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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 09 2013 10:15 GMT
#401
On March 09 2013 19:15 Destructicon wrote:
You had a good run Ret, don't let this defeat put you down, work hard and keep fighting!

Now lets see what Violet brings to the table regarding ZvP.


yeah. Let's see how the big boys play this game
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#402
On March 09 2013 19:14 Archybaldie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:12 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:10 sibs wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.



A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.

yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.


If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.


Which 6 months?


The 6 months where they had a player in all 3 GSL finals one of which was a PvP. Protoss really should have won the first 3 GSLs of 2012. Genius vs DRG and Squirtle vs MVP were the biggest chokes ever.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#403
god dammit I love violet
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#404
Zerg can still sprinkle in some infestors, I mean those deathballs cannot be that difficult to hit ^^
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#405
On March 09 2013 19:12 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:10 sibs wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.



A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.

yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.


If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.



Small buffs make huge changes when the balance is close, I don't think ZvP is even remotely balanced, I think we're looking at ZvT at early WoL level of imbaness, only probably worst, because people know how to play now, perhaps I'm wrong and it's closely balanced, anyways blizz should give at least 1 GSL IMO before nerfing we'll see if all Zergs get destroyed (there'll be a lot of them at first ;p).
Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 10:17:37
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#406
On March 09 2013 19:10 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.


Specially after what happened with the infestor. All zergs cried it was useless and after the +20% (fungal) damage on armored it became the most OP unit ever? C'mon...

For now maybe zergs need to corrupt + focus the Collo down one by one, so Hydras have a fight chance against Voids.

I agree with Ret in that Voids are the big problem for zerg atm.


wait what? fungal got a over 100% damage buff!! from 8 to 4 seconds AND +dmg to armor (not sure about last one or if it was +dmg was armored before) but definetly 100% just by doubling DPS!

give hydras 100% damage buff and i am fine with them dying fast

on a serious note though, hydras need either more hp or higher range and obv one of the upgrades need to be basic since its stupid how useless they are without the ups.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#407
Now time for Fiiiiiirst
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#408
Rachel you are one beautiful woman <3
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#409
Go viOLet!
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#410
On March 09 2013 19:16 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:14 Archybaldie wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:12 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:10 sibs wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.



A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.

yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.


If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.


Which 6 months?


The 6 months where they had a player in all 3 GSL finals one of which was a PvP. Protoss really should have won the first 3 GSLs of 2012. Genius vs DRG and Squirtle vs MVP were the biggest chokes ever.


And you also had Ps doing well in WCS Korea (leading to WCS Asia, Global) , Rain winning OSL, getting to Ro4.
Savant.GL
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany502 Posts
March 09 2013 10:18 GMT
#411
On March 09 2013 19:17 Lysanias wrote:
Rachel you are one beautiful woman <3


Yep have to agree with you
Savant
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 09 2013 10:18 GMT
#412
Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.
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Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
March 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#413
lol, these "analysts" - do they have any idea how many fungals it now takes to kill a VR?

They will get fucking melted, feedbacked or stormed.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#414
On March 09 2013 19:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.

Yeah, but I kind of wonder about the mentality. Violet going into this already with a losing mindset, thinking protoss is imba. First will be really comfortable, having friends and teammates with him for support, feeling confident and not worried about the matchup.
Titanidis
Profile Joined April 2006
Greece132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 10:21:18
March 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#415
This protoss composition was popular earlier in WoL. I think it could be shut down by mass infestors fungaling and infested terrans or mass mutas (not sure about the second) so I guess now with the infestor nerf and phoenix longer range + void rays buff it makes it more difficult to counter. Maybe sh, hydras and vipers to abduct colllosi is possible? Haven't tried it yet though
essencez
Profile Joined February 2012
342 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#416
On March 09 2013 19:20 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.

Yeah, but I kind of wonder about the mentality. Violet going into this already with a losing mindset, thinking protoss is imba. First will be really comfortable, having friends and teammates with him for support, feeling confident and not worried about the matchup.


Also having the entire team as backup to take revenge for you is very reassuring.
essence.gg - "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#417
On March 09 2013 19:20 Xorphene wrote:
lol, these "analysts" - do they have any idea how many fungals it now takes to kill a VR?

They will get fucking melted, feedbacked or stormed.

Harstem is pretty good tbh.
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Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#418
On March 09 2013 19:20 Xorphene wrote:
lol, these "analysts" - do they have any idea how many fungals it now takes to kill a VR?

They will get fucking melted, feedbacked or stormed.


They are saying fungal is range 10 which is higher than any protoss unit. So with good control they won't get melted.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#419
On March 09 2013 19:15 Savant.GL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:10 Salteador Neo wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:06 JJH777 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote:
I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.


Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.


Specially after what happened with the infestor. All zergs cried it was useless and after the +20% (fungal) damage on armored it became the most OP unit ever? C'mon...

For now maybe zergs need to corrupt + focus the Collo down one by one, so Hydras have a fight chance against Voids.

I agree with Ret in that Voids are the big problem for zerg atm.


I think vipers are the key to this matchup now, maybe it is a better choice than massing corrupters , I know feedback is basically a direct counter but for a protoss to go void ray, templar , collosus on the 3 bases takes a while and I am sure there will be some good timing attacks designed around this idea.
I think as a zerg player we got lazy scouting protoss past the midgame, we need to know if they are transitioning hard to voids, or going mass collosus etc and then react accordingly


Now this is an interesting idea compared to the previous 2 posts by other users who simply QQed and contributed with nothing.

I don't have much experience with HotS yet but that's gonna change. The yoink ability seems really good against Collo, which I wish to see outside of just the obvious nasty timing pushes that are gonna pop around.
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WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
March 09 2013 10:23 GMT
#420
It should be a requirement by law that all crowds are miced for sound, man so little atmosphere <_>
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