 16:40 GMT
#896
On March 25 2013 01:37 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:30 Bashion wrote:
On March 25 2013 01:27 Godwrath wrote:
There is the funny thing, WoL killed TvP mech. HotS probably killed TvZ mech.

Insoleet you can't ask mech players to micro, because there is very little room to micro them, the tank play is entirely based on positional play, not micro.


Please, stop.

We havent even seem korean terrans use mech yet.

Theres so much room for improvement yet to be discovered.

Also, using your vikings to kill vipers before they cast their cloud is a smart move instead of just let them sitting there.


Mostly because most korean terrans agree that bio is better. And i didn't say HotS killed TvZ, i said "probably" as an opinion of mine, not a fact. Hell, i wasn't even whining about balance, just speaking thoughts out loud about the current match ups.

@Insoleet Meh. That tank micro happens before engagements, not while they are fighting. Guess what, if you push one sieged tank position there is no micro that you can do.



Sure, but that's still micro. Mech is not about microing with 400 Apm. It's just taking time to do right things.
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
March 24 2013 16:41 GMT
#897
On March 25 2013 01:39 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:37 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
HoTs didn't kill TvZ mech at all. You ever watched any streams of GMs? TvZ mech is crushing zergs on the regular.


That's complete bullshit btw.

Just like your sentence btw.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
March 24 2013 16:41 GMT
#898
On March 25 2013 01:39 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:37 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
HoTs didn't kill TvZ mech at all. You ever watched any streams of GMs? TvZ mech is crushing zergs on the regular.


That's complete bullshit btw.


lol no it is not. It's objectively true. TvZ mech at the highest level is alive and well.

Please ask one single GM zerg or terran...
Red and yellow are all I see
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 24 2013 16:43 GMT
#899
ret vs sting not being shown? o_O
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
March 24 2013 16:44 GMT
#900
On March 25 2013 01:41 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 01:39 Godwrath wrote:
On March 25 2013 01:37 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
HoTs didn't kill TvZ mech at all. You ever watched any streams of GMs? TvZ mech is crushing zergs on the regular.


That's complete bullshit btw.


lol no it is not. It's objectively true. TvZ mech at the highest level is alive and well.

Please ask one single GM zerg or terran...


Objectively speaking i can say if you watch GM zerg players you can see them crushing mech terran on a regular basis too. That's why it's bullshit, because it has zero value to the discussion.
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