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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:30 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:29 stuchiu wrote:On March 07 2013 19:28 blade55555 wrote:
Ok I am really getting sick of seeing every single zerg in hots going for infestor/bl/corruptor. Jesus christ please stop I am so glad it's counterable in hots gogo dream!
Broodlords into ultra I can see, but going pure wol late game is irritating me to no end -_-. Broods into ultras seem like a waste of time to me against Bio. Just go Ultras. Actually it's not. terran can still get an anti ultra army even with the ultra buff, going the broodlords makes terran make a ton more marines and then vikings, then the ultra switch is super strong :D.
Good to know, I'll do that then.
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On March 07 2013 19:32 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:30 n0ise wrote:
the only thing i'll give forumzergs is I don't get all the infestors nerfs, which weren't really the (core) problem even in wol
They countered everything. People made 30+ of them as an army. How was it not a problem?
Freaky vs Bomber, best game ever!!!
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On March 07 2013 19:31 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:30 nomyx wrote:
TLO pulling an Xlord / Snute, will he be 0-5 by the end or will he step it up? I think he will beat Grubby!
That's honestly one of the matches I'm more excited for. There similar skill level and there's a high chance of swarm hosts.
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United Kingdom38149 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:31 azzih wrote:
This is a joke. Dont know what you could have done better here. He defended the drops as good as you can, he had the best eco you could have had at that point, the composition was good. But you just cant defend cost efficient against this constant stream of marines...
lol
TLO just isn't that good *shrug*
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On March 07 2013 19:31 azzih wrote:
This is a joke. Dont know what you could have done better here. He defended the drops as good as you can, he had the best eco you could have had at that point, the composition was good. But you just cant defend cost efficient against this constant stream of marines...
I think Violet will show us how to handle this.
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On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:On March 07 2013 19:05 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Okay great play by MVP but looking at his usage of speed medivacs... How does terran lose with that unit, the mobility is retarded. Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did. I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros. Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please? Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^. "Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct. Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on. This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with.
I know right, protoss has the ability to transform any nexus they want into a planetary fortress that shoots air and has more range than a siege tank, which they can instantly recall a large chunk of their army on to if they have the energy for it (which they should). Sure drops got stronger, but don't act like drop defense didn't get stronger too..
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Oh nice Targa  )
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On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:On March 07 2013 19:05 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Okay great play by MVP but looking at his usage of speed medivacs... How does terran lose with that unit, the mobility is retarded. Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did. I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros. Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please? Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^. "Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct. Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on. This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with.
We get two units that can't attack air, one that comes extremely late in the game, and a spell that adds a 13 range photon cannon. That's really not much extra drop defence.
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On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:
Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on.
Except if you knew something about PvT, you would know that having only 5 Stalkers in your main is a mistake/risk per se (because you need a sixth Stalker to kill Medivacs in 2 shots, and Rain even stopped focusing Medivacs in the Akilon Flats game once they started unloading), especially when you're still only on 3 gates to defend potential Medivac agression, and that tech-heavy build orders (i. e. what Rain played in both games) with a low unit count obviously have troubles defending multi-pronged drops.
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United States97274 Posts
On March 07 2013 19:33 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:31 azzih wrote:
This is a joke. Dont know what you could have done better here. He defended the drops as good as you can, he had the best eco you could have had at that point, the composition was good. But you just cant defend cost efficient against this constant stream of marines... lol TLO just isn't that good *shrug*
but what about that skill reset people kept talking about D:
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On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:On March 07 2013 19:05 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Okay great play by MVP but looking at his usage of speed medivacs... How does terran lose with that unit, the mobility is retarded. Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did. I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros. Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please? Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^. "Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct. Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on. This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with.
No!Protoss got nothing, it's all lost, Mvp has shown how broken terran is, nerf it, nerf it NOW, I WANT IT NOW. I want to see Mvp and other korean terrans losing to my bro from texas, NOW.
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On March 07 2013 19:31 azzih wrote:
This is a joke. Dont know what you could have done better here. He defended the drops as good as you can, he had the best eco you could have had at that point, the composition was good. But you just cant defend cost efficient against this constant stream of marines...
roach allin. Dream went supergreedy and TLO went supersafe...
At the time of the drops, TLO was already quite behind.
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If Stephano Dream and Mvp go throught (seems in good way) it will be the more "Balance" championship ever! 4z4t4p. Good job Blizzard :D
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On March 07 2013 19:32 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:31 azzih wrote:
This is a joke. Dont know what you could have done better here. He defended the drops as good as you can, he had the best eco you could have had at that point, the composition was good. But you just cant defend cost efficient against this constant stream of marines... marine op
Ultra 2 shots marines now, so that's the answer to marine tank. Then you can also add mutalisks to destroy medivacs, marauders and tanks.
Zerg compositions needs to have more variety in HOTS than in Wol. But eu zergs are too bad.
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On March 07 2013 19:32 Heartland wrote:
Seems like Liquid, particularly the foreign contingent, is so shaky now with so many people leaving, taking breaks or retiring. And those who are left are not really putting up results. A shame, must be tough to be a liquid fan.
I think there are a lot of teams whose the fans can complain more than Liquid fans.
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Haha nice save there Rachel
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On March 07 2013 19:33 dainbramage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:On March 07 2013 19:05 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Okay great play by MVP but looking at his usage of speed medivacs... How does terran lose with that unit, the mobility is retarded. Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did. I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros. Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please? Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^. "Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct. Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on. This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with. We get two units that can't attack air, one that comes extremely late in the game, and a spell that adds a 13 range photon cannon. That's really not much extra drop defence.
You got recall...
It is like terrans saying that early immortal busts were super strong even vs multiple bunkers. Now with MSC, it is OP and undefendable.
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On March 07 2013 19:33 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:On March 07 2013 19:05 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Okay great play by MVP but looking at his usage of speed medivacs... How does terran lose with that unit, the mobility is retarded. Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did. I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros. Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro. Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced. And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please? Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^. "Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct. Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on. This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with. I know right, protoss has the ability to transform any nexus they want into a planetary fortress that shoots air and has more range than a siege tank, which they can instantly recall a large chunk of their army on to if they have the energy for it (which they should). Sure drops got stronger, but don't act like drop defense didn't get stronger too..
The difference, though, is that medivac speed requires no investment from the player while spending energy is a sacrifice.
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Wings of Liberty... Successor... Heart of the Swarm.
Nice save.
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