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[MLG] Idra vs Minigun - Dallas Qualifier Day 23 - Page 12

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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
March 03 2013 22:40 GMT
#221
On March 04 2013 07:37 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 07:35 GunSec wrote:
14k viewers now :D


And people wonder why Idra was invited :p

The people love a spectacle

So IdrA is basically the Michael Bay of SC2 ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 22:40:57
March 03 2013 22:40 GMT
#222
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 03 2013 22:41 GMT
#223
IdrA getting protossed since 2008. I remember him whining about sc1 protoss too
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nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 03 2013 22:41 GMT
#224
why doesn't zerg just 2 base all-in?
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
March 03 2013 22:41 GMT
#225
"You gotta be wondering what his mental state is" Not really :D
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 03 2013 22:41 GMT
#226
On March 04 2013 07:39 Qikz wrote:
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On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:
On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow.

Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly.


It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again.

There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast.

There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game.

Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason.

Perhaps I wasn't paying enough attention (I missed the fist five minutes or so) and haven't seen the new PvZ meta enough, so I thought the Immortal-Sentry bit was all-in. I agree with you about the contain. He could have set up a beautiful arc at the bottom of the ramp and in the choke, and he could have contained Minigun on two bases for quite a while.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 03 2013 22:41 GMT
#227
On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?


People seem to forget that now toss can actually attack without either just winning the game or losing instantly. :/
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BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#228
Idra should of set up a choke point ouside Mini's base, force him to stay 2 base. If he moves out just guirilla fight to waste mana on sentries while he can continue to position his army for good concave. Instead he chokes himself in his own base
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#229
On March 04 2013 07:27 MLG_Adam wrote:
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On March 04 2013 07:23 Lonyo wrote:
On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing

Ragequit timing*


Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead.

Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else.


Shameful invite? We invited him because of cumulative 2012 performance. Who would you recommend inviting over him based on results?

Someone who can act like a professional, for starters.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#230
On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?


It was still at least cheese because Idra was waaaaaaaay ahead when Minigun had to recall. Probe production is cut, tech is cut. Idra just played fucking terrible. He didn't tech, he didn't expand, he did nothing but mass a unit composition that's the worst against the most obvious followup. And then he typed "lol" and left.
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Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#231
On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting.

Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps


Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often).
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SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 22:43:34
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#232
I don't think people understand. Idra had to cut everything to get out the units to stop the allin, which he crushed. but he didnt get to kill it off because of recall and from that point he wasn't able to transition into an anti death ball composition in time. His only chance was a good mid map engagement.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#233
On March 04 2013 07:40 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 07:37 Bagration wrote:
On March 04 2013 07:35 GunSec wrote:
14k viewers now :D


And people wonder why Idra was invited :p

The people love a spectacle

So IdrA is basically the Michael Bay of SC2 ?


Right now, there are more than 14k viewers, which is significantly more than the other broadcasts. And this is despite the fact that the level of play here is much lower than the level that some of the Koreans showed (though the Korean games were quite cheesy). Nothing like a good grudgematch to draw viewers
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BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#234
On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?


Because minigun shouldn't have had an army. If this was WOL, it would have been an immortal sentry all-in by definition. In HotS, every all-in Protoss does is now essentially a timing attack thanks to recall.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10035 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#235
On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke.


it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#236
On March 04 2013 07:40 nomyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting.


Rise of the Patch Protoss!?


expansion toss. Kind of stupid how the MSc pops up with 3 abilities, no upgrade needed.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#237
Ya know, I was soooooooo waiting for the forge first.

He definitely has soul. In more ways than one.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 03 2013 22:42 GMT
#238
On March 04 2013 07:38 Topzerg wrote:
I'm making a point to David Kim... I used to pay for every events in HD, now I only watch free stuff and never make time for it, it fits or I don't watch. I'd rather see this game die than stay in this stupid deathball state.


but it wasn't a maxed death ball, it was 120 supply death ball twice. That's 240 supply, and that's horrible
GoldenGun
Profile Joined May 2011
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 22:43:25
March 03 2013 22:43 GMT
#239
Recall is soooooo imbalance. Toss will never get punished for all-in anymore.

User was warned for this post
Get over yourself.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8744 Posts
March 03 2013 22:43 GMT
#240
On March 04 2013 07:42 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 07:27 MLG_Adam wrote:
On March 04 2013 07:23 Lonyo wrote:
On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing

Ragequit timing*


Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead.

Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else.


Shameful invite? We invited him because of cumulative 2012 performance. Who would you recommend inviting over him based on results?

Someone who can act like a professional, for starters.


if you look at the upper right hand corner on the stream - you might catch the ~14,5k viewers

I would say he is bringing in viewers like a pro.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
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