On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote: I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.
Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.
A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.
yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.
If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.
Which 6 months?
The 6 months where they had a player in all 3 GSL finals one of which was a PvP. Protoss really should have won the first 3 GSLs of 2012. Genius vs DRG and Squirtle vs MVP were the biggest chokes ever.
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote: I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.
Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.
A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.
yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.
If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.
Small buffs make huge changes when the balance is close, I don't think ZvP is even remotely balanced, I think we're looking at ZvT at early WoL level of imbaness, only probably worst, because people know how to play now, perhaps I'm wrong and it's closely balanced, anyways blizz should give at least 1 GSL IMO before nerfing we'll see if all Zergs get destroyed (there'll be a lot of them at first ;p).
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote: I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.
Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.
Specially after what happened with the infestor. All zergs cried it was useless and after the +20% (fungal) damage on armored it became the most OP unit ever? C'mon...
For now maybe zergs need to corrupt + focus the Collo down one by one, so Hydras have a fight chance against Voids.
I agree with Ret in that Voids are the big problem for zerg atm.
wait what? fungal got a over 100% damage buff!! from 8 to 4 seconds AND +dmg to armor (not sure about last one or if it was +dmg was armored before) but definetly 100% just by doubling DPS!
give hydras 100% damage buff and i am fine with them dying fast
on a serious note though, hydras need either more hp or higher range and obv one of the upgrades need to be basic since its stupid how useless they are without the ups.
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote: I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.
Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.
A little won't do much, because they get massacred by storm/colossus so hard.
yonghwa played that match amazingly well, but is a protoss of yonghwa's caliber actually beatable by Zerg? I don't see it happening, yonghwa engaged without the voidray buff in one of those engagements and still absolutely roflstomped ret's army.
If you add like 10hp it is a gigantic amount of hp to a big hydra ball. Little buffs make huge differences. Just look at the end of 2011 Protoss buffs. They made upgrades cheaper and gave the Immortals 1 more range and Protoss was the best race for the next 6 months.
Which 6 months?
The 6 months where they had a player in all 3 GSL finals one of which was a PvP. Protoss really should have won the first 3 GSLs of 2012. Genius vs DRG and Squirtle vs MVP were the biggest chokes ever.
And you also had Ps doing well in WCS Korea (leading to WCS Asia, Global) , Rain winning OSL, getting to Ro4.
On March 09 2013 19:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.
Yeah, but I kind of wonder about the mentality. Violet going into this already with a losing mindset, thinking protoss is imba. First will be really comfortable, having friends and teammates with him for support, feeling confident and not worried about the matchup.
This protoss composition was popular earlier in WoL. I think it could be shut down by mass infestors fungaling and infested terrans or mass mutas (not sure about the second) so I guess now with the infestor nerf and phoenix longer range + void rays buff it makes it more difficult to counter. Maybe sh, hydras and vipers to abduct colllosi is possible? Haven't tried it yet though
On March 09 2013 19:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Violet's been more impressive at IEM, but IM has Aiur university in their house, so expecting First to win.
Yeah, but I kind of wonder about the mentality. Violet going into this already with a losing mindset, thinking protoss is imba. First will be really comfortable, having friends and teammates with him for support, feeling confident and not worried about the matchup.
Also having the entire team as backup to take revenge for you is very reassuring.
On March 09 2013 19:04 unteqair wrote: I hope they give it a couple of months before nerfing things. If anything, I'd prefer more tools of attack given to races struggling with a matchup.
Yeah if it still seems imbalanced in a month or two then instead of nerfing voids they should just buff something zerg maybe hydras a little? Just a little more hp/damage would make a huge difference.
Specially after what happened with the infestor. All zergs cried it was useless and after the +20% (fungal) damage on armored it became the most OP unit ever? C'mon...
For now maybe zergs need to corrupt + focus the Collo down one by one, so Hydras have a fight chance against Voids.
I agree with Ret in that Voids are the big problem for zerg atm.
I think vipers are the key to this matchup now, maybe it is a better choice than massing corrupters , I know feedback is basically a direct counter but for a protoss to go void ray, templar , collosus on the 3 bases takes a while and I am sure there will be some good timing attacks designed around this idea. I think as a zerg player we got lazy scouting protoss past the midgame, we need to know if they are transitioning hard to voids, or going mass collosus etc and then react accordingly
Now this is an interesting idea compared to the previous 2 posts by other users who simply QQed and contributed with nothing.
I don't have much experience with HotS yet but that's gonna change. The yoink ability seems really good against Collo, which I wish to see outside of just the obvious nasty timing pushes that are gonna pop around.