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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:10:04
March 07 2013 16:09 GMT
#2701
On March 08 2013 01:08 DOUDOU wrote:
can anyone confirm TLO is doing great so far against MVP?


He's still alive. But it's TLO vs MVP, nothing is going to impact how that one turns out.

e: spoke too soon, MVP just dissected him.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 07 2013 16:09 GMT
#2702
I don't really care whether HOTS is balanced or not but it is a lot more interesting to watch than WoL.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12905 Posts
March 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#2703
On March 08 2013 01:06 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:
On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos.
Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads...

Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was.

How was zerg domination lower than terran's one?
Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly?
Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny.


Zerg had 8 months where it topped the TLPD winrates. Terran had 20 months.

Zerg had the most players in Code S GSL once (the current season, Season 1 2013). Terran had the most Code S GSL players for every season before that.

Comparing Zerg vs Terran dominance is like comparing Pyrrhus to Alexander the Great. Not even close.

So when did very bad terrans started to win against far better zergs?
Tell me . There are a lot of occurences of bad z. handily winning vs better terrans on the other hand.
WriterMaru
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
March 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#2704
Stephano just killed his own extractor with the vipers?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#2705
Friendly extractor kill lol.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
March 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#2706
TLO looked a lot better than Stephano did but still not enough.

One more game for Mvp's 5-0
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#2707
Mvp's drops are so friggin scary. Like at 4 places at once, insane.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
EZSkull
Profile Joined March 2011
United States230 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2708
And that's what you can do if you actually don't lose your Vipers prior to a fight
“I can discredit the K-1 with two syllables. Bob Sapp.” - Sonnen(R)
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2709
On March 08 2013 01:07 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Redox wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:00 Weavel wrote:
On March 08 2013 00:59 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zerg winning = zerg hate, zerg losing = zerg hate. Seems like these threads have just become zerg bashing sprees over the last 6 mos.
Might have something to do with swarm of zergs balance whining. Reminds me of 2010 and early 2011 LR threads...

Terran hate back then has never been on the same level as zerg hate now. Although the Terran domination back then was way bigger then the Zerg one ever was.

How was zerg domination lower than terran's one?
Did you see foreign terrans beating top koreans zergs repeateadly?
Zerg got the most GSL wins and some absurd cash winning in 2012, it's not even funny.


To be honest though we don't have many "good" foreign terrans at the top level of play :p


And why is that? Are terrans inherently harder for foreigners to play?
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2710
Who was the guy who claimed blinding cloud didnt work against bio??
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2711
So nice to see hydras in ZvT
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2712
I'd like to confirm to the guy who said vipers were bad against bio.

Yeah look at that engagement :p
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2713
Yea Zerg is so weak in HotS -.- even after losing 19 drones early game -.- can we stop the crying now?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2714
damn hydra. i love it's movement speed even though it's similar with on creep lol
Caletor
Profile Joined March 2013
32 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2715
On March 08 2013 01:11 Hylirion wrote:
Who was the guy who claimed blinding cloud didnt work against bio??


pure bio. it was tanks this time
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 16:12:05
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2716
On March 08 2013 01:09 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:05 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:02 Bagi wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As protoss I gotta say I could probably win TvZ handily with 2 reaper opening and then pressure third with widow mines vs current standard zerg.

As terran I gotta say I could probably win PvZ handily by turtling into VR/colossi on 3 base.

Your point?


You could maybe. Not saying that skytoss is balanced. What's your point?


His point is that you shouldn't make claims without evidence that contribute literally nothing to anything aside from pissing people off.


Take Yoda's opening vs Ret as evidence. Maybe stop arguing with me just because you feel like it.

As evidence of what? That certain strategies can win games?

Once again, thanks for that nugget of wisdom. Terran has ways to beat zerg. Amazing.


As evidence that some openings and overall playstyles are extremely strong vs current standard zerg? Which was my point in the first place. It will win in the hands of good players. Whether or not that's a balance issue or zerg just has to play differently remains to be explored.

You're really not reading this too well.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#2717
On March 08 2013 01:11 Hylirion wrote:
Who was the guy who claimed blinding cloud didnt work against bio??


BURN HIM!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
March 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#2718
Good science the balance whine is incessant in this thread. Look, the group stages were a mix of well practiced and unpracticed players. Maybe call of the balance bitchfest until the bracket stages where we can at least make some reasonable conclusions about balance?
My vanity is justified
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
March 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#2719
Stephano needs more creepspread, if that was the case I'd really like his position. Like that his army seems too vulnerable.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
March 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#2720
Stephano needs spores/spines up to stop drops.
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