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Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:18:01
March 07 2013 16:17 GMT
#2781
Meh.

I'm more fed up with antiga shipyard. Feels like this map has been around for ages now.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2782
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

allow me to play devil's advocate
race progression from group to ro12
p: 50%, t:67%, z: 40%

not that such a low amount of games and players means anything, and the game isn't even released yet
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2783
this was pretty embarassing how they try to "cover up" the fuck up of the casters

a short but honest mocking "are you drunk? this was game 1" would be sooooo much better
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2784
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2785
On March 08 2013 01:16 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:11 vthree wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:07 Lysanias wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:
On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos.
Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads...

Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was.

How was zerg domination lower than terran's one?
Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly?
Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny.


To be honest though we don't have many "good" foreign terrans at the top level of play :p


And why is that? Are terrans inherently harder for foreigners to play?



Terran is harder to play at a pro level period. was the same in bw, same in sc2


Why do people still play terran then i wonder ? More easy to play other races after all in both games.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:19:10
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2786
On March 08 2013 01:17 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:12 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg.

As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base.

Your point?


You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point?


His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off.


Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it.

As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games?

Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing.


As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored.

You're really not reading this too well.


Well maybe if you would have made that point in the first place instead of posting one-liners you would have saved yourself a whole lot of trouble.


That was my point in the first place. Whether you're capable of interpreting it correctly is your problem, not mine.


We're on a forum here. It's not my responsibility to be "capable of interpreting" your points, it's up to you to formulate it correctly. If you're incapable of interpreting that point i'm pretty much done with this conversation.


Too bad, I was having so much fun.
Basic debate 101: if you're gonna assume more than exactly what you're reading, it's your responsibility to read into it correctly.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2787
Other than defending the hellion drop, I think Stephano played very well. Antiga is a hard map with roach/hydra just because of the weakness vs drops and the strength of bio/tank.
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2788
On March 08 2013 01:16 phodacbiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:15 mordk wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:14 BlackCompany wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:12 vthree wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:10 Heartland wrote:
Stephano just killed his own extractor with the vipers?


Yeah. Some zergs use hatcheries because more health. But it is also bigger risk. Sooner or later, we will see zergs killing their hatcheries using vipers. And then Idra will gg.


I doubt hes gonna gg. But i get your point ;-)

He'd GG instantly after his enemy consumed his own hatchery to death


No he wouldnt. He would say "lol what a joke unit" or "lol" then leave.


Then again, as he said at MLG, "In my experience killing your own buildings is a good way to win games"

After he killed his 3rd with his queens after saving it in a ZvZ, then proceeded to win anyway.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2789
On March 08 2013 01:16 Swiipii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

10 zergs, 6 Terrans, 8 Protosses at start . :p

4/4/4 race distribution advancing WITH the better players advancing. The latter being the more important
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2790
On March 08 2013 01:17 vojnik wrote:
i feel that widow mines really shut down variety for zerg, at least attack vs air should be removed so that terran can not safely go 3 CC with minimal defenses


I agree

Reapers, hellions, mines harass would be strong, but no anti air. So, zerg could answer by going mutalisks and harass the hell out of the greedy terran.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
March 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#2791
On March 08 2013 01:15 Caletor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:14 SkullnRoses wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:05 Twisting wrote:
Hello, to the people that talk about zerg having a hard time finnaly.

I would like to remind you to GomTvT. And the close spawn nightmares, zerg was very hard when WoL came out, and again is very hard now HotS is out.

After a year or something, the terran nerfs kept on comming. So enjoy your overpowerd year while u can

This.

On March 08 2013 01:06 BronzeKnee wrote:
Zerg had 8 months where it topped the TLPD winrates. Terran had 20 months.

Zerg had the most players in Code S GSL once (the current season, Season 1 2013). Terran had the most Code S GSL players for every season before that.

Comparing Zerg vs Terran dominance is like comparing Pyrrhus to Alexander the Great. Not even close.

And this as well.



thanks for writing this up. People tend to forget.

So all in all, Zerg needs 12 more months to be op so they are even with the Terrans? Can somebody tell me how many months Protoss gets? Im sure they want some too... we could try to balance the game instead but i think i feel bad if we dont pay you the months back..
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2792
On March 08 2013 01:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:14 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg.

As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base.

Your point?


You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point?


His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off.


Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it.

As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games?

Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing.


As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored.

You're really not reading this too well.

If you wanna call it overpowered, just say its overpowered. No need for this circling around the issue, "oh I could beat zerg by doing this and that with terran".

I'm reading it all too well, Its just that thinly veiled balance whining annoys me.


Lol. I'm protoss, I don't really care about TvZ balance. It's too strong vs current standard zerg. That's what I'm saying. That and nothing else. You're a terrible reader.

If you don't care about the balance, why are you here commenting? You're saying its too strong, you're saying its overpowered, you are balance whining. Stop with this bullshit about "terrible readers", there is nothing subtle about your posts.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2793
On March 08 2013 01:17 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:16 Swiipii wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

10 zergs, 6 Terrans, 8 Protosses at start . :p


4 Korean Terrans advances..

This. And 8/10 Koreans advanced.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2794
On March 08 2013 01:16 Swiipii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

10 zergs, 6 Terrans, 8 Protosses at start . :p


have to consider the players and not the numbers though
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2795
On March 08 2013 01:18 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:17 vojnik wrote:
i feel that widow mines really shut down variety for zerg, at least attack vs air should be removed so that terran can not safely go 3 CC with minimal defenses


I agree

Reapers, hellions, mines harass would be strong, but no anti air. So, zerg could answer by going mutalisks and harass the hell out of the greedy terran.


Roaches should be one of the options not the only one i feel
For the swarm!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:20:12
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2796
On March 08 2013 01:17 vojnik wrote:
i feel that widow mines5 range Queens really shut down variety for zerg Terrans, at least attack vs air should be removed so that terran can not safely go 3 CC with minimal defenses 3 hatch off no units

I hope this trend towards passive macro is gone, hopefully for good. Aggressive openers should be a risk vs safe openers, greedy openers should be exploitable
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2797
Just noticed: if Mvp will win this, he not only will have 9 premier championships - nearly double as much as anyone else (actually MMA is the only one with 5!), he would also overtake MC as top earner in SC2:

Currently:
1. Jang "MC" Min Chul $355,403
2. Jeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $333,620

If Mvp will win:
1. Jeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon $363,620
2. Jang "MC" Min Chul $356,903

Pretty cool!
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2798
On March 08 2013 01:18 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:17 vojnik wrote:
i feel that widow mines really shut down variety for zerg, at least attack vs air should be removed so that terran can not safely go 3 CC with minimal defenses


I agree

Reapers, hellions, mines harass would be strong, but no anti air. So, zerg could answer by going mutalisks and harass the hell out of the greedy terran.


You have no idea. WM hitting air is absolutely critical in TvP, you can't think more brainless than that I guess..
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 07 2013 16:19 GMT
#2799
On March 08 2013 01:18 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

allow me to play devil's advocate
race progression from group to ro12
p: 50%, t:67%, z: 40%

not that such a low amount of games and players means anything, and the game isn't even released yet


Korean progression 8/10 = 80%

If HoTS is balanced, it should be 100%
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
March 07 2013 16:20 GMT
#2800
On March 08 2013 01:15 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:10 Poopi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:06 BronzeKnee wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:
On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos.
Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads...

Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was.

How was zerg domination lower than terran's one?
Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly?
Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny.


Zerg had 8 months where it topped the TLPD winrates. Terran had 20 months.

Zerg had the most players in Code S GSL once (the current season, Season 1 2013). Terran had the most Code S GSL players for every season before that.

Comparing Zerg vs Terran dominance is like comparing Pyrrhus to Alexander the Great. Not even close.

So when did very bad terrans started to win against far better zergs?
Tell me . There are a lot of occurences of bad z. handily winning vs better terrans on the other hand.


Do you remember when Polt Prime came out and said that Code S was full of Terrans who didn't belong, who weren't good?

So take your pick!

Let's start with BitbyBitPrime vs Yugioh, Haypro, and taking a game off Moon.

Do I really need to go over more Terrans who simply didn't belong? Do you remember Rain cheesing Nestea out of the GSL in Open Season 3?

Losing to cheese ain't nothing to do with it lol. The game was full of allins / bad maps anyways. About what Polt said, it might have been true but it still was koreans terrans beating korean P/Z. Not JohnnyReco beating a foreigner in cdde S/A and almost beating a code S korean terran, or the TSL qualifiers brackets, etc, etc. The list goes on forever.
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