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Aand then stephano fucks up brilliantly.
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Nooooo evolving into such a great game - and then Stephano does a flunk attack 
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On March 08 2013 01:10 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos. Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads... Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was. How was zerg domination lower than terran's one? Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly? Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny. Zerg had 8 months where it topped the TLPD winrates. Terran had 20 months. Zerg had the most players in Code S GSL once (the current season, Season 1 2013). Terran had the most Code S GSL players for every season before that. Comparing Zerg vs Terran dominance is like comparing Pyrrhus to Alexander the Great. Not even close. So when did very bad terrans started to win against far better zergs? Tell me  . There are a lot of occurences of bad z. handily winning vs better terrans on the other hand.
This has always been a very subjective argument. This "bad" zerg doesnt deserve to beat this "great" terran etc. Both have a very different playstyle, which often makes players look very different.
We should stick to facts when discussing balance.
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On March 08 2013 01:12 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg. As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base. Your point? You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point? His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off. Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it. As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games? Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing. As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored. You're really not reading this too well. Well maybe if you would have made that point in the first place instead of posting one-liners you would have saved yourself a whole lot of trouble.
That was my point in the first place. Whether you're capable of interpreting it correctly is your problem, not mine.
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On March 08 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg. As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base. Your point? You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point? His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off. Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it. As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games? Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing. As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored. You're really not reading this too well.
If you wanna call it overpowered, just say its overpowered. No need for this circling around the issue, "oh I could beat zerg by doing this and that with terran".
I'm reading it all too well, Its just that thinly veiled balance whining annoys me.
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Outplayed! Stephano made clear mistakes.
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Wow Stephano really screwed up that last attack.
Well played by Dream! Deserved that win
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On March 08 2013 01:12 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:10 Heartland wrote:
Stephano just killed his own extractor with the vipers? Yeah. Some zergs use hatcheries because more health. But it is also bigger risk. Sooner or later, we will see zergs killing their hatcheries using vipers. And then Idra will gg.
I doubt hes gonna gg. But i get your point ;-)
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Its so good to watch a late-game where zerg is not 10x more forgiving than terran. Horrible positioning cost him that game, as it would cost a terran
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umm this is the first game right?
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So this game was completly meaningless?
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lol wtf TvZ fight now looks like TvP WoL.....lose big army due to mistake - lose entire game
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On March 08 2013 01:14 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:13 Boucot wrote:
What's the tech building required for Vipers ? Spire ? Spire and hive, I think.
Just hive no spire.
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4 terran, 4 zerg and 4 protoss in the playoffs. dont think any race can complain right now.
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Eurgh, horrible engagement for Stephano.
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i like how stephano only uses 4 hotkeys vs dream's 10
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On March 08 2013 01:10 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos. Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads... Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was. How was zerg domination lower than terran's one? Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly? Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny. Zerg had 8 months where it topped the TLPD winrates. Terran had 20 months. Zerg had the most players in Code S GSL once (the current season, Season 1 2013). Terran had the most Code S GSL players for every season before that. Comparing Zerg vs Terran dominance is like comparing Pyrrhus to Alexander the Great. Not even close. So when did very bad terrans started to win against far better zergs? Tell me . There are a lot of occurences of bad z. handily winning vs better terrans on the other hand.
Do you remember when Polt came out and said that Code S was full of Terrans who didn't belong, who weren't good?
So take your pick!
Let's start with BitbyBit vs Yugioh, Haypro, and taking a game off Moon.
Do I really need to go over more Terrans who simply didn't belong? Do you remember Rain cheesing Nestea out of the GSL in Open Season 3?
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Not imbalance just bad play @stephano
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On March 08 2013 01:14 SkullnRoses wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:05 Twisting wrote:Hello, to the people that talk about zerg having a hard time finnaly. I would like to remind you to GomTvT. And the close spawn nightmares, zerg was very hard when WoL came out, and again is very hard now HotS is out. After a year or something, the terran nerfs kept on comming. So enjoy your overpowerd year while u can This. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:06 BronzeKnee wrote:
Zerg had 8 months where it topped the TLPD winrates. Terran had 20 months.
Zerg had the most players in Code S GSL once (the current season, Season 1 2013). Terran had the most Code S GSL players for every season before that.
Comparing Zerg vs Terran dominance is like comparing Pyrrhus to Alexander the Great. Not even close. And this as well.
thanks for writing this up. People tend to forget.
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On March 08 2013 01:14 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:12 vthree wrote:On March 08 2013 01:10 Heartland wrote:
Stephano just killed his own extractor with the vipers? Yeah. Some zergs use hatcheries because more health. But it is also bigger risk. Sooner or later, we will see zergs killing their hatcheries using vipers. And then Idra will gg. I doubt hes gonna gg. But i get your point ;-)
He'd GG instantly after his enemy consumed his own hatchery to death
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