• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:57
CEST 02:57
KST 09:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 231ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5928 users

[IEM] World Championship Day 5 - Page 21

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 132 Next
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 09 2013 10:15 GMT
#401
On March 09 2013 19:15 Destructicon wrote:
You had a good run Ret, don't let this defeat put you down, work hard and keep fighting!

Now lets see what Violet brings to the table regarding ZvP.


yeah. Let's see how the big boys play this game
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#402
On March 09 2013 19:14 Archybaldie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:12 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:10 sibs wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.



A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.

yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.


If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.


Which 6 months?


The 6 months where they had a player in all 3 GSL finals one of which was a PvP. Protoss really should have won the first 3 GSLs of 2012. Genius vs DRG and Squirtle vs MVP were the biggest chokes ever.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#403
god dammit I love violet
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#404
Zerg can still sprinkle in some infestors, I mean those deathballs cannot be that difficult to hit ^^
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#405
On March 09 2013 19:12 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:10 sibs wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.



A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.

yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.


If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.



Small buffs make huge changes when the balance is close, I don't think ZvP is even remotely balanced, I think we're looking at ZvT at early WoL level of imbaness, only probably worst, because people know how to play now, perhaps I'm wrong and it's closely balanced, anyways blizz should give at least 1 GSL IMO before nerfing we'll see if all Zergs get destroyed (there'll be a lot of them at first ;p).
Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 10:17:37
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#406
On March 09 2013 19:10 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.


Specially after what happened with the infestor. All zergs cried it was useless and after the +20% (fungal) damage on armored it became the most OP unit ever? C'mon...

For now maybe zergs need to corrupt + focus the Collo down one by one, so Hydras have a fight chance against Voids.

I agree with Ret in that Voids are the big problem for zerg atm.


wait what? fungal got a over 100% damage buff!! from 8 to 4 seconds AND +dmg to armor (not sure about last one or if it was +dmg was armored before) but definetly 100% just by doubling DPS!

give hydras 100% damage buff and i am fine with them dying fast

on a serious note though, hydras need either more hp or higher range and obv one of the upgrades need to be basic since its stupid how useless they are without the ups.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#407
Now time for Fiiiiiirst
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#408
Rachel you are one beautiful woman <3
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#409
Go viOLet!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#410
On March 09 2013 19:16 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:14 Archybaldie wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:12 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:10 sibs wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.



A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.

yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.


If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.


Which 6 months?


The 6 months where they had a player in all 3 GSL finals one of which was a PvP. Protoss really should have won the first 3 GSLs of 2012. Genius vs DRG and Squirtle vs MVP were the biggest chokes ever.


And you also had Ps doing well in WCS Korea (leading to WCS Asia, Global) , Rain winning OSL, getting to Ro4.
Savant.GL
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany502 Posts
March 09 2013 10:18 GMT
#411
On March 09 2013 19:17 Lysanias wrote:
Rachel you are one beautiful woman <3


Yep have to agree with you
Savant
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 09 2013 10:18 GMT
#412
Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
March 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#413
lol, these "analysts" - do they have any idea how many fungals it now takes to kill a VR?

They will get fucking melted, feedbacked or stormed.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#414
On March 09 2013 19:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.

Yeah, but I kind of wonder about the mentality. Violet going into this already with a losing mindset, thinking protoss is imba. First will be really comfortable, having friends and teammates with him for support, feeling confident and not worried about the matchup.
Titanidis
Profile Joined April 2006
Greece132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 10:21:18
March 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#415
This protoss composition was popular earlier in WoL. I think it could be shut down by mass infestors fungaling and infested terrans or mass mutas (not sure about the second) so I guess now with the infestor nerf and phoenix longer range + void rays buff it makes it more difficult to counter. Maybe sh, hydras and vipers to abduct colllosi is possible? Haven't tried it yet though
essencez
Profile Joined February 2012
342 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#416
On March 09 2013 19:20 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.

Yeah, but I kind of wonder about the mentality. Violet going into this already with a losing mindset, thinking protoss is imba. First will be really comfortable, having friends and teammates with him for support, feeling confident and not worried about the matchup.


Also having the entire team as backup to take revenge for you is very reassuring.
essence.gg - "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#417
On March 09 2013 19:20 Xorphene wrote:
lol, these "analysts" - do they have any idea how many fungals it now takes to kill a VR?

They will get fucking melted, feedbacked or stormed.

Harstem is pretty good tbh.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#418
On March 09 2013 19:20 Xorphene wrote:
lol, these "analysts" - do they have any idea how many fungals it now takes to kill a VR?

They will get fucking melted, feedbacked or stormed.


They are saying fungal is range 10 which is higher than any protoss unit. So with good control they won't get melted.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#419
On March 09 2013 19:15 Savant.GL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:10 Salteador Neo wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.


Specially after what happened with the infestor. All zergs cried it was useless and after the +20% (fungal) damage on armored it became the most OP unit ever? C'mon...

For now maybe zergs need to corrupt + focus the Collo down one by one, so Hydras have a fight chance against Voids.

I agree with Ret in that Voids are the big problem for zerg atm.


I think vipers are the key to this matchup now, maybe it is a better choice than massing corrupters , I know feedback is basically a direct counter but for a protoss to go void ray, templar , collosus on the 3 bases takes a while and I am sure there will be some good timing attacks designed around this idea.
I think as a zerg player we got lazy scouting protoss past the midgame, we need to know if they are transitioning hard to voids, or going mass collosus etc and then react accordingly


Now this is an interesting idea compared to the previous 2 posts by other users who simply QQed and contributed with nothing.

I don't have much experience with HotS yet but that's gonna change. The yoink ability seems really good against Collo, which I wish to see outside of just the obvious nasty timing pushes that are gonna pop around.
Revolutionist fan
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
March 09 2013 10:23 GMT
#420
It should be a requirement by law that all crowds are miced for sound, man so little atmosphere <_>
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 132 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
CranKy Ducklings SOOP88
CranKy Ducklings76
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
17:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Krystianer vs IbaLIVE!
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE234
SpeCial 184
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3886
GuemChi 3284
Artosis 542
NaDa 25
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm127
Counter-Strike
summit1g9254
Coldzera 929
minikerr20
taco 0
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox184
Other Games
Day[9].tv1309
shahzam601
C9.Mang0385
JimRising 283
Maynarde114
Mew2King64
Temp054
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick32865
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2681
Other Games
• Day9tv1309
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 3m
CrankTV Team League
10h 3m
OSC
12h 3m
Big Brain Bouts
15h 3m
Replay Cast
23h 3m
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Heroes Pulsing #3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.