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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:48:40
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7021
On March 17 2013 08:46 Emzeeshady wrote:
Killer knows how to beat foreign Terran!!!

*fixed it for you

And actually it's close when I look close at the game.
The curse is real
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7022
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:48:20
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7023
On March 17 2013 08:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:40 sibs wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:37 Csong wrote:
dont understand why zergs are refusing to make a couple spines and spores


Stephano built dozens, the story has been: it doesn't matter, terran is free to get more econ, better upgrades, while zerg is defending 24/7, until zerg eventually dies.

This is just like MMA back in the day, only there's tons of players that can pull it off now, and now we have quick reapers again.



uh.... you know that with 4 spines at every base as opposed to his 1500 mineral bank, his muta would not HAVE to defend 24/7 and could go around harassing innovations free 4 base econ? :\


1200 minerals would not stop the drops, but lets grant you that, lets say innovation is not allowed AT ALL to drop from that point on, he will still be a huge favorite to win the game, he is ahead on upgrades and waay ahead on econ, and he has a way more cost efficient army with more income, leenock is still losing that game, if it's not from a drop, it's from a nonstop push with bio+widowmine.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7024
--- Nuked ---
equin0xx
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7025
the the marine medivac mine is awesome to watch so hopefully it it gets nerfed it isn't nerf to obscurity like blizzard terran nerfs in the past...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7026
On March 17 2013 08:47 scaban84 wrote:
I don't see any viable way for Zergs to stop drop pay besides turtling hardcore until max. Mutas can't stop drops, Infestors can't stop drops anymore. Zergs cannot move outside of their base anymore. There is no point.


I saw mutas kill a lot of dropships, I don't know if you have selective sight or blink a lot, but mutas are certainly not useless against drops.
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clementdudu
Profile Joined September 2010
France819 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7027
im so happy we get to see those tvzs,korean terrans get to show their multitask.unbalanced as fuck,but still its more than impressive....the observer has a hard time keeping up with drops
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7028
Flash gets the "we need you in the quarterfinals" bracket
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7029
On March 17 2013 08:46 habbey wrote:
People keep acting like medivacs are the only unit that can fly and that they can just end up at your base without ever being seen.


Balance discussions aside, so far the Korean Terrans have used them in a way that has proven turbovacs to be both much faster and more efficient. Leenock went for mutas and still lost because they're not efficient enough at killing/defending drops.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7030
On March 17 2013 08:47 scaban84 wrote:
I don't see any viable way for Zergs to stop drop pay besides turtling hardcore until max. Mutas can't stop drops, Infestors can't stop drops anymore. Zergs cannot move outside of their base anymore. There is no point.


So the problem isn't the speed boost, its the infestor nerf.

Thank you! Some people can actually identify the issue here. I have hope restored.
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Tomasy
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland80 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:48:41
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7031
The ratio between duration and cooldown od medivac's speed boost is wrong I think. The way it works now is that you can use it while droping and then while going away. Players should have to choose which option they want so there is risk factor.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7032
On March 17 2013 08:45 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:43 WhiteSatin wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:41 ThomasR wrote:
So, zergs used to go mutas in part to shut down terran drop play, but now that mutas are not able to do so...


just like terrrans had to suck it up hardcore when the queen/infestor buff took place.

Only they didn't, they just whined a lot and did the same thing every game.


The "don't discuss about balance on LR's" on top of this thread doesn't tell you to shut your mouth already ?
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7033
linux did not adopt fully to hots. however how to counter bio-mine-drop play ? static defense is not an option, cause you can abuse that hard at pro level. mines attacking air is questionable imo
21 is half the truth
Vesky
Profile Joined January 2013
United States857 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7034
Ridiculous amount of whining.

Really hope the metagame is given a chance before some serious nerfs are dealt out. It's a completely new freaking game, give me a break.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7035
--- Nuked ---
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7036
that was an impressive hold by thorzain
Crazypyro1
Profile Joined May 2010
United States446 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7037
On March 17 2013 08:46 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:45 Crazypyro1 wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:43 Devolved wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:40 Darpa wrote:
I feel like this is a huge oversight by so many pros. Rather than losing drones to drops every time, take 3-4 and make spines and a spore. Its better to lose 12 drones to defense than 30 drones to drops throughout the game.

Yeah, it's kinda weird. They'll make 25 spines vs. Protoss at important chokes, but won't make any vs. Terrans to protect their bases.


Bio wrecks static defense a lot faster. "Oh you built 3 spines and a spore? I'll just send 2 medivacs full instead of 1 and hit your fourth at the same time!"

See: Game 2, Bogus vs Leenock

Static D isn't meant to deflect drops, it's supposed to buy time.


Obviously, but it buys so little time, I'm not sure its worth even making in most cases. Static defense costs a lot.
Hansel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany311 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7038
Zerg sure doesnt look good in teh new expansion.. Reminds me of classic tiller rage Undead vs Human
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_hDyfmEw4
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7039
On March 17 2013 08:42 duct_TAPE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:41 Wrathsc2 wrote:
leenock playing terrible


leenock playing greeat


Leenock has always been an amazing big stage player, easily one of the best of the past several years.

The fact he was demolished so effectively either means he's over the hill (he's 18) or the game that's been released for 3 days needs balancing.

Leenock never lost that badly in WoL.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
March 16 2013 23:48 GMT
#7040
On March 17 2013 08:45 Hylirion wrote:
The terrans are back baby!
+ Show Spoiler +

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(Poster made by Nicopower5000 from this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263421)


LMAO
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