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On March 15 2013 08:57 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 08:48 Taipoka wrote:On March 15 2013 08:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Oh god, I forgot everyone drank the Flash kool-aid last MLG. You want to see him against Bly? Let's ignore that so far he's barely any achievements in SC2, let alone really reached his full potential or whatever (If Kespa is your thing, he's not even the best Kespa terran...), but he's at least a Code A level player. You want to watch a Code A level player against a totally unremarkable, low-tier foreigner. Just, why?
Apart from that, I am expecting mostly walkovers in this first round. Some of the foreigner vs foreigners matches could be nice if they are evenly matched and not derping too much, but I think MKP vs Jjakji has most potential of day 1. But but but... Flash is Code S  Being in Code S =/= automatically Code S level. And I said at least Code A, implying Code A and upwards, depending on what a person thinks. That's actually the reasonable way to describe him, calling him Code S level is just very premature. You get to be called that when you stay in Code S several seasons in a row, not when you just ended your long stay in Code A with a relatively easy bracket... Anyway, not sure why I am having to explain this. :p It's really common sense.
Ryung and Rain are a relatively easy bracket? Who made it to code S with a harder bracket than he did? Common sense is watching his games to judge his level of skill. The majority of people who do so will agree that he's one of the best terrans in the game right now.
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People just want to see Flash play, It's the same with Mvp. Doesn't matter who they are playing. The polls says " what are you looking forward to the most " so I can understand it, but I don't see Bly being competitive at all. Probably a 3-0.
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Yep, the expectations are high for flash man. He's showed some impressive play in getting into code s and was very competitive in the last MLG. Also, he showed some awesome play against life in the launch party.
He represents a starcraft broodwar champion that could very well dominate again in SC2. It kinda represents a nostalgic hope for hots in my mind.
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On March 15 2013 09:15 Dodgin wrote:
People just want to see Flash play, It's the same with Mvp. Doesn't matter who they are playing. The polls says " what are you looking forward to the most " so I can understand it, but I don't see Bly being competitive at all. Probably a 3-0.
Watching Flash play is half the reason I watch Starcraft 2.
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On March 15 2013 09:13 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 08:57 Kasaraki wrote:On March 15 2013 08:48 Taipoka wrote:On March 15 2013 08:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Oh god, I forgot everyone drank the Flash kool-aid last MLG. You want to see him against Bly? Let's ignore that so far he's barely any achievements in SC2, let alone really reached his full potential or whatever (If Kespa is your thing, he's not even the best Kespa terran...), but he's at least a Code A level player. You want to watch a Code A level player against a totally unremarkable, low-tier foreigner. Just, why?
Apart from that, I am expecting mostly walkovers in this first round. Some of the foreigner vs foreigners matches could be nice if they are evenly matched and not derping too much, but I think MKP vs Jjakji has most potential of day 1. But but but... Flash is Code S Being in Code S =/= automatically Code S level. And I said at least Code A, implying Code A and upwards, depending on what a person thinks. That's actually the reasonable way to describe him, calling him Code S level is just very premature. You get to be called that when you stay in Code S several seasons in a row, not when you just ended your long stay in Code A with a relatively easy bracket... Anyway, not sure why I am having to explain this. :p It's really common sense. Ryung and Rain are a relatively easy bracket? Who made it to code S with a harder bracket than he did? Common sense is watching his games to judge his level of skill. The majority of people who do so will agree that he's one of the best terrans in the game right now.
Look, I know you're a KT fan(boi), but I never said anything negative about Flash, I didn't state his skill was low, I didn't call him a bad player. I made a conservative estimate of his current skill, which let's face it, is not easy to gauge because we haven't seen him play a lot outside of Proleague. Has be played in Code S yet? No, so it's premature to say how he holds up. If he falls out of Code S instantly, never to return, then you (Edit: General "you", not you specifically, but any "you") look like a tool for jumping to a conclusion without proof. That's why you wait, and you state the minimum level of skill you can apply to him (Or any player). This is what I did, and if you think being a "Code A and above" player is calling someone unskilled, then you're a strange little person - it's the fucking opposite, staying in Code A makes you a great damn player.
But, if what you want is me kissing Flash's ass and saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, then that's not something I am willing to do. If you think I insulted him, called him a bad player or understated his skill, then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said Flash vs Bly will be a bad series because Flash will roll Bly, so I didn't understand why people would vote that as highly as they did. As for you other statements, best terran in the world is... really unfounded so far. Haha, that's such a grandiose statement I am not even sure if you're joking. He's not top 5 or even close, but maybe top 10-15? He won't compare to any terran who's consistently stayed in Code S, and won tournaments from time to time - Flash has done neither of those things yet.  But I know you will be likely to overstate his skill since you're a fan, that's perfectly fine. So, let's not have this discussion about how good you think he is, or how good I am willing to estimate his skill at, but know this: I don't dislike Flash, I never said he's a bad player, so if you're looking to protect the honor of his name, you're wasting your energy on me...
On March 15 2013 09:15 Dodgin wrote:
People just want to see Flash play, It's the same with Mvp. Doesn't matter who they are playing. The polls says " what are you looking forward to the most " so I can understand it, but I don't see Bly being competitive at all. Probably a 3-0.
Ah okay, that makes sense then. I rarely feel this way, because to me watching the players I like play is really stressful. It's always "Oh shit, not sure I can handle this, what if he loses", etc. :D Haha. For example, I don't want to watch Seed/Rain because if Seed loses I will be quite depressed! :p
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On March 15 2013 09:37 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 09:13 GolemMadness wrote:On March 15 2013 08:57 Kasaraki wrote:On March 15 2013 08:48 Taipoka wrote:On March 15 2013 08:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Oh god, I forgot everyone drank the Flash kool-aid last MLG. You want to see him against Bly? Let's ignore that so far he's barely any achievements in SC2, let alone really reached his full potential or whatever (If Kespa is your thing, he's not even the best Kespa terran...), but he's at least a Code A level player. You want to watch a Code A level player against a totally unremarkable, low-tier foreigner. Just, why?
Apart from that, I am expecting mostly walkovers in this first round. Some of the foreigner vs foreigners matches could be nice if they are evenly matched and not derping too much, but I think MKP vs Jjakji has most potential of day 1. But but but... Flash is Code S Being in Code S =/= automatically Code S level. And I said at least Code A, implying Code A and upwards, depending on what a person thinks. That's actually the reasonable way to describe him, calling him Code S level is just very premature. You get to be called that when you stay in Code S several seasons in a row, not when you just ended your long stay in Code A with a relatively easy bracket... Anyway, not sure why I am having to explain this. :p It's really common sense. Ryung and Rain are a relatively easy bracket? Who made it to code S with a harder bracket than he did? Common sense is watching his games to judge his level of skill. The majority of people who do so will agree that he's one of the best terrans in the game right now. Look, I know you're a KT fan(boi), but I never said anything negative about Flash, I didn't state his skill was low, I didn't call him a bad player. I made a conservative estimate of his current skill, which let's face it, is not easy to gauge because we haven't seen him play a lot outside of Proleague. Has be played in Code S yet? No, so it's premature to say how he holds up. If he falls out of Code S instantly, never to return, then you look like a tool for jumping to a conclusion without proof. That's why you wait, and you state the minimum level of skill you can apply to him (Or any player). This is what I did, and if you think being a "Code A and above" player is calling someone unskilled, then you're a strange little person - it's the fucking opposite, staying in Code A makes you a great damn player. But, if what you want is me kissing Flash's ass and saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, then that's not something I am willing to do. If you think I insulted him, called him a bad player or understated his skill, then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said Flash vs Bly will be a bad series because Flash will roll Bly, so I didn't understand why people would vote that as highly as they did. As for you other statements, best terran in the world is... really unfounded so far. Haha, that's such a grandiose statement I am not even sure if you're joking. He's not top 5 or even close, but maybe top 10-15? He won't compare to any terran who's consistently stayed in Code S, and won tournaments from time to time - Flash has done neither of those things yet. But I know you will be likely to overstate his skill since you're a fan, that's perfectly fine. So, let's not have this discussion about how good you think he is, or how good I am willing to estimate his skill at, but know this: I don't dislike Flash, I never said he's a bad player, so if you're looking to protect the honor of his name, you're wasting your energy on me...
What the crap are you talking about? You seem to have just randomly decided that I said things which I didn't and then started ranting at me.
"If you think I insulted him, called him a bad player or understated his skill, then you need to work on your reading comprehension."
Evidently I'm not the one who needs to work on his reading comprehension. I said THREE THINGS:
1) He had one of, if not the most difficult code A brackets to make it through.
2) Your assertion that you can only be referred to as code S level if you stay in code S for several seasons in a reason isn't common sense; common sense is watching players play and judging their skill level based on that.
3) Flash is one of the best terrans in the game.
Based on that, you apparently have decided that I've made a ton of assumptions about what you're saying and that I said that Flash is THE best terran in the game. Incidentally, saying that someone is at least code A level when they're better than code A obviously IS saying that they're less skilled than they are. If I said that Life is at least a high masters player then is that a compliment?
As for not understanding why people are looking forward to the match: people enjoy watching players whom they're fans of. Why is this hard to understand?
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Fine fine, perhaps I was in the wrong. I found your tone aggresive or angry, so I tried to explain myself. My assumptions weren't meant to put words into your mouth, but to reply to as many possibilities as I could in one go, seemed efficient! English is my second language, and I guess I was wrong in this case. So, sorry.
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Expecting tomorrow:
HuK 2-3 INoVation (INoVation's TvP isn't that great, and HuK can always pull out something out of his hat that surprises everyone)
Sen 3-1 ViBE (Should be a pretty one-sided beatdown honestly, but because ZvZ is volatile, I will give ViBE one game at least)
Leenock 3-0 BabyKnight (Yeah, self-explanatory)
Rain 3-2 Seed (Hmmm, both are relatively similar imo, but I think Rain is playing better than Seed currently)
MKP 3-2 jjakji (I think jjakji will put up one hell of a fight, but MKP will likely reign over him)
Ret 3-1 Suppy (Ret showed he can stay relevant in IEM, and I haven't really seen that much from Suppy recently)
Flash 3-0 Bly (Flash might be a bit overrated in my eyes, but Bly hasn't been too impressive, while Flash is only improving)
PartinG 3-0 State (Same as Leenock vs BK)
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On March 15 2013 09:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Expecting tomorrow:
HuK 2-3 INoVation (INoVation's TvP isn't that great, and HuK can always pull out something out of his hat that surprises everyone)
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HuK will love the MSC aided all-ins. :D
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Is there really only like 4-5 hours of games tomorrow?
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On March 15 2013 10:07 Nimic wrote:
Is there really only like 4-5 hours of games tomorrow?
First day tends to start a bit later than Saturday, so there usually is less games, but there are commercials, interviews and more that usually gives it overtime.
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If there's one benefit to having no open bracket, its that I can see all the games now. Can't wait for Huk vs Innovation. That's my most anticipated match. Flash or Innovation will likely win the whole thing. Terran is strongest in hots right now and both of those guys are easily top 5 Terrans right now.
EDIT: The birthday thing is pretty cool. Thanks TL :p
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On March 15 2013 10:20 Havik_ wrote:
If there's one benefit to having no open bracket, its that I can see all the games now :p. Can't wait for Huk vs Innovation. That's my most anticipated match. Flash or Innovation will likely win the whole thing. Terran is strongest in hots right now and both of those guys are easily top 5 Terrans right now.
EDIT: The birthday thing is pretty cool. Thanks TL :p
Happy Birthday! And yeah, it's gonna be an upset if Terrans don't dominate this event.
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On March 15 2013 10:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 10:07 Nimic wrote:
Is there really only like 4-5 hours of games tomorrow? First day tends to start a bit later than Saturday, so there usually is less games, but there are commercials, interviews and more that usually gives it overtime.
Seems like they're opening it up for a lot of downtime with those allocations for games, though?
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On March 15 2013 10:37 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 10:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 15 2013 10:07 Nimic wrote:
Is there really only like 4-5 hours of games tomorrow? First day tends to start a bit later than Saturday, so there usually is less games, but there are commercials, interviews and more that usually gives it overtime. Seems like they're opening it up for a lot of downtime with those allocations for games, though?
I guess so, seeing how commercial friendly MLG is.
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Take these with a grain of salt because the stats they are based on are almost pure WoL stats but LRs just seem incomplete without someone posting Aligulac these days and I haven't seen them yet.
+ Show Spoiler [HuK vs INnoVation] + (1417) HuK 0-0 INnoVation (1458)
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11.21% 3-0 0-3 13.89%
17.41% 3-1 1-3 20.09%
18.03% 3-2 2-3 19.37%
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46.65% 53.35%
Median outcome: HuK 2-3 INnoVation
+ Show Spoiler [SEn vs ViBE] + (1829) Sen 0-0 ViBE (1014)
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52.24% 3-0 0-3 0.74%
30.50% 3-1 1-3 1.78%
11.87% 3-2 2-3 2.87%
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94.61% 5.39%
Median outcome: Sen 3-0 ViBE
+ Show Spoiler [Leenock vs Babyknight] + (1792) Leenock 0-0 BabyKnight (1286)
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35.59% 3-0 0-3 2.47%
31.11% 3-1 1-3 5.26%
18.12% 3-2 2-3 7.45%
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84.82% 15.18%
Median outcome: Leenock 3-1 BabyKnight
+ Show Spoiler [Rain vs Seed] + (1586) Rain 0-0 Seed (1597)
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12.14% 3-0 0-3 12.87%
18.39% 3-1 1-3 19.11%
18.56% 3-2 2-3 18.93%
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49.09% 50.91%
Median outcome: Rain 2-3 Seed
+ Show Spoiler [MarineKing vs jjakji] + (1812) MarineKing 0-0 jjakji (1411)
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29.84% 3-0 0-3 3.65%
29.70% 3-1 1-3 7.32%
19.71% 3-2 2-3 9.78%
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79.24% 20.76%
Median outcome: MarineKing 3-1 jjakji
+ Show Spoiler [Ret vs Suppy] + (1075) Ret 0-0 Suppy (1216)
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8.46% 3-0 0-3 17.66%
14.23% 3-1 1-3 23.26%
15.97% 3-2 2-3 20.42%
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38.66% 61.34%
Median outcome: Ret 2-3 Suppy
+ Show Spoiler [Flash vs Bly] + (1615) Flash 0-0 Bly (1419)
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19.99% 3-0 0-3 7.16%
24.90% 3-1 1-3 12.57%
20.69% 3-2 2-3 14.69%
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65.57% 34.43%
Median outcome: Flash 3-2 Bly
+ Show Spoiler [PartinG vs State] + (1707) PartinG 0-0 State (963)
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48.12% 3-0 0-3 1.01%
31.24% 3-1 1-3 2.38%
13.52% 3-2 2-3 3.73%
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92.88% 7.12%
Median outcome: PartinG 3-1 State
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hd stream is now a monthly payment? 
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On March 15 2013 10:44 Ben- wrote:hd stream is now a monthly payment?
you can cancel after mlg is over
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On March 14 2013 15:56 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 15:52 ZenithM wrote:
MKP is going to crush many dreams at this MLG.
One way or the other. hopefully not ours!
MKP better fucking win everything or this time I'm going to book a ticket to Korea and go spank him.
Yes. Spank him O_O
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Hmm, some amazing games but nothing too amazing. Just the way I like it: keep some awesome for later, but be surprised.
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