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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6981
Leenock was never the greatest multitasker, but the way the games develop is pretty tragic. Only terran gets to be offensive while Z and P has to turtle to avoid taking immense damage from drops. It might be fun for a little while, but it will make for 30 min long infinite repeats..
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6982
I want MC vs Flash finals.. not even sure if its possible though
pvpeep
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada228 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6983
GO Ret! Anti-patchzerg fighting!!
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6984
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6985
On March 17 2013 08:24 feanor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:23 Diavlo wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:21 Godwrath wrote:
How is innovation so good ? Does freaking spider sense to find the burrowed banelings almost every single time :d


Yes how could he predict that Leenock would be putting burrowed banelings in the same spot 5 times in a row?

Cool game though, mutas are still more fun than the rest.


And Leenock is know for burrowed banes


Still is not something easy to do when you are dropping in 2-3 at the same time and pushing with your army other place.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6986
On March 17 2013 08:36 duct_TAPE wrote:
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On March 17 2013 08:33 Vanadiel wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:27 Defacer wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:26 CruelZeratul wrote:
I guess Fungal will be instant again.



yeah, zerg needs a buff.

I like how speedivacs are rewarding Terrans with good multitasking though.



I don't feel it to be rewarding to be honest, because dropping isn't really a risky move anymore, now you will at least almost always get away with your unit. If nerf is needed, I would like to see something like medivacs are mofre fragile when boost is used, like +50% damage when you're in booster mode.


Problem is nothing anti air is as fast as a boosted medivac so they could have 10 hp and be jollygood


Yes, but now you can litteraly fly over stalker spore and don't give a shit about it, even if your position is good which is problematic. I like to see it and it's a good thing that drop is strong, but it should be something that you can punish if you play it well enough.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6987
I always get heart attacks watching flash's games :/
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6988
Also everyone that is talking about static d, you would need 4 spines and 4 spores per base I think to completely cover a base. Don't think he had the money to sac 8 drones and 800 minerals to just protect one expansion.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6989
On March 17 2013 08:43 Vorkreist wrote:
Seriously what the hell was that? Leenock one of the best zergs in the world winner of 2 MLGs and last IPL gets 3-0ed even when going muta play to counter the drops.
I loved the crowed going "Boooooo" when Innovation boosted the low hp medivac and ran away from the mutas....

Leenock lost quite a lot of ZvT before the queen patch, he was schooled by Prime T, whereas Bogus made a splash in wol TvZ so it is to be expected to see him beat Leenock.
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6990
Zerg cannot be offensive when medivacs are this fast, it's really sad. Need to find timings for ling/baneling/roach midgame imo, or go 110% defense until hive...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6991
On March 17 2013 08:44 umelbumel wrote:
So. If ret beats flash it would be quite a surprise, right?


Quite.
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6992
On March 17 2013 08:44 Darpa wrote:
Guys, the game is a week old, stop freaking out about terran. You gotta remember zerg dominated MLGs and other tournies for months before this came out. Give it some time before you freak about balance.


And a LR thread is not the place for it..
The curse is real
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
March 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#6993
Thorzain playing absolutely crap, he deserves to lose.
Amove for Aiur
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6994
On March 17 2013 08:41 openbox1 wrote:
For those that say dropping is so easy, just look at the games of Bomber vs Bly and compare them to Polt vs Creator and Innovation vs Leenock.

Bomber is a great macro beast, but his control can sometimes be off and on. His drops were kinda bad, constantly dying mid flight, or dropping into waiting zerglings.

Polt, Innovation and to a lesser extent, Flash, they keep track of multiple drops. Position themselves where zerglings can only have a small attack area behind mineral lines, and most importantly, pick-up when they're about to get overwhelmed. That's not minimal micro. That's no shift queue commands.

And to the joker who said, injects, overlord spread and managing lings is more micro intensive... well, even the top zergs admit that its a bit easier to control (NOT MASTER, CONTROL!) zerg. Hence foreigner zergs actually having a chance against top Koreans.


Yes that was in WoL, they havn't said that in HotS so you're talking about a dated game.
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6995
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3353 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6996
On March 17 2013 08:43 Designakrobat wrote:
after this game i kinda dont wanna see the flash/ret slaughterfest....

You should if only for strategies Ret will try.
Thats the problem with zergs right now - the best ones played little of HotS and lack strategic sense while the not-so-good ones understand meta-game but fall in execution.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:49:19
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6997
On March 17 2013 08:43 Defacer wrote:
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On March 17 2013 08:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
There is no risk for drops anymore, you can just que them up wherever and whenever you want without risk. So frustrating to watch.



It is annoying to watch, but I'm not convinced that Zerg are defending against it properly.

I'm convinced if someone as talented as Leenock just made a couple of spines at his bases and some corrupters, like Gowser did versus Bomber, he would be able to defend against this style much better than Gowser did.

We don't know yet, but I really think that Leenock needed more static defense. He barely had any, and when Terran see Mutas, he usually responds with like 2 Turrets per base, and maybe even more in the main base, why shouldn't Zerg do the same?
They just didn't get used to the new Medivac and Infestor being nerfed a lot. Innovation really outplayed Leenock in these games, Leenock didn't look that good actually.

On March 17 2013 08:45 stuchiu wrote:
Also everyone that is talking about static d, you would need 4 spines and 4 spores per base I think to completely cover a base. Don't think he had the money to sac 8 drones and 800 minerals to just protect one expansion.


No, you don't... You are not making Spines to completely destroy the units, but to deflect the attack and/or delay it so that your lings arrives on time before he take down your Queens/Buildings/Drones.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6998
Btw what happened to all the interviews? Did I just miss them or did they stop interviewing players before games?
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#6999
On March 17 2013 08:45 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:44 Dodgin wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:43 Designakrobat wrote:
after this game i kinda dont wanna see the flash/ret slaughterfest....


It will be closer, Flash almost lost an even macro game to a foreigner zerg yesterday.

As long as he doesn't mech he'll be fine.


He played bio in the 4th game and almost lost, that was the one I was talking about.
readytorock
Profile Joined May 2012
129 Posts
March 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#7000
I think zergs don't know the point of HOTS.
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