• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:09
CEST 23:09
KST 06:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results1Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Flashes ASL S21 Ro8 Review
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Semifinals A
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1952 users

[MLG] Day 2 Winter Championship - Page 350

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 348 349 350 351 352 640 Next
The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6981
Leenock was never the greatest multitasker, but the way the games develop is pretty tragic. Only terran gets to be offensive while Z and P has to turtle to avoid taking immense damage from drops. It might be fun for a little while, but it will make for 30 min long infinite repeats..
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6982
I want MC vs Flash finals.. not even sure if its possible though
pvpeep
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada228 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6983
GO Ret! Anti-patchzerg fighting!!
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6984
--- Nuked ---
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6985
On March 17 2013 08:24 feanor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:23 Diavlo wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:21 Godwrath wrote:
How is innovation so good ? Does freaking spider sense to find the burrowed banelings almost every single time :d


Yes how could he predict that Leenock would be putting burrowed banelings in the same spot 5 times in a row?

Cool game though, mutas are still more fun than the rest.


And Leenock is know for burrowed banes


Still is not something easy to do when you are dropping in 2-3 at the same time and pushing with your army other place.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6986
On March 17 2013 08:36 duct_TAPE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:33 Vanadiel wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:27 Defacer wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:26 CruelZeratul wrote:
I guess Fungal will be instant again.



yeah, zerg needs a buff.

I like how speedivacs are rewarding Terrans with good multitasking though.



I don't feel it to be rewarding to be honest, because dropping isn't really a risky move anymore, now you will at least almost always get away with your unit. If nerf is needed, I would like to see something like medivacs are mofre fragile when boost is used, like +50% damage when you're in booster mode.


Problem is nothing anti air is as fast as a boosted medivac so they could have 10 hp and be jollygood


Yes, but now you can litteraly fly over stalker spore and don't give a shit about it, even if your position is good which is problematic. I like to see it and it's a good thing that drop is strong, but it should be something that you can punish if you play it well enough.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6987
I always get heart attacks watching flash's games :/
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6988
Also everyone that is talking about static d, you would need 4 spines and 4 spores per base I think to completely cover a base. Don't think he had the money to sac 8 drones and 800 minerals to just protect one expansion.
Moderator
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12915 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6989
On March 17 2013 08:43 Vorkreist wrote:
Seriously what the hell was that? Leenock one of the best zergs in the world winner of 2 MLGs and last IPL gets 3-0ed even when going muta play to counter the drops.
I loved the crowed going "Boooooo" when Innovation boosted the low hp medivac and ran away from the mutas....

Leenock lost quite a lot of ZvT before the queen patch, he was schooled by Prime T, whereas Bogus made a splash in wol TvZ so it is to be expected to see him beat Leenock.
WriterMaru
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6990
Zerg cannot be offensive when medivacs are this fast, it's really sad. Need to find timings for ling/baneling/roach midgame imo, or go 110% defense until hive...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6991
On March 17 2013 08:44 umelbumel wrote:
So. If ret beats flash it would be quite a surprise, right?


Quite.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6992
On March 17 2013 08:44 Darpa wrote:
Guys, the game is a week old, stop freaking out about terran. You gotta remember zerg dominated MLGs and other tournies for months before this came out. Give it some time before you freak about balance.


And a LR thread is not the place for it..
The curse is real
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6993
Thorzain playing absolutely crap, he deserves to lose.
Amove for Aiur
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6994
On March 17 2013 08:41 openbox1 wrote:
For those that say dropping is so easy, just look at the games of Bomber vs Bly and compare them to Polt vs Creator and Innovation vs Leenock.

Bomber is a great macro beast, but his control can sometimes be off and on. His drops were kinda bad, constantly dying mid flight, or dropping into waiting zerglings.

Polt, Innovation and to a lesser extent, Flash, they keep track of multiple drops. Position themselves where zerglings can only have a small attack area behind mineral lines, and most importantly, pick-up when they're about to get overwhelmed. That's not minimal micro. That's no shift queue commands.

And to the joker who said, injects, overlord spread and managing lings is more micro intensive... well, even the top zergs admit that its a bit easier to control (NOT MASTER, CONTROL!) zerg. Hence foreigner zergs actually having a chance against top Koreans.


Yes that was in WoL, they havn't said that in HotS so you're talking about a dated game.
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6995
--- Nuked ---
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3396 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6996
On March 17 2013 08:43 Designakrobat wrote:
after this game i kinda dont wanna see the flash/ret slaughterfest....

You should if only for strategies Ret will try.
Thats the problem with zergs right now - the best ones played little of HotS and lack strategic sense while the not-so-good ones understand meta-game but fall in execution.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:49:19
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6997
On March 17 2013 08:43 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
There is no risk for drops anymore, you can just que them up wherever and whenever you want without risk. So frustrating to watch.



It is annoying to watch, but I'm not convinced that Zerg are defending against it properly.

I'm convinced if someone as talented as Leenock just made a couple of spines at his bases and some corrupters, like Gowser did versus Bomber, he would be able to defend against this style much better than Gowser did.

We don't know yet, but I really think that Leenock needed more static defense. He barely had any, and when Terran see Mutas, he usually responds with like 2 Turrets per base, and maybe even more in the main base, why shouldn't Zerg do the same?
They just didn't get used to the new Medivac and Infestor being nerfed a lot. Innovation really outplayed Leenock in these games, Leenock didn't look that good actually.

On March 17 2013 08:45 stuchiu wrote:
Also everyone that is talking about static d, you would need 4 spines and 4 spores per base I think to completely cover a base. Don't think he had the money to sac 8 drones and 800 minerals to just protect one expansion.


No, you don't... You are not making Spines to completely destroy the units, but to deflect the attack and/or delay it so that your lings arrives on time before he take down your Queens/Buildings/Drones.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6998
Btw what happened to all the interviews? Did I just miss them or did they stop interviewing players before games?
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6999
On March 17 2013 08:45 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:44 Dodgin wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:43 Designakrobat wrote:
after this game i kinda dont wanna see the flash/ret slaughterfest....


It will be closer, Flash almost lost an even macro game to a foreigner zerg yesterday.

As long as he doesn't mech he'll be fine.


He played bio in the 4th game and almost lost, that was the one I was talking about.
readytorock
Profile Joined May 2012
129 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7000
I think zergs don't know the point of HOTS.
Wooooooooooooah!!!!!!!!!!
Prev 1 348 349 350 351 352 640 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 51m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 392
mouzHeroMarine 257
ProTech142
Railgan 67
JuggernautJason53
Livibee 44
ViBE25
EmSc Tv 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3108
Soulkey 131
firebathero 95
Noble 34
Dota 2
monkeys_forever354
League of Legends
Reynor18
Counter-Strike
fl0m6051
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King72
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu402
Other Games
Grubby17770
summit1g6596
tarik_tv4404
gofns3674
FrodaN1428
B2W.Neo567
C9.Mang0218
RotterdaM192
XaKoH 120
Trikslyr42
ZombieGrub33
elazer32
ToD26
sas.Sziky3
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV88
StarCraft 2
angryscii 26
EmSc Tv 20
EmSc2Tv 20
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile140
• Adnapsc2 22
• Reevou 2
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2600
Other Games
• imaqtpie1361
• Scarra571
• WagamamaTV279
• Shiphtur270
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
5h 51m
RSL Revival
12h 51m
Clem vs Rogue
Bunny vs Lambo
IPSL
18h 51m
Dewalt vs nOmaD
Ret vs Cross
BSL
21h 51m
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
GSL
1d 10h
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
1d 18h
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
1d 21h
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-14
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.