EPT[MLG] Idra vs Minigun - Dallas Qualifier Day 23 - Page 14
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:45 Loxley wrote: Yeah im not saying the new units suck or anything, (haven't played it yet). But it really doesnt belong to early game composition apparently.. Most of the Zerg games I see being streamed are exclusive WoL (upgraded) units. One thing that's nice is the hatch tech OL speed means you're less likely to be surprised, but yea Zerg could use a bit more early options besides burrow. | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:44 Qikz wrote: The thing is, with Hydras, Roaches and Lings (Hydras if you actually build a lair before you get your third base, which also isn't all in by the way) deal with pretty much all the early stuff on their own. There was nothing they could add to zerg which gives them anything new early game. It wasn't needed. Terrans however needed better defense early game as opening mech vs toss was really hard to do and Protoss needed a way to attack with units without it being instantly all in as they left their bases. Great post, thanks for your insight! I understand the reasoning better, and know its a balance game where you just can't add flavor units. But still, having playing hundreds of games with zerg, I would love to change up the first 10min of a game  Edit: And to the poster above; Didn't know that! I'll have to watch much more closely to Hots games before it actually comes out apparently. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:48 nkr wrote: recall has nothing to do in a game like sc2 But Jaehoon plays SC2 | ||
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Topzerg
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote: it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[ Lets pretend this is WOL and there is no recall. Minigun's army is essentially fucked. IdrA has the counter composition, a larger army size, and a full surround. Minigun wouldn't have any substantial army to follow through with a proper winning secondary all-in. When the second all-in came, Minigun still had most of his immortals and sentries from the first allin plus a bunch of collossi which fucks over the hydra tech. My issue is that protoss can commit to these semi-allins or all-ins and not be punished very hard for doing so. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
I can't wait for him to screw up a recall in HotS, oh the puns. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12032 Posts
Opening 3 base roach is completely countered by immortals purely on their range and how strong immortals are against roaches. Had 2 base lair openings into third bases been more standard, I think the soul train never would have been as strong. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12450 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:42 BlackPanther wrote: Because minigun shouldn't have had an army. If this was WOL, it would have been an immortal sentry all-in by definition. In HotS, every all-in Protoss does is now essentially a timing attack thanks to recall. And you think that's a problem because? In WoL zerg could 6pool and transition into a macro game. Were you crying back then? Cause it tends to be KINDA worse. | ||
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Swiipii
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On March 04 2013 07:44 ceaRshaf wrote: Witch is good since zergs cannot expand and drone to death and worry only for an all in to win. Protoss now really has options. But I guess that is bad right? You dont make any sense . If a Zerg doesnt play safe he will get punished by a 2 or 3 base all in . But now even If he plays safely and is about to crush the all in, the Protoss is just going to recall . And dont forget that in HOTS Zergs do not have the advantage in late game anymore . | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
Lure's my favorite protoss player. He does some very sexy gate-core-nexus expands. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:45 grush57 wrote: he was making a spire. And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army. His spire timing was a reaction to the colossus as it waltzed into the third, it wasn't even complete yet. And he never got another overlord in minigun's base to see the transition, which is textbook. On that map he would have AT LEAST forced another recall if not taken an effective engage if he had the tower like TT1 was saying. Having said that though it was allin, through and through. You look at that in WoL and anyone would say 2 base allin. Just because you have recall and keep getting upgrades doesn't mean staying on 2 bases at 15min is viable for a macro game. He did it because of the map, ye. Still allin... | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:48 Aerisky wrote: Wow, Idra is STILL trying to use ling roach hydra. Not sure about that D: And what do you want him to use? You need to open roaches vs protoss or you die to some zealot all-ins, then swarmhost is too late for any of the all-ins and infestors got nerfed pretty badly(especially infested terrans) so vs P there is no point in making them. He's forced to do roach/hydra, especially cause of flying msc. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:45 grush57 wrote: he was making a spire. And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army. If it wasn't for recall he might not have put himself in that position. | ||
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