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France9034 Posts
On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy.
This is a brilliant way to expose the facts.
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On March 06 2013 01:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy. This is pure genius.
Yup. And it explains why builds like roach all-in became so much better after Queen buff even though they don't seem related
1) 6 Queens builds get popular
2) Terran early pressure no longer is as effective
3) Terran do less early pressure and more greedy builds
4) Roach all-in is more effective
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Ret was complaining about widow mines earlier today, hopefully Yoda can show us if they're actually OP in ZvT
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On March 06 2013 01:24 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy. This is a brilliant way to expose the facts.
What was 2base immortal sentry then ?
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On March 06 2013 01:21 Skiblet wrote:
DDDAAAMNNN 7% say group B would be taken by Ret? Guess alot of people are wrong :D
And science (Aligulac) said 1.65%
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Is Yoda eating anything at all? :D
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On March 06 2013 01:26 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:24 Ragnarork wrote:On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy. This is a brilliant way to expose the facts. What was 2base immortal sentry then ?
A kick to the nuts.
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Why do they have this tournament on such terrible time? Wouldn't more be able to watch it if the matches were from like 17.00 to 22.00 CET.(which is like morning/lunch in america).
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On March 06 2013 01:26 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:24 Ragnarork wrote:On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy. This is a brilliant way to expose the facts. What was 2base immortal sentry then ?
Immortal-sentry all-in is being the guy with the pistol and wanting the fist fight but the guy you challenged has a concealed weapon permit and kills you.
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On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy.
have to disagree that.
seeing how many mutas are on the field now will tell you the zerg will not have a high gas to have a mass mutas and infestors broodlord ball.
Most protoss deal with mass mutas by cannons, turtle defense into storm and archons.
Protoss will go attack once the zerg starts sac-ing them mutas.
If I were to use your fistfight example, then it's more like you two are exchanging punches, then he noticed he can't bring you down with just small punches and decided to grab that gun. the moment you see him getting that gun lock and loaded is when you know he is going to shoot and there is a time widow for you to knock him out before he gets the gun loaded and aimed
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On March 06 2013 01:26 HugzForL wrote:
Is Yoda eating anything at all? :D
No time for eating, need to practice those builds.
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On March 06 2013 01:26 Alkro wrote:
Why do they have this tournament on such terrible time? Wouldn't more be able to watch it if the matches were from like 17.00 to 22.00 CET.(which is like morning/lunch in america).
It's held at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CeBIT
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On March 06 2013 01:27 DJHelium wrote:No time for eating, need to practice those builds.
That's what i thought aswell!
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On March 06 2013 01:26 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 01:26 Lysanias wrote:On March 06 2013 01:24 Ragnarork wrote:On March 06 2013 01:20 -_- wrote:On March 06 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:On March 06 2013 01:04 -_- wrote:
I would love it if Blizzard had managed to balance it so Zergs who play HOTS like WOL (turtle, get infestor BL) get destroyed (Nerchio and Slivko), but Zergs who use Hydras and Swarm Hosts well and aggressively do well. Wot? Nerchio is know for a lot more than infestor/brood lord and didn't build his success off of it. All vs Zerg matchups in WOL are played in the shadow of Infestor Broodlord.Let me put it this way. Imagine a man walks up to you with pistol in one hand and says "Stand right there and let's have a fistfight." You don't want to get shot so you freeze, and he proceeds to pummel you into unconsciousness with his other hand. Then he goes and brags to everyone how beat you in fistfight fair and square without using a gun, and that's he a better Boxer than you. You'd respond: Yeah, you might not have used that pistol, but I had take into account that at any point you could've shot me. If I'm playing against Zerg, I always have to account for the fact that Infestor BL could be coming. For example, when a Zerg goes mass Mutas, you'll often see a Protoss attack to quickly and chewed up by Zergling Muta, or lose a base trade, because he knows mass spines and BL Infestor could always be on the horizon. Even if Nerchio never used BL Infestor (which he in fact repeatedly did), part of his success would be based on that strategy. This is a brilliant way to expose the facts. What was 2base immortal sentry then ? A kick to the nuts.
good point.
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Boggles my mind that the casters didnt use all that downtime to figure out the scenarios for who will advance.
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On March 06 2013 01:26 Alkro wrote:
Why do they have this tournament on such terrible time? Wouldn't more be able to watch it if the matches were from like 17.00 to 22.00 CET.(which is like morning/lunch in america).
take a look what Cebit is and think why its not possible to have the tournament at the times u want
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On March 06 2013 01:26 HugzForL wrote:
Is Yoda eating anything at all? :D
I think he is able to surive with minimal food consumption by feeding of the force.
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Austria24417 Posts
Btw anybody tell me how Ret beat everybody?
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On March 06 2013 01:26 Alkro wrote:
Why do they have this tournament on such terrible time? Wouldn't more be able to watch it if the matches were from like 17.00 to 22.00 CET.(which is like morning/lunch in america).
Probably because it is a decent time for Koreans?
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