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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7001
Medivac speed combined with insane multitasking sure proves to be a recipe for both success and awesome games!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7002
On March 17 2013 08:45 Crazypyro1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:43 Devolved wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:40 Darpa wrote:
I feel like this is a huge oversight by so many pros. Rather than losing drones to drops every time, take 3-4 and make spines and a spore. Its better to lose 12 drones to defense than 30 drones to drops throughout the game.

Yeah, it's kinda weird. They'll make 25 spines vs. Protoss at important chokes, but won't make any vs. Terrans to protect their bases.


Bio wrecks static defense a lot faster. "Oh you built 3 spines and a spore? I'll just send 2 medivacs full instead of 1 and hit your fourth at the same time!"

See: Game 2, Bogus vs Leenock


You know what happens when he's killing your static defense?

He's not killing drones and your army has time to come back and defend.

It's not the damage, it's the fact it slows your opponents attack down.
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habbey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States405 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7003
People keep acting like medivacs are the only unit that can fly and that they can just end up at your base without ever being seen.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7004
Is thorzain really about to make my 15-1 a 14-2 for the ro32 on predictions by losing to killer...
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7005
On March 17 2013 08:45 Depetrify wrote:
I want MC vs Flash finals.. not even sure if its possible though


It's possible. Just probably unlikely. As much as I like MC
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7006
On March 17 2013 08:45 Crazypyro1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:43 Devolved wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:40 Darpa wrote:
I feel like this is a huge oversight by so many pros. Rather than losing drones to drops every time, take 3-4 and make spines and a spore. Its better to lose 12 drones to defense than 30 drones to drops throughout the game.

Yeah, it's kinda weird. They'll make 25 spines vs. Protoss at important chokes, but won't make any vs. Terrans to protect their bases.


Bio wrecks static defense a lot faster. "Oh you built 3 spines and a spore? I'll just send 2 medivacs full instead of 1 and hit your fourth at the same time!"

See: Game 2, Bogus vs Leenock

Static D isn't meant to deflect drops, it's supposed to buy time.
Refer to my post.
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7007
On March 17 2013 08:45 stuchiu wrote:
Also everyone that is talking about static d, you would need 4 spines and 4 spores per base I think to completely cover a base. Don't think he had the money to sac 8 drones and 800 minerals to just protect one expansion.

but in diamond when i build lots of spines and spores at each base i win!
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7008
okay that was really good splitting
Amove for Aiur
Tenshix
Profile Joined January 2013
United States169 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7009
Nice splits from ThorZaIN.
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7010
I don't see any viable way for Zergs to stop drop pay besides turtling hardcore until max. Mutas can't stop drops, Infestors can't stop drops anymore. Zergs cannot move outside of their base anymore. There is no point.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7011
On March 17 2013 08:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
There is no risk for drops anymore, you can just que them up wherever and whenever you want without risk. So frustrating to watch.


There is no risk anymore, because everyone gave up on building static defense, because medivac can just boost through em. So now it is even easier to drop everywhere, because there are no zones to avoid and nothing that will damage the Medivacs.

With Mutas regenerating now, I was missing a harassment unit that you cannot kill but have to weaken it until it has to pull back. Though Medivacs are easy to replace haha.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7012
On March 17 2013 08:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:36 JJH777 wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:33 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:28 Talos[GER] wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:22 pmp10 wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:21 Twisting wrote:
I feel hots will bring back the gomTVT era! Terran > all.

Don't worry.
There will be balance patch out by friday.


Dream on. Blizzard isn't patching because some Kids in forums cry about a balanced game.


Where have you been during 2011 ?

Nah, Blizzard will nerf Terran because it makes sense. If you can honesty look at these games objectively and say Terran doesn't need a nerf then good for you. But it will be nice for those of us living in reality.


That's not what I was getting at. Blizzard have indeed buffed the shit out of zerg just because of children whining on the internet, all the while NesTea was busy winning back-to-back GSLs and DongRaeGu was raping in GSTL and MLG...



Dongraegu didn't win an MLG till 2012... He didn't even do particularly well at the MLGs in 2011. I think he took like 6th behind 5 Korean terrans iirc.


I never said he won MLGs. If you watched the games, they were some amazing TvZs that proved why he was the best zerg at the end of 2011.

He got a 5th and two 3rd places during the second half of the year, also winning an IEM and a DreamHack invitational. I'd say that's not so bad.

Plus 2nd in Blizzard Cup in a pretty nerve-wrackingly insane series.


He was considered the best ZvT player in the world by far, and he was losing left and right to Terrans in tournaments. He got knocked out of his first MLG by Mvp & MMA, then from the next one by Bomber. The best ZvT players had 50-55% win rate in the matchup, while top Terran players had 70-80%.

In his prime, he barely won a Dreamhack 3-2 over Thorzain. Yes, Thorzain took 2 maps from DRG in bo5. In the IEM he won, he only played 1 Terran, Strelok, and only won 2-1.

That's how well the best ZvT player in the world was doing at the time.
justsayinbro
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
307 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7013
damn my scheduling of games is ruined... wanted to watch rain then flash, now flash game starting first. thanks thorzain.
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:47:53
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7014
I am looking forward to see life vs polt. U can't out micro or out multi task this zerg kid. Good test for medicav OPness.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7015
On March 17 2013 08:43 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:42 duct_TAPE wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:41 Wrathsc2 wrote:
leenock playing terrible


leenock playing greeat


Leenock ignores static defense 3 games in a row and loses loads of drones every time. If that's great play, I feel that the game was soured by zerg skill in WoL.


The key word is static. Terran can drop and kill drones, hatchery or tech. Build static defenses to defend all three and you won't have any units.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7016
thorzains actually ahead now :o
Amove for Aiur
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:48:50
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7017
On March 17 2013 08:40 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:39 Defacer wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:38 Heouf wrote:
leenock refusses 2 build static defence! WHY!!!


Leenock and other Zerg's deserve to lose if they play this arrogantly.


yeah man terran with 3 cc at 6 mins, zerg on 2 base, fucking greedy zerg should build more defenses!


On Newkirk, Leenock was floating 1500 mins with four bases up.

Instead of giving himself the option to push out onto Innovation's side of the map, he allowed Innovation to run him ragged with drops. Even if he was able to delay drops at one or two bases with spines instead of stretching his entire army he would have had a chance.

Crazypyro1
Profile Joined May 2010
United States446 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7018
On March 17 2013 08:46 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:45 Crazypyro1 wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:43 Devolved wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:40 Darpa wrote:
I feel like this is a huge oversight by so many pros. Rather than losing drones to drops every time, take 3-4 and make spines and a spore. Its better to lose 12 drones to defense than 30 drones to drops throughout the game.

Yeah, it's kinda weird. They'll make 25 spines vs. Protoss at important chokes, but won't make any vs. Terrans to protect their bases.


Bio wrecks static defense a lot faster. "Oh you built 3 spines and a spore? I'll just send 2 medivacs full instead of 1 and hit your fourth at the same time!"

See: Game 2, Bogus vs Leenock


You know what happens when he's killing your static defense?

He's not killing drones and your army has time to come back and defend.

It's not the damage, it's the fact it slows your opponents attack down.


He kills your static defense, you are still down 3 drones (besides the larva) per spine.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7019
Killer really messed up this all in.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 16 2013 23:47 GMT
#7020
Split like Van Damme. C'mon Thorzain!
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
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