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France13023 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:18 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:16 jj33 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 08 2013 01:07 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos. Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads... Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was. How was zerg domination lower than terran's one? Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly? Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny. To be honest though we don't have many "good" foreign terrans at the top level of play :p And why is that? Are terrans inherently harder for foreigners to play? Terran is harder to play at a pro level period. was the same in bw, same in sc2 Why do people still play terran then i wonder ? More easy to play other races after all in both games.
Because of Flash, MKP, Mvp, Fantasy, etc, etc?
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On March 08 2013 01:21 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:15 kyllinghest wrote:On March 08 2013 01:14 StarVe wrote:On March 08 2013 01:13 Boucot wrote:
What's the tech building required for Vipers ? Spire ? Spire and hive, I think. No spire, just hive required But... normally each zerg unit needs a building tech to be produced, right ?
Hive is apparently the building tech for Vipers. No spire needed...
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On March 08 2013 01:21 Mambo wrote:
MVP like a baws. Hope he takes the entire thing.
Why can't people just spell it correctly? It's not baws, it's not bouse, it's boss.
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What are Mutas like in TvZ? They would work with stopping the relentless drops
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On March 08 2013 01:21 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:15 kyllinghest wrote:On March 08 2013 01:14 StarVe wrote:On March 08 2013 01:13 Boucot wrote:
What's the tech building required for Vipers ? Spire ? Spire and hive, I think. No spire, just hive required But... normally each zerg unit needs a building tech to be produced, right ?
Drones don't require a building.
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apollo taking a jibe at the analyst :D
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On March 08 2013 01:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
What are Mutas like in TvZ? They would work with stopping the relentless drops
Depends... if the terran is prepared and has a few mines and a turret in mineral lines Mutas get shut down hard.
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On March 08 2013 01:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
What are Mutas like in TvZ? They would work with stopping the relentless drops
Sigh... widow mines 
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Oh Apollo, you know the analysts are going to get back at you for this...
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On March 08 2013 01:22 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:18 Insoleet wrote:On March 08 2013 01:17 vojnik wrote:
i feel that widow mines really shut down variety for zerg, at least attack vs air should be removed so that terran can not safely go 3 CC with minimal defenses Reapers, hellions, mines harass would be strong, but no anti air. So, zerg could answer by going mutalisks and harass the hell out of the greedy terran. Yeah because harrassing is cleary a greedy play...
If your harassing army is your entire army and you've got 3 CCs at 7:00, it's greedy.
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On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos. Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads... Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was. How was zerg domination lower than terran's one? Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly? Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny.
I followed the period of Terran domination pretty closely. At one point on the KR GM ladder, 19 of the top 20 players were Terran based on win %. I don't have the GSL stats handy but at the height of Terran dominance 6 of 8 quarterfinal spots were Terran and Terran players were so dominant that, even in this period of Zerg domination, Terran players still manage to be well represented in Code S (said another way, there were so many previously that it has taken quite a while to thin their numbers). Based on Elo almost all of the top players were Terran, even after the nerf to ghosts. What obviously changed this was the queen and to a much lesser extent overlord buffs. By, I'm guessing and I would bet, most statistical measures, Terran domination at the highest levels of play was more thorough than the current Zerg domination in WOL.
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On March 08 2013 01:22 Gowerly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:21 Boucot wrote:On March 08 2013 01:15 kyllinghest wrote:On March 08 2013 01:14 StarVe wrote:On March 08 2013 01:13 Boucot wrote:
What's the tech building required for Vipers ? Spire ? Spire and hive, I think. No spire, just hive required But... normally each zerg unit needs a building tech to be produced, right ? Drones don't require a building.
Yep, but don't worry I played zerg 3 months in the beta, till I figured out that I don't need a spire for Vipers :D.
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Damn these old maps need to disappear
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:22 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:19 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:14 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point? His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off. Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it. As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games? Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing. As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored. You're really not reading this too well. If you wanna call it overpowered, just say its overpowered. No need for this circling around the issue, "oh I could beat zerg by doing this and that with terran". I'm reading it all too well, Its just that thinly veiled balance whining annoys me. Lol. I'm protoss, I don't really care about TvZ balance. It's too strong vs current standard zerg. That's what I'm saying. That and nothing else. You're a terrible reader. If you don't care about the balance, why are you here commenting? You're saying its too strong, you're saying its overpowered, you are balance whining. Stop with this bullshit about "terrible readers", there is nothing subtle about your posts. Rofl. Go back and read what I said. It's too strong vs current standard zerg for that current standard to be viable. There might be other standard-capable openings for zerg. Putting it into the most simple words for you so you don't have to think: Current terran openings > current standard opening. Current zerg opening might have to be changed by zerg. How the flying f- is that balance whine. You are the sole reason people hate LR threads. Always arguing about pointless bullshit and starting more bullshit arguments.
Don't read my posts if you feel that way. I don't care about your opinion on whether or not I'm "contributing correctly" at all.
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Need more Queens. Immortal against Bio and perfect at keeping their health care low. With enough health care Marauders don't care if the look like a hedgehog.
On the other hand Terrans shouldn't use Siege Tanks past Hive.
I don't mind Zergs trying to force Hydras to work though. I really miss TvTs and the last year of WoL didn't allowed for many.
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On March 08 2013 01:23 Ketch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
What are Mutas like in TvZ? They would work with stopping the relentless drops Sigh... widow mines
Forgot about Widow Mines. Poor Zerg :/
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On March 08 2013 01:22 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:18 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 01:16 jj33 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 08 2013 01:07 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos. Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads... Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was. How was zerg domination lower than terran's one? Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly? Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny. To be honest though we don't have many "good" foreign terrans at the top level of play :p And why is that? Are terrans inherently harder for foreigners to play? Terran is harder to play at a pro level period. was the same in bw, same in sc2 Why do people still play terran then i wonder ? More easy to play other races after all in both games. Because of Flash, MKP, Mvp, Fantasy, etc, etc?
that is perhaps how you would start yeah by trying to play like your hero's but if other races are clearly more easy people who wanted to make money should all change races rather then keeping a silly dream up.
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United Kingdom12071 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:22 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:18 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 01:16 jj33 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 08 2013 01:07 Lysanias wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos. Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads... Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was. How was zerg domination lower than terran's one? Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly? Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny. To be honest though we don't have many "good" foreign terrans at the top level of play :p And why is that? Are terrans inherently harder for foreigners to play? Terran is harder to play at a pro level period. was the same in bw, same in sc2 Why do people still play terran then i wonder ? More easy to play other races after all in both games. Because of Flash, MKP, Mvp, Fantasy, etc, etc?
I only started playing Terran in BW (I started watching before I played) because of Flash :D
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Dream with the completely wrong reaction
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On March 08 2013 01:22 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:21 furo wrote:
stephano should try ling bane into ultra, macro games with roach infesters are pretty meh vs 3+ base terran... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Lings and Banes are dead in ZvT because of Widow Mines... Mines are too good versus Lings and Banes for those units to be viable.
I think it just makes ling bane muta a lot more micro intensive, you always have to be scouting with a few lings ahead of the main army, as well as having a few overseers with the mutas. With 10 mutas you can snipe a mine before it goes off
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