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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
March 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#2761
On March 08 2013 01:15 Azurues wrote:
umm this is the first game right?

i guess
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#2762
lol, caster thinks it was game 2?
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
March 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#2763
On March 08 2013 01:15 padfoota wrote:
lol wtf TvZ fight now looks like TvP WoL.....lose big army due to mistake - lose entire game


??? lol
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
March 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#2764
On March 08 2013 01:14 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:13 Boucot wrote:
What's the tech building required for Vipers ? Spire ?

Spire and hive, I think.

No spire, just hive required
"NO" -Has
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#2765
Nathanias dropped again...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:17:44
March 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#2766
On March 08 2013 01:14 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg.

As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base.

Your point?


You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point?


His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off.


Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it.

As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games?

Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing.


As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored.

You're really not reading this too well.

If you wanna call it overpowered, just say its overpowered. No need for this circling around the issue, "oh I could beat zerg by doing this and that with terran".

I'm reading it all too well, Its just that thinly veiled balance whining annoys me.


Lol. I'm protoss, I don't really care about TvZ balance. It's too strong vs current standard zerg from what I've seen. That's what I'm saying. That and nothing else. You're a terrible reader.

Balance isn't decided by whether or not strategies are strong vs the current standard. Balance becomes an issue if a strategy cannot be countered properly. Did I say anywhere that that's the case? I remember saying the exact opposite.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Prevolved
Profile Joined March 2011
United States573 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2767
4 Z, 4 P, 4 T advance. Perfect
Know thyself.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2768
That was a really bad engage, honestly. Too spread out, no Vipers, no vision.

Infestors or some Mutas might have made a difference there.
It's your boy Guzma!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45051 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2769
On March 08 2013 01:15 Slomo wrote:
So this game was completly meaningless?


Dream vs. Stephano decided 2nd and 3rd place in this bracket, which decides who plays who in the next round.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2770
Too bad Stephano lost patience there and attacked in very bad positions.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2771
On March 08 2013 01:11 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:07 Lysanias wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:
On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos.
Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads...

Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was.

How was zerg domination lower than terran's one?
Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly?
Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny.


To be honest though we don't have many "good" foreign terrans at the top level of play :p


And why is that? Are terrans inherently harder for foreigners to play?



Terran is harder to play at a pro level period. was the same in bw, same in sc2
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2772
On March 08 2013 01:15 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:14 BlackCompany wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:12 vthree wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:10 Heartland wrote:
Stephano just killed his own extractor with the vipers?


Yeah. Some zergs use hatcheries because more health. But it is also bigger risk. Sooner or later, we will see zergs killing their hatcheries using vipers. And then Idra will gg.


I doubt hes gonna gg. But i get your point ;-)

He'd GG instantly after his enemy consumed his own hatchery to death


No he wouldnt. He would say "lol what a joke unit" or "lol" then leave.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2773
On March 08 2013 01:14 Lysanias wrote:
Stephano can trade as much as he wants, but it's 3 base vs 3 base for a long time, Dream's units are simply more cost effective.


ah nm.


Actually stephano was more cost effective, until dream managed to take a 4th and drop mules on it. Else stephano would have win.
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2774
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

10 zergs, 6 Terrans, 8 Protosses at start . :p
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2775
On March 08 2013 01:15 padfoota wrote:
lol wtf TvZ fight now looks like TvP WoL.....lose big army due to mistake - lose entire game


I though that was the past year? When fungals did more damage than storms+colossi.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 07 2013 16:16 GMT
#2776
Poor Nathanias.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 07 2013 16:17 GMT
#2777
On March 08 2013 01:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:12 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg.

As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base.

Your point?


You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point?


His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off.


Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it.

As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games?

Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing.


As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored.

You're really not reading this too well.


Well maybe if you would have made that point in the first place instead of posting one-liners you would have saved yourself a whole lot of trouble.


That was my point in the first place. Whether you're capable of interpreting it correctly is your problem, not mine.


We're on a forum here. It's not my responsibility to be "capable of interpreting" your points, it's up to you to formulate it correctly. If you're incapable of interpreting that point i'm pretty much done with this conversation.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
March 07 2013 16:17 GMT
#2778
On March 08 2013 01:16 Swiipii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

10 zergs, 6 Terrans, 8 Protosses at start . :p


4 Korean Terrans advances..
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
March 07 2013 16:17 GMT
#2779
i feel that widow mines really shut down variety for zerg, at least attack vs air should be removed so that terran can not safely go 3 CC with minimal defenses
For the swarm!
Caletor
Profile Joined March 2013
32 Posts
March 07 2013 16:17 GMT
#2780
On March 08 2013 01:16 Swiipii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:15 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.

10 zergs, 6 Terrans, 8 Protosses at start . :p



but all zergs qualified through WoL so they all suck. except these zergs who got through.
Jesus dont you know anything about this forum?
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