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During the MLG Winter Season Showdowns, 56 of the world's best StarCraft II players will compete in Heart of the Swarm. Each player will compete in 1 best-of-5 Showdown Match, with each winner receiving a paid trip to compete in the MLG Winter Championship. Tune in and watch every match in FREE 1080p HD at www.majorleaguegaming.com and on Twitch.TV.
 2013 MLG Winter Championship/ShowdownsSchedule/VODS+ Show Spoiler +Tonight's match:
 IdrA vs  Minigun www.majorleaguegaming.com Results+ Show Spoiler +Recommended Games+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 1?Yes (14) 52% No (13) 48% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 2?Yes (22) 59% No (15) 41% 37 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 3?Yes (14) 58% No (10) 42% 24 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 4?No (10) 56% Yes (8) 44% 18 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 4? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 5?No (10) 56% Yes (8) 44% 18 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 5? (Vote): Yes
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Akilon Wastes
Bifrost
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Korhal City
Newkirk City
Ohana
Planet S
Star Station
Whirlwind
Note: In each Winter Season Showdown match, both Players will veto three Maps. Invite-Only online matches; Winner takes all, Best of five games The 28 winners will receive placement at the Winter Championship in Dallas from March 15-17 where they will compete with Life, Leenock, Flash and Bomber.
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Hmm i thought it was ddoro he was playing?
I have to give the edge to Minigun though. 3-1
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this is too much for Idra to take I reckon. I think Minigun will win 3-0 but anyway one can dream and hope that Idra can take a game. GOGO Idra!
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Poll: Who will win ?Minigun (76) 70% IdrA (33) 30% 109 total votes Your vote: Who will win ? (Vote): IdrA
(Vote): Minigun
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Minigun fighting 
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Idra could not beat protoss in wol so I can't hope for a miracle in hots 
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On March 04 2013 03:44 ceaRshaf wrote:Idra could not beat protoss in wol so I can't hope for a miracle in hots
I prefer oracles anyway.
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Very interested if the games will be any good. Everytime I tuned into Idra's stream he seemed to ragequit against protoss. No matter what he faced, early/mid game army, or the arguably way too strong late game HotS composition...
Well hoping for some ggs!
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On March 04 2013 03:47 Doublemint wrote:
Very interested if the games will be any good. Everytime I tuned into Idra's stream he seemed to ragequit against protoss. No matter what he faced, early/mid game army, or the arguably way too strong late game HotS composition...
Well hoping for some ggs!
That's definitely idra in a nutshell. I'm assuming Minigun will win, and we'll see nary an idra gg.
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Minigun gonna own some IdrA face tonight.
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chad motherfuckin jones fighting
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did i miss something? apparently i've missed something.
i never watch player streams. based off their status, i would've expected everybody to vote for Idra, i've also heard that he's been doing pretty well in HotS and he started playing only HotS several months ago. is Minigun a god in HotS or something?
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Just cheese Idra, and it's automatically not gg
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On March 04 2013 04:11 Schelim wrote:
did i miss something? apparently i've missed something.
i never watch player streams. based off their status, i would've expected everybody to vote for Idra, i've also heard that he's been doing pretty well in HotS and he started playing only HotS several months ago. is Minigun a god in HotS or something?
Protoss is good in hots, skytoss (which they can turtle on 3 base pretty easily) is basically unkillable. People voting against Idra I'm sure is mostly because of the state of the game - also Minigun has been doing well on ladder (because of imbalance or not, idk)
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Austria24422 Posts
FHBNAJNZOWZ I would so watch this even if just for the BM. Minigun should take this. Hell, he beat Idra in ZvZ once.
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Idra has been complaining about Minigun and protoss for about two months now, I don't think he has the right mentality going into these games.
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oh so Idra isn't confirmed against Life?
I'd expect Minigun to take this then. Protoss are the natural predators of Grackens
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Bisutopia19338 Posts
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
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On March 04 2013 04:47 Mesha wrote:
Is this from replays?
I think so.
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On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about.
I think I have the answer for you! It came to me while I watched his stream and, god forgive me, I read the twitch chat a bit.
He is just the guy everybody has got an opinion on. Either you hate to love him, or you love to hate him. Publicity wise it seems to work just fine as his stream is widely popular, people watching it have various interesting motivations for sure^^
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On March 04 2013 04:18 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 04:11 Schelim wrote:
did i miss something? apparently i've missed something.
i never watch player streams. based off their status, i would've expected everybody to vote for Idra, i've also heard that he's been doing pretty well in HotS and he started playing only HotS several months ago. is Minigun a god in HotS or something? Protoss is good in hots, skytoss (which they can turtle on 3 base pretty easily) is basically unkillable. People voting against Idra I'm sure is mostly because of the state of the game - also Minigun has been doing well on ladder (because of imbalance or not, idk)
hahaha, that doesn't make you sound like a huge idra fanboy and is not biased at all.../sarcasm
anyways, minigun is one of NA's best protoss for sure, he's a really strong macro toss, of which there are not many in NA at least. It seems like Idra has trouble vs. his playstyle, and combined with the fact that (despite what Idra's fanboys may say) they seem to be around the same skill level, overall minigun is a really strong opponent.
I look forward to these games!! <go minigun  >
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Not a 4:0 sweep, but I doubt IdrA will win this.
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MI
NI
GUN
FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^_^
4-2 Minigun, methinks.
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On March 04 2013 04:55 Shebuha wrote:
MI
NI
GUN
FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^_^
4-2 Minigun, methinks.
On March 04 2013 04:53 kafkaesque wrote:
Not a 4:0 sweep, but I doubt IdrA will win this.
I think it's a Bo5
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On March 04 2013 04:52 PulseKane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 04:18 Zenbrez wrote:On March 04 2013 04:11 Schelim wrote:
did i miss something? apparently i've missed something.
i never watch player streams. based off their status, i would've expected everybody to vote for Idra, i've also heard that he's been doing pretty well in HotS and he started playing only HotS several months ago. is Minigun a god in HotS or something? Protoss is good in hots, skytoss (which they can turtle on 3 base pretty easily) is basically unkillable. People voting against Idra I'm sure is mostly because of the state of the game - also Minigun has been doing well on ladder (because of imbalance or not, idk) hahaha, that doesn't make you sound like a huge idra fanboy and is not biased at all.../sarcasm anyways, minigun is one of NA's best protoss for sure, he's a really strong macro toss, of which there are not many in NA at least. It seems like Idra has trouble vs. his playstyle, and combined with the fact that (despite what Idra's fanboys may say) they seem to be around the same skill level, overall minigun is a really strong opponent. I look forward to these games!! <go minigun >
I'm not bitching about balance. I do think Minigun is the best NA toss (Huk perhaps?). I've watched Minigun's stream a bit recently, and he's certainly good. I'm just saying I can probably accurately estimate that Idra has more fans than Minigun - somebody said because of this, they're surprised Idra has less votes to win. If you're denying that toss is stronger than zerg atm, you're trying a bit too hard to be unbiased.
This early into a new game, I don't see why it's a bad thing to call things "not perfectly balance" or "a lategame composition of X race is unbeatable if played correctly". I'm not complaining because I love Idra and think he's gonna lose, but based of what I've (and everybody else) has seen from toss.. you can't not admit they don't have an edge if they can get to that late game. It's like saying a mech army is unkillable if it gets maxed.. that's not balance talk, that's just army strength talk.
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your Country52797 Posts
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opterown
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On March 04 2013 05:03 The_Templar wrote:
Idra 3-0
Care to make it interesting?
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On March 04 2013 05:29 kafkaesque wrote:Care to make it interesting?
If that prediction ain't interesting - I don't know what is :D
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Thought Minigun had given up on LANs :< did I miss something?
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What time does this start? I couldn't find it in the OP.
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On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about.
Because of his personality... I don't think Sniper has a huge fan base and he's certainly relevant in tournaments.
Either way, he's better than Minigun. Hope the series isn't painful to watch.
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I have this weird feeling that IdrA will take this one...
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On March 04 2013 05:42 synapse wrote:
I have this weird feeling that IdrA will take this one...
I do too. id say 3-2 idra. i think hes recently doing better mentally.
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On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about.
Yah, it's not like he 2-0'd stephano and the current Code S finalist RorO at the BWC.
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On March 04 2013 05:42 synapse wrote:
I have this weird feeling that IdrA will take this one...
this weird feeling the overwhelming favorite - based off results - is gonna win? yeah, i know that one.
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Let's be honest here. It doesn't really matter too much who wins this. Either one of them will get smashed by Life.
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On March 04 2013 05:57 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 05:42 synapse wrote:
I have this weird feeling that IdrA will take this one... this weird feeling the overwhelming favorite - based off results - is gonna win? yeah, i know that one.
Considering how strong Protoss is in HotS and how IdrA has historically sucked massive dick against P...
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On March 04 2013 05:57 xNebulous wrote:
Let's be honest here. It doesn't really matter too much who wins this. Either one of them will get smashed by Life.
I strongly disagree! ZvZ < PvZ 
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IdrA ftw! Reckon hes got this.
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On March 04 2013 05:47 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about. Yah, it's not like he 2-0'd stephano and the current Code S finalist RorO at the BWC.
That was so long ago it is nearly irrelevant now.
Predicting an IdrA victory 3-2, but doesn't really matter once he faces Life and gets smashed.
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On March 04 2013 05:47 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about. Yah, it's not like he 2-0'd stephano and the current Code S finalist RorO at the BWC.
But that was ZvZ, not ZvP.
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United States97276 Posts
Good luck IdrA
On March 04 2013 06:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 05:47 BlackPanther wrote:On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about. Yah, it's not like he 2-0'd stephano and the current Code S finalist RorO at the BWC. But that was ZvZ, not ZvP.
different matchup in a different game even
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opterown
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also only about four months ago
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On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about.
Coming from BISUdagger. Gave me a good laugh haha
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The real question here is; "Who has the better chance against Life?"
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United States97276 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:37 TheFish7 wrote:
The real question here is; "Who has the better chance against Life?"
This is a rhetorical question, right?
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Austria24422 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:29 opterown wrote:
also only about four months ago
Also Minigun beat Idra in ZvZ
I can never get enough of saying that.
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On March 04 2013 06:29 opterown wrote:
also only about four months ago
Top 8 finish in a competition without that many Koreans is pretty much his biggest accomplishment in the last 6 months, and his only top 4 finishes in the last 12 in major/premier tournaments have been tournaments with no Koreans.
He's not even deserving of the invite into the whole MLG event, let alone worth hoping that he wins.
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United States97276 Posts
I like how there are already votes for recommended games since they just leave them in the OP lol
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hope idra wins, but minigun gets in idra's head some how. Its funny because idra plays better cailbur people and is more acomplished but he loses to players who haven't achieved as much
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Whoever wins I'm just hoping for rage and trash talk :p
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On March 04 2013 06:41 Lonyo wrote:Top 8 finish in a competition without that many Koreans is pretty much his biggest accomplishment in the last 6 months, and his only top 4 finishes in the last 12 in major/premier tournaments have been tournaments with no Koreans. He's not even deserving of the invite into the whole MLG event, let alone worth hoping that he wins.
But Idra still has more tournament results, even during 2012, than Minigun does. Minigun may arguably be better, but results-wise Idra has more accomplishments
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This should be a fun LR thread
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On March 04 2013 06:35 derpface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 04:47 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't see how Idra still has such a huge fan base when he hasn't been relevant in tournaments in quite a while now. Regardless I'm hoping he advances from here so he can gain some confidence back and allow his fanboys something to cheer about. Coming from BISUdagger. Gave me a good laugh haha
Bisu is the best Protoss of all time in BW, IdrA beat Tossgirl once.
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I'm a fan of both players, but I really hope Mini takes this 3-0, jsut for the lols.
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Finished watching RSL VODs just in time for this, today is a perfect day.
Up&Down's to follow suit, Europeans won't get much sleep.
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I think ill try to read twitch´s chat, itll be funny
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United States994 Posts
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laggy? 
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Hey. Hi Adam.
Nice tournament ahead it seems.
On March 04 2013 07:07 tofubeans wrote:laggy?
Not for me at 720p.
And twitch was laggy as hell last days for me here.
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On March 04 2013 07:08 Taipoka wrote:Hey. Hi Adam. Nice tournament ahead it seems. Not for me at 720p. And twitch was laggy as hell last days for me here.
Super excited to see the bracket play out live in Dallas NEXT WEEK.
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This new MLG format makes me cry. Who the heck needs MLG to be played out like this?
All I see is opportunity taken away from the masses and practice taken away from top pros.
Sure, pros want to make more money, but if you had KeSPA pros traveling to make a cheap buck they also wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Try building your own scene's player's careers rather than providing a decent show to watch that doesn't benefit anyone in eSports except the winner.
This isn't MLG's fault and even though I'm bashing its not so straight forward. This is just eSports not moving in the right direction.
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On March 04 2013 07:10 Shinta) wrote:
This new MLG format makes me cry. Who the heck needs MLG to be played out like this?
All I see is opportunity taken away from the masses and practice taken away from top pros.
Sure, pros want to make more money, but if you had KeSPA pros traveling to make a cheap buck they also wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Try building your own scene's player's careers rather than providing a decent show to watch that doesn't benefit anyone in eSports except the winner.
This isn't MLG's fault and even though I'm bashing its not so straight forward. This is just eSports not moving in the right direction.
Maybe its just this one because of the Hots transition.
Try to think about this point of view.
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Ultra excited for this one. Minigun was like top 10 only foreigner on GM HOTS ladder at one point in time. I expect some high level foreigner action!
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is this a HotS replay or is this played in WoL live?
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On March 04 2013 07:15 nomyx wrote:
is this a HotS replay or is this played in WoL live?
It is a HotS replay.
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smart moves by chad "motherfucking" jones
//edit: killing the wrong pylon not so smart :D
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Wth is wrong with me?
Dont like idra or zerg, but im rooting for idra because
i think they overbuffed protoss.
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United States97276 Posts
Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 1?Yes (14) 52% No (13) 48% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Austria24422 Posts
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wow... not even close :-/
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This is why we watch him play.
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United Kingdom12032 Posts
haha idra gg first game.
Why would he even double time warp there, was that BM? :p
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That was a fucking perfectly timed build by minigun. Everything lined up perfectly.
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A little case of a game being fucki nretarded... 1 gate three nexus, no problem.
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Hope Minigun crushes this.
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Nothing new there, haha. Good old IdrA.
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Nice play by Minigun, he defended his fast 3rd well
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Terrible game. IdrA achieves nothing with the speedlings and then rolls over and dies. Would not recommend.
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It's the Idra everyone loves. Losing to non-Koreans and not GG-ing.
Keep on being mediocre and a "professional" Idra.
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Even if Idra holds that, Minigun just recalls, and Idra is way behind.
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Come on idra, you could have pulled back and sac third as you had 4th, he was bound on gateway tech for a big time if that attack failed :/
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cant see idra winning when toss is this broken, even against minigun
User was banned for this post.
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What's that? Toss won with a blink stalker timing attack? Was hoping HOTS would be more exciting.
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Austria24422 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:19 Topzerg wrote:
A little case of a game being fucki nretarded... 1 gate three nexus, no problem.
Says the zerg, lol. The irony
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Even off a replay the commentators are caught off guard at the speed with which IdrA rage quits.
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On March 04 2013 07:20 sitromit wrote:
Even if Idra holds that, Minigun just recalls, and Idra is way behind.
He used two time warps, no energy.
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On March 04 2013 07:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:19 Topzerg wrote:
A little case of a game being fucki nretarded... 1 gate three nexus, no problem. Says the zerg, lol. The irony
3 base toss is a bit more powerful than 3 base zerg.
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If anyone tries to defend idras play there he must be just a fan. HE DID NOTHING RIGHT! He danced his zerglings all around and then droned into gg.
He is not ready for this game, and has a bad mentality.
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Fenrax
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On March 04 2013 07:20 Lonyo wrote:
It's the Idra everyone loves. Losing to non-Koreans and not GG-ing.
Keep on being mediocre and a "professional" Idra.
From his recent results and gameplay he has to improve a lot to reach "mediocre".
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On March 04 2013 07:21 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 04 2013 07:19 Topzerg wrote:
A little case of a game being fucki nretarded... 1 gate three nexus, no problem. Says the zerg, lol. The irony 3 base toss is a bit more powerful than 3 base zerg.
Indeed it is but zerg should never ever ever ever ever ever ever complain about any race having an easy time getting to a 3 base economy.
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United States33592 Posts
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing
this is actually an improvement in GG timing
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gg still caught in the double time warp
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gotta love the fanboyism in here!
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Couldn't IdrA have just broken down those 2 pylons at the 3rd and killed the cannon pretty easily? If he runs around with the lings then they just become useless because the Protoss won't be attacking any time soon anyway.
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On March 04 2013 07:20 Serpico wrote:
What's that? Toss won with a blink stalker timing attack? Was hoping HOTS would be more exciting.
IdrA can make everything not exciting.
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i feel like im back in time, idra with roach/hydra a-moving like a proper mediocre and getting forcefielded hard as a result.
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On March 04 2013 07:21 ceaRshaf wrote:
If anyone tries to defend idras play there he must be just a fan. HE DID NOTHING RIGHT! He danced his zerglings all around and then droned into gg.
He is not ready for this game, and has a bad mentality.
Which is sad given how much he's been playing HotS.
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He should've took a crack at the 3rd imo. He invested a lot of larva into Lings early on, gotta make something happen. Worst case you get it moderately low, or waste Core energy and continue to do damage elsewhere and then keep poking.
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new expansion... same old idra
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United States97276 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:22 PulseKane wrote:
gotta love the fanboyism in here!
It's fanboy day. Idra in MLG, Stephano in GSL, Stephano in proleague
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On March 04 2013 07:22 frequency wrote:
Couldn't IdrA have just broken down those 2 pylons at the 3rd and killed the cannon pretty easily? If he runs around with the lings then they just become useless because the Protoss won't be attacking any time soon anyway.
I think he would have lost all the lings. There was a cannon and a core overhead.
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On March 04 2013 07:22 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:21 ceaRshaf wrote:
If anyone tries to defend idras play there he must be just a fan. HE DID NOTHING RIGHT! He danced his zerglings all around and then droned into gg.
He is not ready for this game, and has a bad mentality. Which is sad given how much he's been playing HotS.
No one else as been playing HOTS I guess
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that was probably a 'ragequit' only in the sense that he was pissed at himself for messing up that badly. he had 2 overseers and still couldn't defend either dt, much less the actual attack =/
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On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing
Ragequit timing*
Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead.
Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else.
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On March 04 2013 07:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:It's fanboy day. Idra in MLG, Stephano in GSL, Stephano in proleague
Holy cow, did not think of that. Gonna be a fun day !
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On March 04 2013 07:23 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:22 frequency wrote:
Couldn't IdrA have just broken down those 2 pylons at the 3rd and killed the cannon pretty easily? If he runs around with the lings then they just become useless because the Protoss won't be attacking any time soon anyway. I think he would have lost all the lings. There was a cannon and a core overhead.
yeah no way to do anything with those lings. Minigun just did pretty much everything right.
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Result of this map:
IF YOU CLICK DON'T GET MAD, SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO KNOW AHEAD
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I remember Minigun stating he is not interested in going to LAN tournaments so if he does qualify...is he actually going to go?
If so, awesome!
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On March 04 2013 07:24 Zenbrez wrote:Result of this map: IF YOU CLICK DON'T GET MAD, SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO KNOW AHEAD + Show Spoiler +
what's the point of this?
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On March 04 2013 07:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:22 PulseKane wrote:
gotta love the fanboyism in here! It's fanboy day. Idra in MLG, Stephano in GSL, Stephano in proleague Holy cow, did not think of that. Gonna be a fun day !
No fun to be had here. It also happens to be hater day as well as LR doomsday..and Moderator appreciation day...
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On March 04 2013 07:25 nkr wrote:what's the point of this?
I can give you an answer, but i think i will be banned >
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On March 04 2013 07:23 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing Ragequit timing* Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead. Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else.
Shameful invite? We invited him because of cumulative 2012 performance. Who would you recommend inviting over him based on results?
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Hey guys, maybe we'll see some airplay on this map. It's wide and open and good for airplay.
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Big map in game 2,good for zerg and probably air toss.Let's see.
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On March 04 2013 07:25 nkr wrote:what's the point of this?
Did you stop reading after the first line and decide to post? If I could know the results for the rest of the games I would like to know, so I don't have to watch the rest. Some people just like to know things, for no particular reason.
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On March 04 2013 07:27 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:23 Lonyo wrote:On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing Ragequit timing* Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead. Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else. Shameful invite? We invited him because of cumulative 2012 performance. Who would you recommend inviting over him based on results?
ignore the trolls, it will bring you no happiness.
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On March 04 2013 07:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 04 2013 07:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:22 PulseKane wrote:
gotta love the fanboyism in here! It's fanboy day. Idra in MLG, Stephano in GSL, Stephano in proleague Holy cow, did not think of that. Gonna be a fun day ! No fun to be had here. It also happens to be hater day as well as LR doomsday..and Moderator appreciation day...
Maybe it'll work out, probably depends on results.
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On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing
this is actually an improvement in GG timing
Haha I didn't even think about that.
2008 Idra would have left as soon as he got matched up against toss :p
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Don't feed the trolls, Adam. They follow IdrA around a lot, but they are docile without food.
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On March 04 2013 07:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:It's fanboy day. Idra in MLG, Stephano in GSL, Stephano in proleague
Stephano plays today? This is going to be good.
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Minigun is kinda bad with timewarps today.
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On March 04 2013 07:29 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:22 PulseKane wrote:
gotta love the fanboyism in here! It's fanboy day. Idra in MLG, Stephano in GSL, Stephano in proleague Stephano plays today? This is going to be good.
2 LRs with stephano. Priceless day
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I must admit, that must be annoying as hell for zerg.
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Recall is very sexy, but I'm honestly surprised it's on the MsCore. I would expect it would be on a nexus.
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Minigun confirmed to have no soul?
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On March 04 2013 07:32 nomyx wrote:
Recall is very sexy, but I'm honestly surprised it's on the MsCore. I would expect it would be on a nexus.
It would be imba on nexus.
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IdrA could have made a better flank there from the back rather than taking on the army up front.
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Why would you stay on roach hydra ling vs 2 base toss. WTF is this, 2011?
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nope, soul never loses -_~
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What a surprise, Idra is still Idra. :p
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not sure he was laughing out loud
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minigun floating 1400 minerals in a 2base allin... didnt matter
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Is Idra retarted or something. He's so passive and scared. He had that game
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On March 04 2013 07:34 ceaRshaf wrote:
lol
I second that notion ^_^
That's the IdrA we love :D
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I knew I'd enjoy staying up
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On March 04 2013 07:34 KiWiKaKi wrote:
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Indeed, COME BACK MY LOVE!
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yep,exactly what i expected
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2011 battle with hydra speed and mothership core
same results
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Well now I'm hopping for a 3-2 just for more potential for BM. Good showing from Minigun so far.
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LOL
Don't think it's worth staying up to watch what is likely to be the last game of this best of 5.
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Ummm....can't believe that just happened, haha.
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lol indeed. So many forcefields, timewarp. And.. Well, whats the solution here?
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Idra is so mad lol D:
Feels like there wasn't anything he could have done, probably should have teched or something.
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lol..Idra just can't get that protoss monkey off his back
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If at first your all-in fails, recall, all-in again.
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That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke.
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Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in.
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LOL: is it the new "gg"? This and more in the MLG Winter Showdown.
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I love how Idra just keeps a-moving into forcefields. Its fucking awesome.
On the other hand, i can understand his frustration about how good FF works..
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On March 04 2013 07:34 BakedButters wrote:
Is Idra retarted or something. He's so passive and scared. He had that game
I like this post
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Roach-Hydra is still bad against colossus and FF. Who would have thought?
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Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow.
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Except for the core this is basically wol.
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On March 04 2013 07:34 KiWiKaKi wrote:
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
^
Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
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man i wished for some good games but those are complete shit
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Wanted to tune in to see some kewl hots action, but still same old protoss/zerg stuff.
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2 years later he is still losing in the same fashion
kinda funny
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This is predictably disappointing. A shame, really.
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time for a new "IMBALANCED" episode
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imagine if this was idra vs. cruncher. the drama alone would be enough
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This is so silly. But it's IdrA so the world will watch.
IdrA might be making a point to David Kim, trying to get P nerfed at release.
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well i'm not so sure what idra was supposed to do there. i don't know shit about this matchup, just saying i personally don't see it. i guess he could've engaged a bit better but i'm not so sure that would've changed the results.
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Idra hasn't improved one bit against Protoss since 2011.
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Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting.
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If idra would just have kept one ling in the middle he could have seen the push earlier and could have prepare, really rookie mistake
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On March 04 2013 07:35 Qikz wrote:
Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in.
I don't think Idra ever scouted the Colossus he never built a single corruptor.
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I'm getting the good old WoL beta vibes here. Good times.
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On March 04 2013 07:35 GunSec wrote:
14k viewers now :D
Wow. Was not paying attention to this.
Kinda impressive.
That´s just because of idra?
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On March 04 2013 07:35 Qikz wrote:
Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in.
Can't stop that temptation to 1a your whole army back to your base to deal with 4 zealots.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 ceaRshaf wrote:
Except for the core this is basically wol.
Except it's completely different
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On March 04 2013 07:35 GunSec wrote:
14k viewers now :D
And people wonder why Idra was invited :p
The people love a spectacle
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On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow.
Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Ghanburighan wrote:
This is so silly. But it's IdrA so the world will watch.
IdrA might be making a point to David Kim, trying to get P nerfed at release.
Might help if he played worth a shit and didn't leave the game up 20 supply.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
Its all-in. But not if it doesn't go your way, then you simply recall back.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
Agreed -- there's basically zero risk to a protoss player to push out against a zerg. If your sentries run out of energy, no problem! Just recall home
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On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting.
Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps
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On March 04 2013 07:35 Qikz wrote:
Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in.
why do you speak when you have no clue? :/ it was an allin in every sense of the word
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Is there a single reason why protoss shouldn't make timing attacks now in HotS with the recall ability? There is 0% chance it's going to fail and the zerg has to react in case it's the real deal. Weird.
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I'm making a point to David Kim... I used to pay for every events in HD, now I only watch free stuff and never make time for it, it fits or I don't watch. I'd rather see this game die than stay in this stupid deathball state.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
imagine if this was idra vs. cruncher. the drama alone would be enough
oh god I'd kill to see that again in HotS.
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Didn't EG get IdrA a sports psychologist?
Minigun did a lot of things wrong though, these losses reflect more on IdrA than on Minigun.
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haha Idra....getting completely outplayed by someone you consider "lesser than you." Idra....if you reduce your ego you might be able to stand a chance against low class foreigners :D
Minigun playing like a pro
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
It's almost ludicrous. It allows to make terrible positioning mistakes and come out unscathed. They already have plenty of space control spells with FF and time warp but the recall allows them to mess up both of those spells and still be fine.
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On March 04 2013 07:11 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:10 Shinta) wrote:
This new MLG format makes me cry. Who the heck needs MLG to be played out like this?
All I see is opportunity taken away from the masses and practice taken away from top pros.
Sure, pros want to make more money, but if you had KeSPA pros traveling to make a cheap buck they also wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Try building your own scene's player's careers rather than providing a decent show to watch that doesn't benefit anyone in eSports except the winner.
This isn't MLG's fault and even though I'm bashing its not so straight forward. This is just eSports not moving in the right direction. Maybe its just this one because of the Hots transition. Try to think about this point of view.
From that point of view what in saying is amplified.
You have all these players who were ready to debut their HotS skills against the WoL pros who maybe haven't trained enough or who haven't had as much success with HotS. These are opportunities for teams to look at new HotS player and could help build new sc2 careers.
The only way to look at this tournament and make sense of it is from a business point of view. MLG gets more viewers this way, and eSports dies a little. (Not to be taken as is eSports is #DYING, because it's not).
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Taipoka wrote:Wow. Was not paying attention to this. Kinda impressive. That´s just because of idra?
I'm going to say It's mostly because currently this is the only place you can watch new HotS content until release now that the beta is down. That and It's a sunday in NA with two popular NA players playing.
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The way minigun executed that, it did seem like there's no answer to all that (as a protoss I even sometimes see FFs and get annoyed, lack of micro or whatever). But maybe if idra didn't try to use that composition and remain passive for so long lol :S
Grrr, I want to see some hots units! :D
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On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly.
It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again.
There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast.
There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game.
Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
Everything that makes Idra rage is good for the scene!
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:35 Qikz wrote:
Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in. I don't think Idra ever scouted the Colossus he never built a single corruptor.
The spire was building when the attack hit.
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IdrA had a huge lead right after that attack on the third was swatted away, but he failed to capitalize on the moving out of Minigun and let him get in a perfect position. Doesn't help that IdrA decided to take on the Protoss army straight on with Roach/Hydra against three Colossi, which nullifies Hydras.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting.
Rise of the Patch Protoss!?
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Bagration wrote:And people wonder why Idra was invited :p The people love a spectacle
So IdrA is basically the Michael Bay of SC2 ?
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Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?
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IdrA getting protossed since 2008. I remember him whining about sc1 protoss too
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why doesn't zerg just 2 base all-in?
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"You gotta be wondering what his mental state is" Not really :D
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On March 04 2013 07:39 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly. It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again. There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast. There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game. Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason.
Perhaps I wasn't paying enough attention (I missed the fist five minutes or so) and haven't seen the new PvZ meta enough, so I thought the Immortal-Sentry bit was all-in. I agree with you about the contain. He could have set up a beautiful arc at the bottom of the ramp and in the choke, and he could have contained Minigun on two bases for quite a while.
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On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?
People seem to forget that now toss can actually attack without either just winning the game or losing instantly. :/
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Idra should of set up a choke point ouside Mini's base, force him to stay 2 base. If he moves out just guirilla fight to waste mana on sentries while he can continue to position his army for good concave. Instead he chokes himself in his own base
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On March 04 2013 07:27 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:23 Lonyo wrote:On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing Ragequit timing* Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead. Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else. Shameful invite? We invited him because of cumulative 2012 performance. Who would you recommend inviting over him based on results?
Someone who can act like a professional, for starters.
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On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?
It was still at least cheese because Idra was waaaaaaaay ahead when Minigun had to recall. Probe production is cut, tech is cut. Idra just played fucking terrible. He didn't tech, he didn't expand, he did nothing but mass a unit composition that's the worst against the most obvious followup. And then he typed "lol" and left.
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On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps
Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often).
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I don't think people understand. Idra had to cut everything to get out the units to stop the allin, which he crushed. but he didnt get to kill it off because of recall and from that point he wasn't able to transition into an anti death ball composition in time. His only chance was a good mid map engagement.
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On March 04 2013 07:40 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:37 Bagration wrote:On March 04 2013 07:35 GunSec wrote:
14k viewers now :D And people wonder why Idra was invited :p The people love a spectacle So IdrA is basically the Michael Bay of SC2 ?
Right now, there are more than 14k viewers, which is significantly more than the other broadcasts. And this is despite the fact that the level of play here is much lower than the level that some of the Koreans showed (though the Korean games were quite cheesy). Nothing like a good grudgematch to draw viewers
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On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in?
Because minigun shouldn't have had an army. If this was WOL, it would have been an immortal sentry all-in by definition. In HotS, every all-in Protoss does is now essentially a timing attack thanks to recall.
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On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke.
it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[
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On March 04 2013 07:40 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Rise of the Patch Protoss!?
expansion toss. Kind of stupid how the MSc pops up with 3 abilities, no upgrade needed.
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Ya know, I was soooooooo waiting for the forge first.
He definitely has soul. In more ways than one.
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On March 04 2013 07:38 Topzerg wrote:
I'm making a point to David Kim... I used to pay for every events in HD, now I only watch free stuff and never make time for it, it fits or I don't watch. I'd rather see this game die than stay in this stupid deathball state.
but it wasn't a maxed death ball, it was 120 supply death ball twice. That's 240 supply, and that's horrible
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Recall is soooooo imbalance. Toss will never get punished for all-in anymore.
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On March 04 2013 07:42 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:27 MLG_Adam wrote:On March 04 2013 07:23 Lonyo wrote:On March 04 2013 07:21 Waxangel wrote:
2011 IdrA could have left the game when the DTs entered his base, and it wouldn't have been a surprising GG timing Ragequit timing* Honestly I think it's pretty shameful MLG invited him at all to play in these qualifiers. Should have invited someone worthwhile instead. Obviously they invited him because he's popular, but it's a shame that they waste a spot on him rather than someone more deserving, like... anyone else. Shameful invite? We invited him because of cumulative 2012 performance. Who would you recommend inviting over him based on results? Someone who can act like a professional, for starters.
if you look at the upper right hand corner on the stream - you might catch the ~14,5k viewers
I would say he is bringing in viewers like a pro.
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On March 04 2013 07:41 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in? People seem to forget that now toss can actually attack without either just winning the game or losing instantly. :/
No, you seem to have a problem understanding that the Immortal Sentry all-in has lost nothing from its strength, has only gained, but is no longer all-in. Even Protoss players admitted that it might be a bit too strong in WoL, but justified it saying Zerg's late game advantage made it fair that Protoss had such a strong all-in.
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On March 04 2013 07:42 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:40 nomyx wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Rise of the Patch Protoss!? expansion toss. Kind of stupid how the MSc pops up with 3 abilities, no upgrade needed.
It's a hero unit :D
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On March 04 2013 07:42 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often).
I've seen zergs using swarmhosts and vipers effectively. vipers and Ultras in ZvT and swarmhosts in ZvP
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On March 04 2013 07:42 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often).
The thing is, with Hydras, Roaches and Lings (Hydras if you actually build a lair before you get your third base, which also isn't all in by the way) deal with pretty much all the early stuff on their own. There was nothing they could add to zerg which gives them anything new early game. It wasn't needed.
Terrans however needed better defense early game as opening mech vs toss was really hard to do and Protoss needed a way to attack with units without it being instantly all in as they left their bases.
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On March 04 2013 07:43 GoldenGun wrote:
Recall is soooooo imbalance. Toss will never get punished for all-in anymore.
Witch is good since zergs cannot expand and drone to death and worry only for an all in to win. Protoss now really has options. But I guess that is bad right?
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On March 04 2013 07:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 Loxley wrote:On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often). I've seen zergs using swarmhosts and vipers effectively. vipers and Ultras in ZvT and swarmhosts in ZvP
Yeah im not saying the new units suck or anything, (haven't played it yet). But it really doesnt belong to early game composition apparently.. Most of the Zerg games I see being streamed are exclusive WoL (upgraded) units.
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On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[
he was making a spire.
And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army.
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On March 04 2013 07:39 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly. It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again. There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast. There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game. Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason.
I agree that it wasn't an all in, and I think that that demonstrates a problem with recall. Without recall, he probably would have lost all of his units after the failed push, which would have basically forced him into an all in. However, with recall, he could easily switch back to probe production because very single unit from his first push was still alive.
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On March 04 2013 07:42 SiguR wrote:
I don't think people understand. Idra had to cut everything to get out the units to stop the allin, which he crushed. but he didnt get to kill it off because of recall and from that point he wasn't able to transition into an anti death ball composition in time. His only chance was a good mid map engagement.
If he crushed it then he over committed to defense. Idra was ahead by over 40 supply at that point. When someone recalls it gives you time to mass more units. If you don't know another push is coming and aren't already transitioning then you fail.
Everyone knows what is coming, the fact that he over committed to stop the first push is totally on him.
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On March 04 2013 07:45 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[ he was making a spire. And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army.
Idra made a spire when 3 colossi were killing all his hydras, roaches and lings. None of which you want vs colossi.
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On March 04 2013 07:45 Waxangel wrote:
report player bashing and balance whine so I can ban more ppl
Will you be attending the Stephano vs Lure match LR? probably your best shot at bans today if Lure pulls it off
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On March 04 2013 07:46 pak150 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:39 Qikz wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly. It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again. There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast. There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game. Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason. I agree that it wasn't an all in, and I think that that demonstrates a problem with recall. Without recall, he probably would have lost all of his units after the failed push, which would have basically forced him into an all in. However, with recall, he could easily switch back to probe production because very single unit from his first push was still alive.
How long does it take for recall to take you back home? 3 in-game seconds? 2?
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On March 04 2013 07:43 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:41 Qikz wrote:On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in? People seem to forget that now toss can actually attack without either just winning the game or losing instantly. :/ No, you seem to have a problem understanding that the Immortal Sentry all-in has lost nothing from its strength, has only gained, but is no longer all-in. Even Protoss players admitted that it might be a bit too strong in WoL, but justified it saying Zerg's late game advantage made it fair that Protoss had such a strong all-in.
AKA bad design justifying bad design
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On March 04 2013 07:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:45 Waxangel wrote:
report player bashing and balance whine so I can ban more ppl Will you be attending the Stephano vs Lure match LR? probably your best shot at bans today if Lure pulls it off
Oh that's true, Lure has great PvZ
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On March 04 2013 07:45 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[ he was making a spire. And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army.
ok.. cool? lol that has nothing to do with what i said
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On March 04 2013 07:46 pak150 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:39 Qikz wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly. It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again. There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast. There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game. Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason. I agree that it wasn't an all in, and I think that that demonstrates a problem with recall. Without recall, he probably would have lost all of his units after the failed push, which would have basically forced him into an all in. However, with recall, he could easily switch back to probe production because very single unit from his first push was still alive.
Would making recall take longer from cast to warping back to base fix this problem? Perhaps twice the time or something?
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On March 04 2013 07:46 pak150 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:39 Qikz wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote:
Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly. It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again. There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast. There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game. Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason. I agree that it wasn't an all in, and I think that that demonstrates a problem with recall. Without recall, he probably would have lost all of his units after the failed push, which would have basically forced him into an all in. However, with recall, he could easily switch back to probe production because very single unit from his first push was still alive.
Reminds me of TP scrolls from war3
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I don't think Recall was that big of an issue in that game. IdrA was fairly safe off three bases, and Minigun was stuck on two with no real intention to take a third. Minigun did save the core of his army, but when it was deflected, IdrA was up a good number in supply, like around 40-50. If IdrA took a better engagement, he still had a chance of winning.
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On March 04 2013 07:45 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:42 Loxley wrote:On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often). I've seen zergs using swarmhosts and vipers effectively. vipers and Ultras in ZvT and swarmhosts in ZvP Yeah im not saying the new units suck or anything, (haven't played it yet). But it really doesnt belong to early game composition apparently.. Most of the Zerg games I see being streamed are exclusive WoL (upgraded) units.
One thing that's nice is the hatch tech OL speed means you're less likely to be surprised, but yea Zerg could use a bit more early options besides burrow.
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On March 04 2013 07:44 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 Loxley wrote:On March 04 2013 07:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote:
Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps Im so sad, I don't have the beta but every stream I watch has loads of widow mines, mothership cores, hellbats, boosting medvacs etc etc. And the only thing as a zerg player I see being used often is the speed upgrade for hydra's.. I won't whine about balance, just the fact i was really looking forward to use some new units in my mix. Early on, not late game (which I don't reach often). The thing is, with Hydras, Roaches and Lings (Hydras if you actually build a lair before you get your third base, which also isn't all in by the way) deal with pretty much all the early stuff on their own. There was nothing they could add to zerg which gives them anything new early game. It wasn't needed. Terrans however needed better defense early game as opening mech vs toss was really hard to do and Protoss needed a way to attack with units without it being instantly all in as they left their bases.
Great post, thanks for your insight! I understand the reasoning better, and know its a balance game where you just can't add flavor units. But still, having playing hundreds of games with zerg, I would love to change up the first 10min of a game
Edit: And to the poster above; Didn't know that! I'll have to watch much more closely to Hots games before it actually comes out apparently.
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recall has nothing to do in a game like sc2
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The free hatchery snipes are really silly. Basically, zergs now have to kill armies away from any buildings.
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Wow, Idra is STILL trying to use ling roach hydra. Not sure about that D:
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Mothership core obviously needs a limit on the number of units it can recall.
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On March 04 2013 07:48 nkr wrote:
recall has nothing to do in a game like sc2
But Jaehoon plays SC2
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Deathball incoming, fun fun fun!!!!
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On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[
Lets pretend this is WOL and there is no recall. Minigun's army is essentially fucked. IdrA has the counter composition, a larger army size, and a full surround. Minigun wouldn't have any substantial army to follow through with a proper winning secondary all-in. When the second all-in came, Minigun still had most of his immortals and sentries from the first allin plus a bunch of collossi which fucks over the hydra tech. My issue is that protoss can commit to these semi-allins or all-ins and not be punished very hard for doing so.
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Just kidding, he's getting vipers. Looks like things might get interesting. Still annoyed by the lack of hots units though =P
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On March 04 2013 07:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:48 nkr wrote:
recall has nothing to do in a game like sc2 But Jaehoon plays SC2
I can't wait for him to screw up a recall in HotS, oh the puns.
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The soul train IMO in WoL only worked as standard zerg openings were 3 base no gas openings. Had zergs opened with hydras more (like Life did to Parting this GSL) it completely countered the soul train as the forcefields/immortals didn't actually do any bonus damage.
Opening 3 base roach is completely countered by immortals purely on their range and how strong immortals are against roaches. Had 2 base lair openings into third bases been more standard, I think the soul train never would have been as strong.
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On March 04 2013 07:42 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
Minigun had tech, money, a recalled great army and 2 saturated bases. How was that an all in? Because minigun shouldn't have had an army. If this was WOL, it would have been an immortal sentry all-in by definition. In HotS, every all-in Protoss does is now essentially a timing attack thanks to recall.
And you think that's a problem because?
In WoL zerg could 6pool and transition into a macro game. Were you crying back then? Cause it tends to be KINDA worse.
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On March 04 2013 07:44 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:43 GoldenGun wrote:
Recall is soooooo imbalance. Toss will never get punished for all-in anymore. Witch is good since zergs cannot expand and drone to death and worry only for an all in to win. Protoss now really has options. But I guess that is bad right?
You dont make any sense . If a Zerg doesnt play safe he will get punished by a 2 or 3 base all in .
But now even If he plays safely and is about to crush the all in, the Protoss is just going to recall .
And dont forget that in HOTS Zergs do not have the advantage in late game anymore .
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Idra has a bad comp to fight the protoss. Really...
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On March 04 2013 07:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:45 Waxangel wrote:
report player bashing and balance whine so I can ban more ppl Will you be attending the Stephano vs Lure match LR? probably your best shot at bans today if Lure pulls it off Oh that's true, Lure has great PvZ
Lure's my favorite protoss player. He does some very sexy gate-core-nexus expands.
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On March 04 2013 07:45 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[ he was making a spire. And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army.
His spire timing was a reaction to the colossus as it waltzed into the third, it wasn't even complete yet. And he never got another overlord in minigun's base to see the transition, which is textbook. On that map he would have AT LEAST forced another recall if not taken an effective engage if he had the tower like TT1 was saying.
Having said that though it was allin, through and through. You look at that in WoL and anyone would say 2 base allin. Just because you have recall and keep getting upgrades doesn't mean staying on 2 bases at 15min is viable for a macro game. He did it because of the map, ye. Still allin...
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On March 04 2013 07:48 Aerisky wrote:
Wow, Idra is STILL trying to use ling roach hydra. Not sure about that D:
And what do you want him to use? You need to open roaches vs protoss or you die to some zealot all-ins, then swarmhost is too late for any of the all-ins and infestors got nerfed pretty badly(especially infested terrans) so vs P there is no point in making them. He's forced to do roach/hydra, especially cause of flying msc.
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On March 04 2013 07:45 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[ he was making a spire. And if it wasn't for recall he would of lost his whole army.
If it wasn't for recall he might not have put himself in that position.
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Hyun told idra about those vipers : CONTROL
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Idra is really bad at engagements lol
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On March 04 2013 07:49 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:48 nkr wrote:
recall has nothing to do in a game like sc2 But Jaehoon plays SC2 I can't wait for him to screw up a recall in HotS, oh the puns.
Holy shit this made my night.
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Idra has ninety-two harvesters O_O
Sooo many workers, maybe a bit too many lol.
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On March 04 2013 07:49 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:42 ROOTT1 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:35 BlackPanther wrote:
That was fucking stupid. Minigun all-in'd and failed and he can just recall and save his army from annihilation. What a joke. it was a semi-allin because he didnt commit to the attack once he saw the hydras. fortunately idra doesnt have a brain so he didnt scout for a robo bay while the attack was going on, had he done that he could have teched to hive much sooner and would have had vipers out in time for his 2base collo allin. he assumed minigun was commiting to the immo allin so he kept making units blindly and got punished for it :[ Lets pretend this is WOL and there is no recall. Minigun's army is essentially fucked. IdrA has the counter composition, a larger army size, and a full surround. Minigun wouldn't have any substantial army to follow through with a proper winning secondary all-in. When the second all-in came, Minigun still had most of his immortals and sentries from the first allin plus a bunch of collossi which fucks over the hydra tech. My issue is that protoss can commit to these semi-allins or all-ins and not be punished very hard for doing so.
had it been wol minigun wouldnt have been sitting underneath his ramp like that, the only reason he did that was because he had recall and wanted to scare idra into making more units so he could transition into a 2base collo allin. and had it been wol idra wouldnt have had a freewin if he reacted properly to what minigun was doing. he essentially had a b.o win if he scouted properly
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minigun has all his army on one hotkey with the exception of the MsC :/
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Idra is not bad at engagements but there is no real way for zerg to engage vs protoss, it was already hard in WoL cause of forcefields and now MSC makes it even harder. Vipers are ofcourse good up to the point when templars enter the battle, then they become useless cause feedbacks are instant.
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Why isnt Minigun building Voidrays ? doesnt he want to win ?
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So Protoss deathball beats everything that is not Broodlord Infestor? Wow I really didn't know that.
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Idra, abduct the MScore so he can't recall
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At least IdrA's composition this game is more suited against Minigun's army. Problem is, engagements are still a problem for IdrA. When IdrA asked HyuN how to play ZvP, HyuN told him Hydras were the solution. When IdrA said they don't work well, HyuN said good engagements make them useful again.
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Dang, finally a pretty good game. Map is split!
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On March 04 2013 07:53 Dyme wrote:
So Protoss deathball beats everything that is not Broodlord Infestor? Wow I really didn't know that.
with Vipers roach/hydra/ultra can be really good, you don't need bl/infestor.
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6 evo chambers in production. New metagame ?
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I really like Abduct as an anti-force field.
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Idra's going to lose this. He's remaxing on full ultras and he's letting Minigun get the right counter.
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On March 04 2013 07:55 Boucot wrote:
6 evo chambers in production. New metagame ?
Not really, I've seen many Zergs like DRG and HyuN do the same thing.
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Blinding Cloud
Blinding cloud now reduces the AI of affected units to dragoon.
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abduct fits better in a moba game than in a rts one, it looks so silly on the screen
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Just wondering, why do Zergs consume Vipers to full energy? Wouldn't be better to cap at 100 energy so you don't get instant KO by feedback?
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On March 04 2013 07:55 Boucot wrote:
6 evo chambers in production. New metagame ?
cheap building with a bunch of health for viper regen. lots of zergs are doing it now
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OK, that's literally the first time I've seen ultras give a fuck in a pro game in HotS.
This should be over at this point, Mini's econ is trash.
edit: nvm LOL. CHAD MOTHERFUCKIN JONES!
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On March 04 2013 07:56 Badfatpanda wrote:
OK, that's literally the first time I've seen ultras give a fuck in a pro game in HotS.
This should be over at this point, Mini's econ is trash.
It may be trash, but he's constantly remaxing on ultras and not attacking.
He's letting Minigun get air and immortals.
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On March 04 2013 07:56 Badfatpanda wrote:
OK, that's literally the first time I've seen ultras give a fuck in a pro game in HotS.
This should be over at this point, Mini's econ is trash.
idno bro, it's air + storm now
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On March 04 2013 07:56 ssxsilver wrote:
Just wondering, why do Zergs consume Vipers to full energy? Wouldn't be better to cap at 100 energy so you don't get instant KO by feedback?
Probably the same reason Terrans keep cloak on banshees even if they're not around enemy units. They're not thinking.
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Idra: "if you're having money problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 workers and you've been outdone."
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 3?Yes (14) 58% No (10) 42% 24 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 4?No (10) 56% Yes (8) 44% 18 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 4? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 5?No (10) 56% Yes (8) 44% 18 total votes Your vote: Recommend Idra vs Minigun Game 5? (Vote): Yes
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On March 04 2013 07:56 ssxsilver wrote:
Just wondering, why do Zergs consume Vipers to full energy? Wouldn't be better to cap at 100 energy so you don't get instant KO by feedback?
200 energy gives you a blinding cloud and an abduct.
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HAHAAAHA IDRA IS BACK IN 2013. Omg I thought he became good for a sec there.
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Idra threw that away. I can't believe he did that.
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At the end of the day pew pew void rays solve everything. That gg though
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What a goddamned clown. I'm so sick of this guy's attitude.
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Wait WHAT?!
He had a huge bank :O
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lol - I think IdrA saw an illusion somewhere in that Minigun army...
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RARARARARA-RAAAAGE QUIT!!!!
gg minigun :D showing ur still better than idra
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Went as expected... Grats Minigun!
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HAHA idra only having like 8 hydras to kill voidrays
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Hilarious.
"In this game, Idra is doing fantastically!"
Idra proceeds to lose.
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wtf idra... he just didn't even want to play -.- why did i stay up to watch this... oh well it only took an hour
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Same old Idra, hasn't changed in 3 years.
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH
CLASSIC IDRA
hehehe
gg well played for minigun!
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lmfao...wtf was that....
Fucking Idra xD
I still like him though, but not for quality gameplay, lol
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lol axslav not having a clue, it was over with that ammount of upgraded void rays still alive
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LOL I have to thank myself for staying up. I enjoyed that.
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oh god. i was about to say this is a beautiful game. then the gracken left.
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On March 04 2013 07:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:55 Boucot wrote:
6 evo chambers in production. New metagame ? cheap building with a bunch of health for viper regen. lots of zergs are doing it now
Ah thanks, didn't think about it. The only viable option in my mind was for surrounding the greater spire (to not let it getting killed by zealots).
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guys, he was losing that game tt
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Why is Idra being paid to play this game exactly?
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i hope i get no ban for this flame but idra is a pussy
"OH I TRADE EVEN ... fuck this game p is imba i am out fuck you all"
he plays BAD i mean he plays BAD! its not pvz is broken is HE is broken ... mindbroken
On March 04 2013 07:58 nkr wrote:
guys, he was losing that game tt
both 150 and he have +1 base, rebuild on corrupters and hyds, but jaeh he was idiotic build not enough hydras, stand in storm, make bad viper use, make bad attack 1 side ETC ETC
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 HuKPOWA wrote:
RARARARARA-RAAAAGE QUIT!!!!
gg minigun :D showing ur still better than idra
your posts are so good
how are you so good at posting
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gsl in 3 hours 10 minutes
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Empirimancer wrote:
Same old Idra, hasn't changed in 3 years.
he has changed.... in skill
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Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left.
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the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
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Making voidrays, useful talent toi have.
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Haha why does he even play anymore.
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Seriously? Its been years and idra still never learns. Its just sad to watch him play and leave a game when he has 2k+1k+ with better mining going on could def have remaxed and pushed
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they should resume from replay and win for Idra : D
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ahahahaha idra
i want to know his thoughts on hots protoss.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Dragar wrote:
Hilarious.
"In this game, Idra is doing fantastically!"
Idra proceeds to lose.
Caster bias because they are scared to death of saying anything even remotely perceived as negative because of Idra's fanboys. It gets really bad sometimes.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 CoR wrote:
i hope i get no ban for this flame but idra is a pussy
"OH I TRADE EVEN ... fuck this game p is imba i am out fuck you all"
he plays BAD i mean he plays BAD! its not pvz is broken is HE is broken ... mindbroken
That wasn't even at all. Idra was going to lose the game regardless.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left.
No mental strength, as usual.
That was hilarious.
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Idra's time with that sports coach is really paying off
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Ranir wrote:
the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
IdrA had 2.5k minerals and 1.5k gas against minigun,s 335 minerals and 700 gas? How was the game over for IdrA?
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Idra apparently hasn't gotten over his fear of void rays.
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Hahaha. Congrats Minigun! Thanks for the show!
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IdrA probably overestimated how much he lost and the army size of Minigun. IdrA's bank was pretty good, and remaxing on another army was possible in his situation. Minigun's economy was pretty shattered, but he could only sustain so many losses before IdrA would just overrun him.
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Idra has such a fucking pathetic attitude about the game. I know he doesn't enjoy the game, he probably just plays for money but still. Surprised EG tolerates so much of his bullshit.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Topzerg wrote:
lol axslav not having a clue, it was over with that ammount of upgraded void rays still alive
Axslav beat IdrA in their last meeting. Are you sure it isn't IdrA that has no clue? He could've remaxed on a bunch of Hydras to kill the voids
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Great play by Minigun!
T'would be awesome if some pros could use that replay takeover function on this game.
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Weird. Just powering forward, through every storm, getting infestors killed and the vipers. Lost motivation, poof. ragequit.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Qikz wrote:
Idra threw that away. I can't believe he did that.
Your analysis has been off all three games. Compare your statements to most P and Z in this thread.
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Idra doing what is expected......
Gotta admit hes a terrible player but he gives the fans what they want......
Right isn't this why people like him so much? Cause he just leaves a game he has a chance in to preserve his bad boy attitude
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It's 2011 all over again boys
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Damnit Idra I wanted to see that played out
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Hard to be an Idra fan. What a disappointing performance :/
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On March 04 2013 07:59 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:58 Dragar wrote:
Hilarious.
"In this game, Idra is doing fantastically!"
Idra proceeds to lose. Caster bias because they are scared to death of saying anything even remotely perceived as negative because of Idra's fanboys. It gets really bad sometimes.
Bias? Do you even play SC2?
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On March 04 2013 07:59 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:58 Dragar wrote:
Hilarious.
"In this game, Idra is doing fantastically!"
Idra proceeds to lose. Caster bias because they are scared to death of saying anything even remotely perceived as negative because of Idra's fanboys. It gets really bad sometimes.
lol wat
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Oh man. Can't wait to hear him cry about imba for the next 3 weeks.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left.
Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs.
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I don't think Idra could remax on anything with a build time fast enough to stop Minigun crippling him.
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On March 04 2013 07:58 KadaverBB wrote: Kind of want to see Idra at Dallas. Better win now
... minigun just won 3-0, no other games
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On March 04 2013 07:59 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:58 Ranir wrote:
the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
IdrA had 2.5k minerals and 1.5k gas against minigun,s 335 minerals and 700 gas? How was the game over for IdrA?
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5 base vs 5 base, storm + air
have you ever played a zvp in hots?
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not surprising at all
minigun fighting
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On March 04 2013 08:00 Waxangel wrote:
nice storms ^^
you mean, BEAUTIFUL STORMS!
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Like every single HotS PvZ I've seen has been disappointing, I just can't get excited for this, it's either a stomp one way or another or a macro game that looks like BL/infestor only the other way around with turtle void ray/HT/robo combos.
This isn't balance whine, it's just that it looks boring to me.
Anyway, I don't think Minigun will make it past Life, Life might just be able to kill him with early pools and his lings alone. He could do that to anyone, really. :D
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EG publicity stunt.
"Sup guys, we can't win, but we can still make news in other ways!!"
Anyways, hope America can avoid getting bodied at Dallas.
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I will say I don't like recall on the mothership core, protoss can do whatever they want without consequences.
Guess I'll wait a few weeks maybe people will know how to play hots by then.
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On March 04 2013 08:00 Dodgin wrote:
It's 2011 all over again boys
Idra was good in 2011. He's definitely not good now :p
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On March 04 2013 08:00 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:59 Integra wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Ranir wrote:
the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
IdrA had 2.5k minerals and 1.5k gas against minigun,s 335 minerals and 700 gas? How was the game over for IdrA? ¨ 5 base vs 5 base, storm + air have you ever played a zvp in hots?
IdrA had 6 bases
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Idra didn't even try to retreat his spellcasters in that engagement. He could have saved 4 infestor and 5 vipers and repopulated his army and fought from an even position but it's like as soon as the battle wasn't going to be a complete sweep for him he just quit. It's kind of sad this sort of thing is expected from Idra.
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On March 04 2013 08:01 StarVe wrote:
Like every single HotS PvZ I've seen has been disappointing, I just can't get excited for this, it's either a stomp one way or another or a macro game that looks like BL/infestor only the other way around with turtle void ray/HT/robo combos.
Anyway, I don't think Minigun will make it past Life, Life might just be able to kill him with early pools and his lings alone. He could do that to anyone, really. :D
I thought Goswser vs Caliber was pretty good. Got to see a lot of SH action
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game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning
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On March 04 2013 08:00 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:58 Topzerg wrote:
lol axslav not having a clue, it was over with that ammount of upgraded void rays still alive Axslav beat IdrA in their last meeting. Are you sure it isn't IdrA that has no clue? He could've remaxed on a bunch of Hydras to kill the voids
rofl, have you even played hots at all? did you forget about storms owning hydras easily?
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On March 04 2013 08:00 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:58 Qikz wrote:
Idra threw that away. I can't believe he did that. Your analysis has been off all three games. Compare your statements to most P and Z in this thread.
Idra was sitting there remaxing on mainly ultras against a voidray, immortal, templar army. He then sat in psi-storms with his hydras and did little to nothing with his vipers. He also had a massive bank and a base advantage. Even after the engagement he was up in supply and Mini was on the backfoot. He could have built another army (which was almost done) and attacked straight again before he had a bunch of storms again and just won.
I literally do not understand how my analysis is off when I'm saying exactly what was happening.
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IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play
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On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs.
But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG).
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Glad Minigun won though, he is beast, like Top 50 GM HotS. Glad he is doing well competitively again!
On March 04 2013 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play
Haha they are probably like, who the hell is this random Chilean on Incredible Miracle?!
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On March 04 2013 08:00 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:59 Integra wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Ranir wrote:
the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
IdrA had 2.5k minerals and 1.5k gas against minigun,s 335 minerals and 700 gas? How was the game over for IdrA? ¨ 5 base vs 5 base, storm + air have you ever played a zvp in hots?
He was behind perhaps, but it was still a game he could have recovered from. Boxer once said that even if there is only a 1% chance of winning, he will fight for it, because if he can grab that win, that 1% chance turns into a 100% victory.
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On March 04 2013 08:00 revoN wrote:
Hard to be an Idra fan. What a disappointing performance :/
It's been hard for awhile...i was an idra fan til he started completely being unprofessional...while losing his games :\ There is a line between being a fan and being a stream therapist
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On March 04 2013 08:01 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:00 nkr wrote:On March 04 2013 07:59 Integra wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Ranir wrote:
the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
IdrA had 2.5k minerals and 1.5k gas against minigun,s 335 minerals and 700 gas? How was the game over for IdrA? ¨ 5 base vs 5 base, storm + air have you ever played a zvp in hots? IdrA had 6 bases
Idra was trying to break minigun with that fight before airtoss kicked in, even if he pulled back once the fight started going south it meant Minigun kept his base up and was on VR/Storm and that map is nearly impossible to beat it on once it gets going due to lack of open spaces.
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On March 04 2013 07:59 nvs. wrote:
Haha why does he even play anymore.
Based on that last game, he doesn't.
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On March 04 2013 08:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:01 StarVe wrote:
Like every single HotS PvZ I've seen has been disappointing, I just can't get excited for this, it's either a stomp one way or another or a macro game that looks like BL/infestor only the other way around with turtle void ray/HT/robo combos.
Anyway, I don't think Minigun will make it past Life, Life might just be able to kill him with early pools and his lings alone. He could do that to anyone, really. :D I thought Goswser vs Caliber was pretty good. Got to see a lot of SH action
You mean the series where Caliber came to the thread to apologize for playing badly and we saw the biggest throw by Goswser ?
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On March 04 2013 08:02 Topzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:00 JJH777 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Topzerg wrote:
lol axslav not having a clue, it was over with that ammount of upgraded void rays still alive Axslav beat IdrA in their last meeting. Are you sure it isn't IdrA that has no clue? He could've remaxed on a bunch of Hydras to kill the voids rofl, have you even played hots at all? did you forget about storms owning hydras easily?
Bro, do you even split ?
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On March 04 2013 08:00 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:59 Integra wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Ranir wrote:
the game was way over, why are some people think otherwise?
IdrA had 2.5k minerals and 1.5k gas against minigun,s 335 minerals and 700 gas? How was the game over for IdrA? ¨ 5 base vs 5 base, storm + air have you ever played a zvp in hots?
Minigun had no money......and pretty soon only 2 of those bases would be mining
Pretty sure zergs strength is they can quickly make units(any kind of units as long as you have the tech structure)
meh.......
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They should use the resume from replay to have other progamers continue from there when the game is released and test if other zergs could win from that position.
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On March 04 2013 08:00 AllHailTheDead wrote:
Idra doing what is expected......
Gotta admit hes a terrible player but he gives the fans what they want......
Right isn't this why people like him so much? Cause he just leaves a game he has a chance in to preserve his bad boy attitude
i can't speak for others, but i personally like him for all the smart and hilarious stuff he says on shows like ITG and in interviews. and i kinda like his general playstyle, it's just always had obvious weaknesses and he's unfortunately become worse and worse =/
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On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG).
Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm.
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On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning
finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth
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On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning
How is even as low as 20% chance of winning "over"? Idra leaving so soon was simply not correct.
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So do you guys think that we will see the scourge back in LotV
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On March 04 2013 08:04 coolcor wrote:
They should use the resume from replay to have other progamers continue from there when the game is released and test if other zergs could win from that position.
Would be kind of humiliating in some cases.
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IdrA threw that game away, he had it, no way minigum could had come back from that, that was disappointing.
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On March 04 2013 08:01 StarVe wrote:
Like every single HotS PvZ I've seen has been disappointing, I just can't get excited for this, it's either a stomp one way or another or a macro game that looks like BL/infestor only the other way around with turtle void ray/HT/robo combos.
This isn't balance whine, it's just that it looks boring to me.
Anyway, I don't think Minigun will make it past Life, Life might just be able to kill him with early pools and his lings alone. He could do that to anyone, really. :D
I'm sorry but what have you been looking at? Off the top of my head I can thing of at least 5 PvZ that didn't look like that at all... Granted most of them were in GSTL Preseason, I'm assuming you haven't watched these.
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On March 04 2013 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play
WCS Finals yo.
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On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth
only because he agrees with you
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On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning
That's what sets apart good players from Idra. A good player will take a 20% chance and say "hey, that's better than a 0% chance".
Idra will take a 20% chance and say "20% isn't good enough, I will make it 0% instead" and then ragequit.
He shouldn't play the game because he doesn't have the mental ability to be a winner.
I have no idea how he managed to go to Korea and spend time on a Korean b-team in Broodwar, because I've never seen him having a winning mentality in his entire SC2 career.
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On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm.
Because you cant spread out your units MIRITE?
you act as if Minigun has unlimited storms.....Whatever no point in trying to argue Idra just isn't a great player and only tries to win by mechanics only.
that 3rd game was the only close one tho
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On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm.
Granted I still think Minigun would have still won that, but I dunno that fight just didn't seem all that game-ending to me =\. I think if you'd resume from replay with say Stephano, he wins it.
Nevertheless, GJ Minigun!
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On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning
who in his right mind scoops at 20%....
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On March 04 2013 08:05 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play WCS Finals yo.
That was still almost 4 months ago and he only played in the first round
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Not surprised. Minigun is probably one of the top protoss in NA at the moment and protoss is strong. I know that IdrA can do better then he showed in these matches though. Hopefully he will do better in the future.
Can't wait to see Minigun play on LAN
I do wonder when IdrA found out he was playing minigun instead of ddoro :o
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On March 04 2013 08:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 Topzerg wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 JJH777 wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Topzerg wrote:
lol axslav not having a clue, it was over with that ammount of upgraded void rays still alive Axslav beat IdrA in their last meeting. Are you sure it isn't IdrA that has no clue? He could've remaxed on a bunch of Hydras to kill the voids rofl, have you even played hots at all? did you forget about storms owning hydras easily? Bro, do you even split ?
A good protoss won't fight in a spot where you can split effectively, lol. I've been zerg in WoL since july 2010... in hots, I'm ranked higher with protoss than zerg. I guess that should make sense.
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On March 04 2013 08:05 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth only because he agrees with you
1/5 > 0
or maybe I should go back to 3rd grade
Either way Idra will get nowhere if he continues to just leave games at the very sign that he might lose
Sure you can't win them all, but why not try and atleast give your opponent hell in the process
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On March 04 2013 08:06 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm. Granted I still think Minigun would have still won that, but I dunno that fight just didn't seem all that game-ending to me =\.
IdrA was investing everything into ending the game before air transition. That was the last chance, and it didn't work.
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On March 04 2013 08:06 AllHailTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm. Because you cant spread out your units MIRITE? you act as if Minigun has unlimited storms.....Whatever no point in trying to argue Idra just isn't a great player and only tries to win by mechanics only. that 3rd game was the only close one tho
That map is a right proper bitch to get a good hydra spread on and if you spend too much time dancing then the VR's / Storm residual damage can actually burn through hydras quite quickly. You need maps with larger areas to engage on and less corridors if hydras will be useful, particularly once you factor in time warp + the toss adding in 1-2 collsus.
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minigun, your present for beating idra, you now get to play life 
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On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth
Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s?
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What's Idra gonna do if he needs surgery that has a success rate of 40%?
Just leave?
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On March 04 2013 08:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:05 StarVe wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play WCS Finals yo. That was still almost 4 months ago and he only played in the first round
Well, if you're arguing like that then there are probably people new enough to following SC2 that they had never seen IdrA play until today.
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On March 04 2013 08:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:06 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm. Granted I still think Minigun would have still won that, but I dunno that fight just didn't seem all that game-ending to me =\. IdrA was investing everything into ending the game before air transition. That was the last chance, and it didn't work.
He killed pretty much all of the void rays. There was about 4 left and void rays do not do bonus damage against hydras.
Also he used pretty much all his templar energy up and Idra did nothing to move out of storms which is perfectly doable with hydra speed.
Idra played that out badly, don't try and swing it into a balance discussion as it wasn't. He left far too early, plain and simple. He attacked in bad angles beforehand and didn't even micro, he should have lost that game. Admittedly and I'd love Daybreak to be removed from the pool anyway, it's far too narrow. I've been saying this since Broodlord Infestor became strong. It's impossible to punish slow armies on that map.
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On March 04 2013 08:10 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 08:05 StarVe wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play WCS Finals yo. That was still almost 4 months ago and he only played in the first round Well, if you're arguing like that then there are probably people new enough to following SC2 that they had never seen IdrA play until today.
haha that's true, but I'd say he still has a big enough following that you would have heard about him compared to Fenix
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It's obvious that greg has no passion for sc2. He is playing just for money.
He dont have to be skilled too, his marketable name is good enough for EG.
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On March 04 2013 08:10 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 04 2013 08:06 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm. Granted I still think Minigun would have still won that, but I dunno that fight just didn't seem all that game-ending to me =\. IdrA was investing everything into ending the game before air transition. That was the last chance, and it didn't work. He killed pretty much all of the void rays. There was about 4 left and void rays do not do bonus damage against hydras. Also he used pretty much all his templar energy up and Idra did nothing to move out of storms which is perfectly doable with hydra speed. Idra played that out badly, don't try and swing it into a balance discussion as it wasn't. He left far too early, plain and simple. He attacked in bad angles beforehand and didn't even micro, he should have lost that game. Admittedly and I'd love Daybreak to be removed from the pool anyway, it's far too narrow. I've been saying this since Broodlord Infestor became strong. It's impossible to punish slow armies on that map.
4 void rays left if you have vision problems.. there was 7 on the field and 2 incoming. nice try.
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On March 04 2013 08:09 faculty.aCe. wrote:
What's Idra gonna do if he needs surgery that has a success rate of 40%?
Just leave?
No, call the doc a dumbass
"lol"
then leave
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This was the first time I ever scheduled to be home for a broadcast, and what a disappointing series it was
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So a little birdie told me that Idra has ragequitted a couple games already? :p
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That is actually the problem with Idra he doesn't have any fighting spirit, he correctly identify that Minigun was way ahead and likely to win if he made no mistakes, but it doesn't mean you have to leave like this so fast, you have to keep trying and hang on to that little chance you still have, hoping that he will make a mistake (or that you can force him to do one).
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On March 04 2013 08:09 faculty.aCe. wrote:
What's Idra gonna do if he needs surgery that has a success rate of 40%?
Just leave?
"Gregory, you have a 50% chance to beat this cancer"
Commits suicide
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Congrats Minigun, well played
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On March 04 2013 08:10 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 04 2013 08:06 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm. Granted I still think Minigun would have still won that, but I dunno that fight just didn't seem all that game-ending to me =\. IdrA was investing everything into ending the game before air transition. That was the last chance, and it didn't work. He killed pretty much all of the void rays. There was about 4 left and void rays do not do bonus damage against hydras. Also he used pretty much all his templar energy up and Idra did nothing to move out of storms which is perfectly doable with hydra speed. Idra played that out badly, don't try and swing it into a balance discussion as it wasn't. He left far too early, plain and simple. He attacked in bad angles beforehand and didn't even micro, he should have lost that game. Admittedly I'd love Daybreak to be removed from the pool anyway, it's far too narrow. I've been saying this since Broodlord Infestor became strong. It's impossible to punish slow armies on that map.
There were actually seven VR's alive at the end of the fight if you include the ones which had just finished but -shrug- on the bolded I agree whole heartedly though!
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On March 04 2013 08:10 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 04 2013 08:06 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ssxsilver wrote:On March 04 2013 08:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:58 Integra wrote:
Wait, IDrA left with over 1.5k in minerals and gas?? What just happen, could someone explain why he left. Minigun had completed the transition to airtoss and the map has no areas large enough to beat it with run bys, Idra was trying to end the game and failed. At that point he had no army left and most of his bases were mined out / mining out and he didn't have the mass air upgrades you need to stand a chance vs VRs. But his (Minigun) was at 130 supply with a bank of like 300/700. Not saying Idra had the game won, but with 1.5 bank he could have remaxed on hydras and continue to play an even game (up until max supply airtoss=GG). Hydras aren't the answer because of storm, he needed masses of corrupters / infestors but didn't have air upgrades (as he focused on ground tech for the middle game) and had invested in mainly vipers not infestors. He didn't have the gas needed to swap into anything that stood a chance vs VR/Storm. Granted I still think Minigun would have still won that, but I dunno that fight just didn't seem all that game-ending to me =\. IdrA was investing everything into ending the game before air transition. That was the last chance, and it didn't work. He killed pretty much all of the void rays. There was about 4 left and void rays do not do bonus damage against hydras. Also he used pretty much all his templar energy up and Idra did nothing to move out of storms which is perfectly doable with hydra speed. Idra played that out badly, don't try and swing it into a balance discussion as it wasn't. He left far too early, plain and simple. He attacked in bad angles beforehand and didn't even micro, he should have lost that game. Admittedly and I'd love Daybreak to be removed from the pool anyway, it's far too narrow. I've been saying this since Broodlord Infestor became strong. It's impossible to punish slow armies on that map.
Wrong again, I counted at least 6 voids left, and I didn't look at the unit counter at the end. Also, have you checked how many Hydra a pack of voids kills On top of that, there were still archons left and storms would be available before the building hydras could attack.
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On March 04 2013 08:04 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning How is even as low as 20% chance of winning "over"? Idra leaving so soon was simply not correct.
whats right or wrong doesnt really concern any of us because its his tournament life that was on the line, not ours
but yea most players wouldnt have left in that situation, to each his own tho.
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On March 04 2013 08:12 Murkinlol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:09 faculty.aCe. wrote:
What's Idra gonna do if he needs surgery that has a success rate of 40%?
Just leave? "Gregory, you have a 50% chance to beat this cancer" Commits suicide
I think you mean "ragequits"
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god idra are you serious? wow just disappointed
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After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city?
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On March 04 2013 08:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:10 StarVe wrote:On March 04 2013 08:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 04 2013 08:05 StarVe wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
IMFenix. I feel like there is people that are new enough to following sc2 that they've probably never seen him play WCS Finals yo. That was still almost 4 months ago and he only played in the first round Well, if you're arguing like that then there are probably people new enough to following SC2 that they had never seen IdrA play until today. haha that's true, but I'd say he still has a big enough following that you would have heard about him compared to Fenix
Yeah, obviously you're right.
Fenix has been very elusive for like one and a half years now but since he's still on IM maybe a tiny bit of their spirit has transferred over to him and he's gonna beat a bunch of guys out of nowhere. If he makes it to the live event I'd consider that a success, but it's pretty interesting that really no one has any clue how good Fenix actually is.
On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city?
Ends right there.
Comparing Life to Idra is like comparing Real Madrid to the New York Red Bulls.
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On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city?
More extreme high to incredible low.
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Well, that was fast. Congratulations to Minigun!
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On March 04 2013 08:18 Undead1993 wrote:
god idra are you serious? wow just disappointed
Can't say I expected any less from him though.
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On March 04 2013 08:17 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:12 Murkinlol wrote:On March 04 2013 08:09 faculty.aCe. wrote:
What's Idra gonna do if he needs surgery that has a success rate of 40%?
Just leave? "Gregory, you have a 50% chance to beat this cancer" Commits suicide I think you mean "ragequits"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah cant stop laughing
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On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city?
With how strong skytoss+storms is against zerg, if they go to the late game I could see an upset. But Life is like, one of the best sc2 player at the moment so obviously he's much more favored in the matchup.
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I think my main issue with ZvP in HotS at the moment is actually photon cannons, the second toss can afford to drop 5-6 cannons at an expo it becomes utterly immune to any form of zerg harassment. I can accept that zerg is lacking on good anti-air because it's a racial thing, I don't even mind the toss final deathball being unbeatable because that again is a racial thing but the inability to pick apart / multitask the toss death with a thousand cuts has really been bothering me.
I'd love to see better zergs then me working to re-incorperate baneling drops back into their play now that you have blinding cloud to stop stalkers blinking in and knocking the ovies down / forcing stalkers to burn blink to get out from under blinding cloud. Overlord of banes also allows you to still hurt the toss econ once cannons are up because you can still just drop directly onto the worker line if they don't react in time to pull the workers.
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On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city?
no its heart of the swarm protoss -_-
kill protoss before air or bust
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On March 04 2013 08:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:09 faculty.aCe. wrote:
What's Idra gonna do if he needs surgery that has a success rate of 40%?
Just leave? No, call the doc a dumbass "lol" then leave
"You should apoligize for calling yourself a doctor"
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Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p
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On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s?
by that logic 90% of na players would be better than me because i only went to 1 mlg in 2012 : D, could be true tho. anyways u guys can argue about the game all u want, enjoy yourselves
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On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p
This isn't a showmatch though. It's basically an extension of MLG Dallas, a premier tournament.
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On March 04 2013 08:20 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city? With how strong skytoss+storms is against zerg, if they go to the late game I could see an upset. But Life is like, one of the best sc2 player at the moment so obviously he's much more favored in the matchup.
Life lings ensure that lategame will never happen when he's around.
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On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p
Yeah, this is no showmatch. You win here you go to MLG, you lose you don't.
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On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p
why even accept if you dont care just get out and let another guy take the chance.
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On March 04 2013 08:25 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:20 Megiddosc wrote:On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city? With how strong skytoss+storms is against zerg, if they go to the late game I could see an upset. But Life is like, one of the best sc2 player at the moment so obviously he's much more favored in the matchup. Life lings ensure that lategame will never happen when he's around.
If Mini beats Life ez I think we should talk about "ZvP really impossible in HotS".
I can't wrap my head around the fact that Mini got the third base up without any problem whatsoever in that third game.
You don't let P take that base just like that.
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On March 04 2013 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
I think my main issue with ZvP in HotS at the moment is actually photon cannons, the second toss can afford to drop 5-6 cannons at an expo it becomes utterly immune to any form of zerg harassment. I can accept that zerg is lacking on good anti-air because it's a racial thing, I don't even mind the toss final deathball being unbeatable because that again is a racial thing but the inability to pick apart / multitask the toss death with a thousand cuts has really been bothering me.
I'd love to see better zergs then me working to re-incorperate baneling drops back into their play now that you have blinding cloud to stop stalkers blinking in and knocking the ovies down / forcing stalkers to burn blink to get out from under blinding cloud. Overlord of banes also allows you to still hurt the toss econ once cannons are up because you can still just drop directly onto the worker line if they don't react in time to pull the workers.
Same goes with spines though
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IdrA fell for the bait... really can't let P pin you in your base like that...
On March 04 2013 08:32 Krallman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
I think my main issue with ZvP in HotS at the moment is actually photon cannons, the second toss can afford to drop 5-6 cannons at an expo it becomes utterly immune to any form of zerg harassment. I can accept that zerg is lacking on good anti-air because it's a racial thing, I don't even mind the toss final deathball being unbeatable because that again is a racial thing but the inability to pick apart / multitask the toss death with a thousand cuts has really been bothering me.
I'd love to see better zergs then me working to re-incorperate baneling drops back into their play now that you have blinding cloud to stop stalkers blinking in and knocking the ovies down / forcing stalkers to burn blink to get out from under blinding cloud. Overlord of banes also allows you to still hurt the toss econ once cannons are up because you can still just drop directly onto the worker line if they don't react in time to pull the workers. Same goes with spines though
Any kind of zealot warpin >>>> spines
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On March 04 2013 08:26 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p Yeah, this is no showmatch. You win here you go to MLG, you lose you don't.
My fault. MLG used to do Sunday showmatches so I got confused. If that's the case, then Idra just went full retard. :p
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I just tuned into the stream, wondering why it was only on game 2 yet the results were already online. Looks like it was just a hugely short series and now it's a rebroadcast.
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On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p
Dude, thanks for the laugh :D
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On March 04 2013 08:36 andyf wrote:
I just tuned into the stream, wondering why it was only on game 2 yet the results were already online. Looks like it was just a hugely short series and now it's a rebroadcast.
You got it!
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On March 04 2013 08:21 Rulker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city? no its heart of the swarm protoss -_- kill protoss before air or bust
this is life we're talking about. he kills you before the game starts ;_;
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On March 04 2013 08:35 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p Yeah, this is no showmatch. You win here you go to MLG, you lose you don't. My fault. MLG used to do Sunday showmatches so I got confused. If that's the case, then Idra just went full retard. :p
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship/Showdowns
56 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will compete in 1 Showdown Match each, playing StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm before it is released to the public on March 12. The 28 winners will receive placement at the Winter Championship in Dallas from March 15-17 where they will compete with Life, Leenock, Flash and Bomber.
they've been airing the qualifiers almost every day for the past few weeks.
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Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
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On March 04 2013 08:29 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:25 Fusilero wrote:On March 04 2013 08:20 Megiddosc wrote:On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city? With how strong skytoss+storms is against zerg, if they go to the late game I could see an upset. But Life is like, one of the best sc2 player at the moment so obviously he's much more favored in the matchup. Life lings ensure that lategame will never happen when he's around. If Mini beats Life ez I think we should talk about "ZvP really impossible in HotS". I can't wrap my head around the fact that Mini got the third base up without any problem whatsoever in that third game. You don't let P take that base just like that.
Idra didn't pressure it, and when he found out about it, the simcity was set up and the cannon was ready, so he couldn't attack it with lings.
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
It's an honor to be a sacrificial lamb :D
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Push out with the MsCore, he can't beat that.
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On March 04 2013 08:39 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_; It's an honor to be a sacrificial lamb :D
What sacrificial lamb, ROOT4ROOT BRUDDAH MINIGUN GOT THIS SHEET.
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On March 04 2013 08:38 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:35 Havik_ wrote:On March 04 2013 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On March 04 2013 08:23 Havik_ wrote:
Everyone knows Idra doesn't care about showmatches. Remember the Idra vs Alive NASL showmatch from like a year ago? u 6 poll? lmao! :p Yeah, this is no showmatch. You win here you go to MLG, you lose you don't. My fault. MLG used to do Sunday showmatches so I got confused. If that's the case, then Idra just went full retard. :p http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship/ShowdownsShow nested quote +56 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will compete in 1 Showdown Match each, playing StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm before it is released to the public on March 12. The 28 winners will receive placement at the Winter Championship in Dallas from March 15-17 where they will compete with Life, Leenock, Flash and Bomber. they've been airing the qualifiers almost every day for the past few weeks.
Guess this explains how they fill the rest of the Dallas bracket now that the open bracket is gone(big fail on that one MLG). I haven't been paying much attention. There are so many tournaments that I really only watch the Korean leagues, and then major weekend tournaments when the come around. I don't really have the time/motivation to watch much else.
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Riiiiiiiiiight *wink wink*
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On March 04 2013 08:38 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 04 2013 08:25 Fusilero wrote:On March 04 2013 08:20 Megiddosc wrote:On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city? With how strong skytoss+storms is against zerg, if they go to the late game I could see an upset. But Life is like, one of the best sc2 player at the moment so obviously he's much more favored in the matchup. Life lings ensure that lategame will never happen when he's around. If Mini beats Life ez I think we should talk about "ZvP really impossible in HotS". I can't wrap my head around the fact that Mini got the third base up without any problem whatsoever in that third game. You don't let P take that base just like that. Idra didn't pressure it, and when he found out about it, the simcity was set up and the cannon was ready, so he couldn't attack it with lings.
Well, yeah. My point kinda still stands ^_^
Isn't it THE zergy thing to scout what the opponent is doing and then react to it?
Also nice having Mini posting in here - all the best at MLG
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On March 04 2013 08:36 dredd276 wrote:
Idra retirement inc.
Well more than 10k people tuned in to watch this match. He is a player for the highest paying foreign team. He streams for thousands at each sitting, and he has a cult following who either love or love to hate him. Why the fuck would you retire? This isn't rage quitting out of a video game, it's real life.
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On March 04 2013 08:44 Badfatpanda wrote:Well more than 10k people tuned in to watch this match. He is a player for the highest paying foreign team. He streams for thousands at each sitting, and he has a cult following who either love or love to hate him. Why the fuck would you retire? This isn't rage quitting out of a video game, it's real life.
I don't even think people watch Idra because he's good, I think they watch for the moments like this when he ragequits games giving everyone a good laugh.
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On March 04 2013 08:44 Badfatpanda wrote:Well more than 10k people tuned in to watch this match. He is a player for the highest paying foreign team. He streams for thousands at each sitting, and he has a cult following who either love or love to hate him. Why the fuck would you retire? This isn't rage quitting out of a video game, it's real life.
He retired a long time ago ... as a player. Now he is an entertainer, some people just haven't realized yet.
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On March 04 2013 08:43 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:38 Bagration wrote:On March 04 2013 08:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 04 2013 08:25 Fusilero wrote:On March 04 2013 08:20 Megiddosc wrote:On March 04 2013 08:18 MLG_Adam wrote:
After 3-0ing Idra with nearly 19,000 watching Minigun is handsomely rewarded with a trip to Dallas...and a first round match up with Life.
Upset city? With how strong skytoss+storms is against zerg, if they go to the late game I could see an upset. But Life is like, one of the best sc2 player at the moment so obviously he's much more favored in the matchup. Life lings ensure that lategame will never happen when he's around. If Mini beats Life ez I think we should talk about "ZvP really impossible in HotS". I can't wrap my head around the fact that Mini got the third base up without any problem whatsoever in that third game. You don't let P take that base just like that. Idra didn't pressure it, and when he found out about it, the simcity was set up and the cannon was ready, so he couldn't attack it with lings. Well, yeah. My point kinda still stands ^_^ Isn't it THE zergy thing to scout what the opponent is doing and then react to it? Also nice having Mini posting in here - all the best at MLG
Yeah, it's a general rule to either punish your opponent's greed or match it with your own greed. Idra didn't do that very well, but I'm sure a player like Life will if scouted.
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On March 04 2013 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
I think my main issue with ZvP in HotS at the moment is actually photon cannons, the second toss can afford to drop 5-6 cannons at an expo it becomes utterly immune to any form of zerg harassment. I can accept that zerg is lacking on good anti-air because it's a racial thing, I don't even mind the toss final deathball being unbeatable because that again is a racial thing but the inability to pick apart / multitask the toss death with a thousand cuts has really been bothering me.
I'd love to see better zergs then me working to re-incorperate baneling drops back into their play now that you have blinding cloud to stop stalkers blinking in and knocking the ovies down / forcing stalkers to burn blink to get out from under blinding cloud. Overlord of banes also allows you to still hurt the toss econ once cannons are up because you can still just drop directly onto the worker line if they don't react in time to pull the workers.
You say that as if 5-6 cannons isn't expensive. It's basically two additional nexii's worth of money, and unless you spend another nexus on pylons so you can't just snipe 1/2 pylons to shut the whole network down, it's a pretty flimsy defense. In ZvT people were/are willing to make 20+banelings to take down a PF, why not do the same thing for cannons?
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
I believe!
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On March 04 2013 08:46 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:44 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 04 2013 08:36 dredd276 wrote:
Idra retirement inc. Well more than 10k people tuned in to watch this match. He is a player for the highest paying foreign team. He streams for thousands at each sitting, and he has a cult following who either love or love to hate him. Why the fuck would you retire? This isn't rage quitting out of a video game, it's real life. I don't even think people watch Idra because he's good, I think they watch for the moments like this when he ragequits games giving everyone a good laugh.
That's irrelevant. He is like a right-wing politician : everyone hates or loves him but he continues his merry life leeching the minds of people away.
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Uhhh, I guess you have the honor of being the first person sacrificed to Life in MLG?
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
congratz chad I'll be cheering for you
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you rock chad
You can take down Life fo SHO
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ROFL oh idra
void rays are pretty damn good vs ultras
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Ahahaha, my god! Why would he leave!! hahahahaha
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Don't worry, you can do it!
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Minigun seems to be playing well, excited to see more of him in HotS. Hope to see him become a top tier foreigner.
Idra was definitely out after that attack though, surprised that they are saying there was a comeback. He was down 20 supply, 20 drones up, so 40 army supply down, less mining available etc. Minigun plays the deathball pretty well, curious what the right army would have been in that situation for Idra though.
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He left because he could never win.
His army would continue to melt instantly even with perfect cloud, fungal, and abducts.
Once more VRs came out and eventually Tempest/HT it would've been over.
I get it.
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On March 04 2013 08:58 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Minigun seems to be playing well, excited to see more of him in HotS. Hope to see him become a top tier foreigner.
He made mostly good decisions in game 3. Could have teched to skytoss a bit faster, but that's my low level critique...
As for Idra.... lol. He should have stayed in that game. At least try!!
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Idra / Minigun. How could it be not funny ? :D
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lol, disgusting. I used to be on IdrA's side, but as of late I'm finding it harder. Congrats to Chad MF Jones!
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On March 04 2013 08:59 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:58 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Minigun seems to be playing well, excited to see more of him in HotS. Hope to see him become a top tier foreigner. He made mostly good decisions in game 3. Could have teched to skytoss a bit faster, but that's my low level critique... As for Idra.... lol. He should have stayed in that game. At least try!!
I agree about the air tech, he should have felt pretty safe and be able to invest money into the tech faster. And trying there was futile xP
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Its a disgrace that Idra doesn't care to respect his opponent. I hope he retires soon.
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Hey at least you made it ^^ Good luck in the bracket of death. Life followed by Polt/Creator xD
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On March 04 2013 09:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_; Hey at least you made it ^^ Good luck in the bracket of death. Life followed by Polt/Creator xD
While those are fearsome opponents, it might be good for minigun - it really is no pressure. He can just go out there and try his best and we'll all be supporting him whether he gets an upset or not.
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On March 04 2013 09:06 soiii wrote:
Its a disgrace that Idra doesn't care to respect his opponent. I hope he retires soon.
Starcraft wouldn't be Starcraft without Idra.
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Check TL for the first time today, see Idra vs. Minigun...lol lol lol. Very entertaining.
Well done Minigun, make Life bleed a little bit.
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I am starting to think Idra doesnt GG on propose just to make sure there is tons of dram, even if he loses. God knows SC2 fans love the drama.
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On March 04 2013 09:20 Plansix wrote:
I am starting to think Idra doesnt GG on propose just to make sure there is tons of dram, even if he loses. God knows SC2 fans love the drama.
Well he's gotta stay relevant!
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On March 04 2013 09:27 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:20 Plansix wrote:
I am starting to think Idra doesnt GG on propose just to make sure there is tons of dram, even if he loses. God knows SC2 fans love the drama. Well he's gotta stay relevant!
It's all he has left.
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Minigun: remember what Basketball coach Phil Jackson said: "Winning is important to me, but what brings me real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in whatever I'm doing."
As long as you love being at MLG and make sure to enjoy the moment you'll find winning comes easier. However if it doesn't come then you can at least take joy from the experience. ^_^
Remember nobody expects you to win therefore you should have no pressure and can empty your mind of doubts and just try to focus on your builds, strategies, if they work out you will be a National Hero! If not nobody will blame you.
See if you can't at least get a USA chant started lol
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idra being bm to everyone is starting to get old,
but to be honest I can't really blame him for not gging in a HoTs game.
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Wow hah never saw that thread before ^_^. Great link
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I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now
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On March 04 2013 09:12 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:06 soiii wrote:
Its a disgrace that Idra doesn't care to respect his opponent. I hope he retires soon. Starcraft wouldn't be Starcraft without Idra.
Nothing of value would be lost.
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Ah to be young and dumb, that's some pretty classic non-sense. The whole no GG thing and people posting "disgusted" and acting self righteous has gotten old and seems equally childish. Idra has never liked Mimingun and said GG to him, but who really cares?
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On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now
Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true.
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On March 04 2013 09:20 Plansix wrote:
I am starting to think Idra doesnt GG on propose just to make sure there is tons of dram, even if he loses. God knows SC2 fans love the drama.
Pretty much this. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the events pay him to make a big scene just to attract more attention to their tournaments.
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Good to see minigun hasn't quit yet. By LotV he might actually be a contender.
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Idra for the love of christ can you win a game every once in a while? I really am your biggest fan but this is insanity. 6 pool him or something.
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On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true.
Agreed, but not GGing is a minor thing. Idra does not like minigun and minigun loves to troll Idra. They both feed into it. I just get tired of the people who say "he should retire, he doesn't GG." It's just drama filled nonsense that is on the same level as middles school girls.
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Lame idra didn't make it, in all fairness though the game is pretty imbalanced still lol
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be interesting to see who has a better HOTS career out of the 2.
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Congrats Minigun!!!!!!!!!
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On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true.
I don't think it's mutually exclusive. Idra could be putting up an act and be BM at the same time. it's been said many times that Idratosis BM stems from passion for the game. Is that something that he still has remains to be seen.
Also Day9 clearly increases his caffeine intake before a public appearance :D
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On March 04 2013 08:32 Krallman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
I think my main issue with ZvP in HotS at the moment is actually photon cannons, the second toss can afford to drop 5-6 cannons at an expo it becomes utterly immune to any form of zerg harassment. I can accept that zerg is lacking on good anti-air because it's a racial thing, I don't even mind the toss final deathball being unbeatable because that again is a racial thing but the inability to pick apart / multitask the toss death with a thousand cuts has really been bothering me.
I'd love to see better zergs then me working to re-incorperate baneling drops back into their play now that you have blinding cloud to stop stalkers blinking in and knocking the ovies down / forcing stalkers to burn blink to get out from under blinding cloud. Overlord of banes also allows you to still hurt the toss econ once cannons are up because you can still just drop directly onto the worker line if they don't react in time to pull the workers. Same goes with spines though
Zealots have enough hp / spines deal less dps so that they can survive long enough to take down the hatch and more importantly deal more damage per surface area then zerglings. I think you need the front loaded damage of the banes if you want to get anywhere.
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On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now
There was a Rekrul thread a year or two back. Rekrul eventually made a post saying Nazgul had told him to behave, so I guess the rules are a little more strict now. It's reasonable, there's many more users to police today and if they all thought they could be like Rekrul it'd be a mess.
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The posts that talk about not GGing being bad manners are downright ridiculous. Leaving a game when you think it's over without saying GG isn't automatically a rage quit, yet so many of you love to assume things. I really doubt Idra was that angry, but I'm sure he wasn't happy.
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On March 04 2013 08:48 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
I think my main issue with ZvP in HotS at the moment is actually photon cannons, the second toss can afford to drop 5-6 cannons at an expo it becomes utterly immune to any form of zerg harassment. I can accept that zerg is lacking on good anti-air because it's a racial thing, I don't even mind the toss final deathball being unbeatable because that again is a racial thing but the inability to pick apart / multitask the toss death with a thousand cuts has really been bothering me.
I'd love to see better zergs then me working to re-incorperate baneling drops back into their play now that you have blinding cloud to stop stalkers blinking in and knocking the ovies down / forcing stalkers to burn blink to get out from under blinding cloud. Overlord of banes also allows you to still hurt the toss econ once cannons are up because you can still just drop directly onto the worker line if they don't react in time to pull the workers. You say that as if 5-6 cannons isn't expensive. It's basically two additional nexii's worth of money, and unless you spend another nexus on pylons so you can't just snipe 1/2 pylons to shut the whole network down, it's a pretty flimsy defense. In ZvT people were/are willing to make 20+banelings to take down a PF, why not do the same thing for cannons?
Oh no doubt it's expensive, I'm talking about the mid-late game for sure but you don't need 3-4 pylons as long as you simcity properly. The issues I've found with large quanitites of banes in ZvP is unlike in ZvT banes aren't part of your primary army due to the Toss AoE / FF's and lack of good targets. You also need to spend your gas on infestors / corrupters at that stage in the game where as you can skimp on gas and invest in speedlings in ZvT. Warp in's can also complicate matters though they aren't that large of a factor when you're right clicking enough banes into something.
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On March 04 2013 10:47 Laekoth wrote:
The posts that talk about not GGing being bad manners are downright ridiculous. Leaving a game when you think it's over without saying GG isn't automatically a rage quit, yet so many of you love to assume things. I really doubt Idra was that angry, but I'm sure he wasn't happy.
is this the first MLG Idra doesn't get to go to? he prob. raged if that's the case
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haha, idra fanboys don't recommend any of the games. i knew minigun would win, but i expected 3-1.
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Haha, expected result. Been watching Minigun's HotS stream and he's playing very nicely lately.
lol @ Idra.
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On March 04 2013 10:55 threesxmafia wrote:
haha, idra fanboys don't recommend any of the games. i knew minigun would win, but i expected 3-1.
To be fair, the games weren't really that good. Last one was ok
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People really need to calm down... everyone screams idra not relevant. idra not relevant. So yea he lost. I don't really care about idra/miniguns success. if we compare them both. Minigun hasn't really ever been relevant.... so bringing that argument up is stupid. Idra still does well when he doesn't rage and Minigun has been doing well in HoTs (so far, I don't see him having any chance of beating life, but w/e)
Its frustrating to read stuff when people just rage about Idra raging. He's NEVER liked Minigun (or at least never gg'd him). That's they way it is. Idra in his prime could take series' off top koreans. and he showed at WCS that he still has that capability(at least sometimes).
The relevancy arguments are kinda stupid right now. When idra starts consistently losing to lower caliber players. then people can take note. As of now. He hasn't and minigun hasn't started consistently taking games off high level players. Its pointless raging. HoTs will also probably get additional balance patches on launchday/shortly after. SO w/e People just really need to chill.
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People need to remember that Minigun has never lost a series to Idra
ever :D This was nothing new
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chad motherfucking jones!
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On March 04 2013 05:03 The_Templar wrote:
Idra 3-0
Ok... I was a little bit off...
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On March 04 2013 10:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:55 threesxmafia wrote:
haha, idra fanboys don't recommend any of the games. i knew minigun would win, but i expected 3-1. To be fair, the games weren't really that good. Last one was ok
The context made the games hilarious though
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On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true.
I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life.
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On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life.
IdrA also said similar things about day9, even though they are friends (i think)
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Game 1, idra should have really made at least a spore per base knowing how cheap DTs are in Hots.
Game 2, idra stayed too long on T2, vipers would definitely changed the outcome.
Game 3, well this one is sad, and people still call ultras too strong lol..
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On March 04 2013 10:47 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now There was a Rekrul thread a year or two back. Rekrul eventually made a post saying Nazgul had told him to behave, so I guess the rules are a little more strict now. It's reasonable, there's many more users to police today and if they all thought they could be like Rekrul it'd be a mess.
No. You have to earn your right to talk smack. Dan gets a lot and I mean a lot of leeway because he's Dan and it is their house. Dan's a pretty blunt guy like myself and there's a reason why they took away his benevolent hammer. Besides he has better things to do. He wasn't that good at Starcraft either, but you know what it was smart on his decision to say screw it I can take people's money through poker and win the old money match of BW from time to time. Props to him for that.
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On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life.
Just an FYI day 9 himself has said this that in real life he is different then how he acts on the day 9 daily's. He has said this multiple times and has never tried to hide that fact either.
To be honest these games were very disappointing I was hoping idra would play... well better or use a better composition . Roach/hydra imo is just garbage verse a protoss who knows what he is doing and yeah. Although idra should have won games 2 and 3, he threw those pretty bad which was also pretty unfortunate, game 2 he just never teched right (stayed roach/hydra so died to a 2-3 colossi push off of 2 base) then game 3 he just left to early he still had that but whatever.
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On March 04 2013 16:26 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life. Just an FYI day 9 himself has said this that in real life he is different then how he acts on the day 9 daily's. He has said this multiple times and has never tried to hide that fact either. To be honest these games were very disappointing I was hoping idra would play... well better or use a better composition . Roach/hydra imo is just garbage verse a protoss who knows what he is doing and yeah. Although idra should have won games 2 and 3, he threw those pretty bad which was also pretty unfortunate, game 2 he just never teched right (stayed roach/hydra so died to a 2-3 colossi push off of 2 base) then game 3 he just left to early he still had that but whatever.
I really don't think he had G3. I mean minigun still had 5 voids, 2 archons, immortal and a great economy. He would definitely had storms in place for next battle, as well as collossus. Idra's 3K he had banked would have just melted vs. that combo.
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good job minigun
too bad he has to play life first round lol.
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At what point do wannabe "badasses" just become "bad." I'm a Terran player that watches Idra's stream from time-to-time just for the comedy and drama. But it becomes old quick. After seeing the same "FU #%@#@#" it gets kind of monotonous. I've seen his steam count dwindle over the last year from 11k to to around 3k or less - talk is becoming cheap. I'd like to see him come up with something innovative instead of moving his hands really fast and expect an "autowin". I've played him on ladder several times and I just play this for fun ; that should say something about MMR.
This match is an example of someone that needs to get some manners and not consider every match imbalanced - especially when they leave a match, which many would consider Zerg being "ahead".
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On March 04 2013 10:47 Laekoth wrote:
The posts that talk about not GGing being bad manners are downright ridiculous. Leaving a game when you think it's over without saying GG isn't automatically a rage quit, yet so many of you love to assume things. I really doubt Idra was that angry, but I'm sure he wasn't happy.
Idra: ''lol''
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On March 04 2013 16:21 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:47 urashimakt wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now There was a Rekrul thread a year or two back. Rekrul eventually made a post saying Nazgul had told him to behave, so I guess the rules are a little more strict now. It's reasonable, there's many more users to police today and if they all thought they could be like Rekrul it'd be a mess. No. You have to earn your right to talk smack. Dan gets a lot and I mean a lot of leeway because he's Dan and it is their house. Dan's a pretty blunt guy like myself and there's a reason why they took away his benevolent hammer. Besides he has better things to do. He wasn't that good at Starcraft either, but you know what it was smart on his decision to say screw it I can take people's money through poker and win the old money match of BW from time to time. Props to him for that.
I'm not sure I understand what your "No." references. I didn't ask a question or posit a notion, just mentioned a more recent Rekrul thread that got reined in. In fact, nothing that I said or that you said appear to be contradictory.
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On March 04 2013 16:31 ALPINA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 16:26 blade55555 wrote:On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life. Just an FYI day 9 himself has said this that in real life he is different then how he acts on the day 9 daily's. He has said this multiple times and has never tried to hide that fact either. To be honest these games were very disappointing I was hoping idra would play... well better or use a better composition . Roach/hydra imo is just garbage verse a protoss who knows what he is doing and yeah. Although idra should have won games 2 and 3, he threw those pretty bad which was also pretty unfortunate, game 2 he just never teched right (stayed roach/hydra so died to a 2-3 colossi push off of 2 base) then game 3 he just left to early he still had that but whatever. I really don't think he had G3. I mean minigun still had 5 voids, 2 archons, immortal and a great economy. He would definitely had storms in place for next battle, as well as collossus. Idra's 3K he had banked would have just melted vs. that combo.
Well with the unit composition idra was going he probably didn't he needed to switch. But you can actually beat that you have to remember minigun lost all his splash, he was broke as fuck (minigun was). While yes toss late game is favored, I still don't think idra was out of it.
Honestly the best way to fight that composition anyway is to go swarmhost/hydra/ultra. It does surprisingly well vs that composition and I have beaten toss players who got max voidray/colossi/templar with it as well. It's a composition zergs need to start using as it's the best chance you have verse late game toss.
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On March 04 2013 19:09 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 16:31 ALPINA wrote:On March 04 2013 16:26 blade55555 wrote:On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life. Just an FYI day 9 himself has said this that in real life he is different then how he acts on the day 9 daily's. He has said this multiple times and has never tried to hide that fact either. To be honest these games were very disappointing I was hoping idra would play... well better or use a better composition . Roach/hydra imo is just garbage verse a protoss who knows what he is doing and yeah. Although idra should have won games 2 and 3, he threw those pretty bad which was also pretty unfortunate, game 2 he just never teched right (stayed roach/hydra so died to a 2-3 colossi push off of 2 base) then game 3 he just left to early he still had that but whatever. I really don't think he had G3. I mean minigun still had 5 voids, 2 archons, immortal and a great economy. He would definitely had storms in place for next battle, as well as collossus. Idra's 3K he had banked would have just melted vs. that combo. Well with the unit composition idra was going he probably didn't he needed to switch. But you can actually beat that you have to remember minigun lost all his splash, he was broke as fuck (minigun was). While yes toss late game is favored, I still don't think idra was out of it. Honestly the best way to fight that composition anyway is to go swarmhost/hydra/ultra. It does surprisingly well vs that composition and I have beaten toss players who got max voidray/colossi/templar with it as well. It's a composition zergs need to start using as it's the best chance you have verse late game toss.
IMO he was slightly behind that game, but under no means out of it. He shouldn't have left that's for sure.
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On March 04 2013 08:24 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s? by that logic 90% of na players would be better than me because i only went to 1 mlg in 2012 : D, could be true tho. anyways u guys can argue about the game all u want, enjoy yourselves
I can't watch AxSlav he just isn't "intense" enough for me.
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I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet.
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Minigun is playing so good lately. Top 50 in a ladder with al the koreans is a mayor archievement, proof of his current level.
And imo that late game was never in Idra hands (too much Idra hype as usual), was pretty even and with very poor micro from idra in the last engagement.
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On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s?
I think its really funny that people regard TT1 as a pro lol
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On March 05 2013 00:31 derpface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s? I think its really funny that people regard TT1 as a pro lol
Well, TT1 beat Stephano in a BO3 not too long ago, there are certainly worse players .
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It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites.
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On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites.
lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple.
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On March 05 2013 01:00 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites. lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple.
^ agreed 100%
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On March 05 2013 01:00 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites. lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple.
There may be some (very little) actual criticism in this thread, but most of it is player bashing, plain and simple. I'm not talking about just Idra. This is happening to a lot of players lately when this is supposed to be a community. It's disgusting to see people like you actually supporting this happening when all it leads to is players feeling even worse and it could push professional players to thinning out and quitting the game entirely. Then your 'community' is gone altogether. Congratulations.
The fact that this is about to touch 30 pages when Calibur vs Goswser has 5 pages proves my point enough.
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On March 05 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 01:00 Joedaddy wrote:On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites. lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple. There may be some (very little) actual criticism in this thread, but most of it is player bashing, plain and simple. I'm not talking about just Idra. This is happening to a lot of players lately when this is supposed to be a community. It's disgusting to see people like you actually supporting this happening when all it leads to is players feeling even worse and it could push professional players to thinning out and quitting the game entirely. Then your 'community' is gone altogether. Congratulations. The fact that this is about to touch 30 pages when Calibur vs Goswser has 5 pages proves my point enough.
Speaking specifically about Idra, I don't find any need for criticism concerning him to be constructive. Idra is the king of player bashing. Just watch his stream or ask Minigun lol. Idra has fully embraced his image and in some ways has worked to cultivate his "bad boy" brand. Everything you're saying, Idra basically does the opposite of. There's nothing constructive taking place when Idra says he thinks David Kim should be raped with a tire iron, or when he calls one of the most mannered players Ive ever watched (Grubby) "awful" after going 0-5, or calls minigun a coin flipping ladder hero. His comments like "it will be very satisfying seeing this player disappear completely" aren't meant to encourage community growth. Idra's criticism is meant to make the other guy feel bad. Expecting the community to do anything less when Idra comes up short is nonsensical.
Either way, I'd encourage you to re-evaluate the effect you believe all this may or may not have on Idra as a player. He's doing extremely well for himself, and he has shown no sign of giving any fucks about what the community has to say about him. I seriously doubt the comments in this thread and others would make him think twice about his future in "the community."
The fact that even when he loses threads blow up is a great thing for him and his continued success as a figure in competitive e-sports. I'll worry about the community dying when people don't hop on board the soul train to take a shot at Idra after he loses to a NA Protoss. By the looks of this thread, the community is alive and well.
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On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet.
100% correct!
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IdrA is very good "in theoretical scenarios" - He'd probably make it damn good coach, so a career swap couldn't hurt.
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Got to love this guy. When Life gives you lemons...
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On March 05 2013 01:36 thewhiskey wrote:IdrA is very good "in theoretical scenarios" - He'd probably make it damn good coach, so a career swap couldn't hurt.
someone in EG has to play the clanwars... they cant all become casters/coaches/etc :p
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On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet.
Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability.
He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention.
A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
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On March 05 2013 02:28 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet. Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability. He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention. A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
Honestly if I was in his situation, I wouldn't care about losing anymore.
Like you said, he can basically lose, talk shit, and still have a TON of fans and support, all while enjoying himself. To me, that sounds like a win-win situation.
No one expects him to actually win major events anymore, so if he miraculously DOES win, awesome, but if he doesn't? Just another day in the life. #yolo #swag #getmoney
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On March 05 2013 02:28 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet. Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability. He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention. A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
Yep, Idra is basically a slightly more successful, better paid version of Destiny. Famous within the community for hype and BM moreso than actual skill level.
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On March 05 2013 02:28 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet. Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability. He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention. A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
This is the first win that Minigun has gotten in the since very early 2011 against anyone who mattered. He left complexity with a with no major titles or finishers. His only special talent is beating Idra for some reason. He has a special ability to get inside Idra's head, but can't seem to do that with other players.
Now if we look at Idra's record, he took 3 place in the 2012 North American Battle.net Championship and in 2011 had ten finishes in the top 5 at major events in 2011. Five first places at events, Including IEM. It should also be pointed out that Minigun competed in a number of these events and never made it very far in the bracket, normally getting knocked out in the first few rounds.
So, Minigun has Idra's number and can beat him often. However, he hasn't be able to do much else beyond that and his only real success came within the first 8 months of the WoL launch. While Idra had a very good year in 2011 and an off year in 2012.
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I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones.
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IdrA didn't play bad. But I don't understand why he always decides to go Ultras. When he on and on keeps complaining they are bad units etc.
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Idra still chases drops with his complete army... normally you just see noobs do that and considering his broodwar background it really is rather surprising...
Oh well, deserved winner, gratz minigun.
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How are pros dealing with MMM + hellbats + 2-3 tanks nowadays ? baneling flanks or what ?
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On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones.
MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun.
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On March 05 2013 02:55 Technique wrote:
Idra still chases drops with his complete army... normally you just see noobs do that and considering his broodwar background it really is rather surprising...
Oh well, deserved winner, gratz minigun.
nah man, it's more that a warp prism with 4 zealots can drop those zealots and then warp in off of however many gates. and it doesn't have to be "right over those 4 hydralisks you left behind to snipe the warp prism cause you're super pro awesome". Without having a ton of spines there, there was no way he was going to defend that. better argument would be to say ditch the base, given that composition, and focus on holding the front or something. not that i agree with either.
also, ultras seemed fine. it's just that voidrays kind of shit on everything in HOtS right now, and he retained like 6-7 of them i believe. i can certainly understand the frustration given how well idra engaged in the earlier fights. also that 3rd was unreal quick by minigun.
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On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun.
You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future.
All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others.
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Easy win for life seeing idra lost. But GJ MiniGun he always beats idra on ladder and it was no different this time.
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On March 05 2013 04:35 AhOhitzXray wrote:
Easy win for life seeing idra lost. But GJ MiniGun he always beats idra on ladder and it was no different this time.
Uh dude, sorry to burst your bubble but in either scenario it 'should' be an easy win for Life.
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On March 05 2013 04:35 AhOhitzXray wrote:
Easy win for life seeing idra lost. But GJ MiniGun he always beats idra on ladder and it was no different this time.
Even easier win for life if Idra won.....
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On March 05 2013 02:55 Technique wrote:
Idra still chases drops with his complete army... normally you just see noobs do that and considering his broodwar background it really is rather surprising...
Oh well, deserved winner, gratz minigun.
I see Nestea doing that in his games, often enough that I started calling it "ZergBong'ing". I think it's why Nestea's ZvT has always been his weakest match-up by some margin and why he still can't seem to beat decent Terrans even in recent times of Zerg dominance.
So frustrating for people who would like to see older players like him do well.
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Back in my days, you had to win more than one set in order to qualify for a prestigious tournament including travel funding!
Nonetheless good job Minigun, looking forward to see you in MLG. :-)
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Can't believe idra sucked so badly... :d
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On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones.
That's because minigun primarily focused on macro games, while everyone else is doing dumb all ins, and gimmicky shit.
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On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others.
I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL
Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there.
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On March 05 2013 08:10 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others. I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL . White-Ra has significantly improved in HotS again, he barely lost against Hyun (4:5) a few days ago, I honestly would doubt Minigun would be able to keep it that close. Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there.
I was just giving you grief/a hard time. I'll be on the lookout for Fraer's games. I've always felt there were a lot of Europeans, especially those in Russia or close proximity to it, that didn't get nearly enough attention from the rest of the scene. Pomi, for example, always struck me as the "Russian version of Nony." I'm a fan of Mana. When it comes to HotS and White-ra, you do perhaps have to factor in that White-ra seemed to be one of the first pro players to put in a lot of HotS games. Few pros probably have his experience, or more, in HotS.
I think Minigun has done something that no one else would really do, if you exchange gaming backgrounds. I don't see White-ra coming close to first in the NA ladder without all of that RTS background. In fact, I'd be surprised if he could do it now. His mechanics just aren't that great for a pro, and I haven't seen strategies that more than make up for it.
I'm not exactly a minigun expert, so I could be wrong, but those are my opinions at least. But, I do know I watched a youtube video the other day, that was minigun vs skt_rain. This was HotS, and minigun won. Rain, was one of the top players on the HotS ladder and obviously considered to be one of the best players in the world.
What makes his potential so intriguing is that he is not all-in'ing, and even if he does, he's not a "1 trick pony." He beat Rain in a macro game. It's easy to get freebie all-in wins when a game is new and people are prone to errors and your whole army is waiting outside their base to knock their teeth in. Anyone can do that. That's not a lasting style. Minigun seems to be really good at mixing it up and having the ability to keep players honest, given his skill to execute any given strat.
Anyways, I guess I should be posting in a fanclub thread or something. Fans going to be fans.
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On March 05 2013 08:10 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others. I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL . White-Ra has significantly improved in HotS again, he barely lost against Hyun (4:5) a few days ago, I honestly would doubt Minigun would be able to keep it that close. Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there.
I don't really like making excuses for sucking, but this was also when my disease was horribly not in control and I 100% should not have been traveling. The entire way there/and at the hotel before I played I was throwing up I was in so much pain/at the event. It was also my first time ever playing on stage which is pretty nerve racking.
This game is more than skill. It's about luck ( not saying I'm unlucky, just saying it's a part of winning/losing), ingame skill, and your ability to control your anxiety. I'm fucking horrible at #3. XD
I hope I can at least take a few games off life though, we shall see.
Thanks for all the support from everyone, even though I can't respond to you all I do read your comments and appreciate it.
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you're borderline ridiculous with all this lol
Minigun got raped by Scarlett 3-0 like a week ago, what about that?
gm players can take games off each other, that's nothing new. minigun beating idra isn't new wither.
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On March 05 2013 09:03 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 08:10 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others. I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL . White-Ra has significantly improved in HotS again, he barely lost against Hyun (4:5) a few days ago, I honestly would doubt Minigun would be able to keep it that close. Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there. I don't really like making excuses for sucking, but this was also when my disease was horribly not in control and I 100% should not have been traveling. The entire way there/and at the hotel before I played I was throwing up I was in so much pain/at the event. It was also my first time ever playing on stage which is pretty nerve racking. This game is more than skill. It's about luck ( not saying I'm unlucky, just saying it's a part of winning/losing), ingame skill, and your ability to control your anxiety. I'm fucking horrible at #3. XD I hope I can at least take a few games off life though, we shall see. Thanks for all the support from everyone, even though I can't respond to you all I do read your comments and appreciate it.
I strongly suggest should read the book Mind Gym. The mentality you have is holding your back. First, you say you don't like making excuses, but then you go ahead and make excuses. Then you talk about how the game is has an element luck, and how your not good at controlling your anxiety. Then you say that you hope to take a few games off Life.
That isn't the mindset of a champion at all. People become champions in their mind before they do it in real life. You won't beat Life if you don't think you can. Simple as that. What kind of mindset do you think Life has? He probably thinks he is going to win it all, and that you're nothing. You need to think of him the same way. MC acted like a boss long before he won tournaments. Stephano said congrats to people when they beat him, because he believed people deserved congratulations for beating him (ie, he thought he was the best).
I'm not trying to be offensive, I am trying to help you. Idra is a great player (he did quite well at BWCS, where he defeated Roro and Stephano) and you play him very well. You can beat Life, but you have to convince yourself of that before you do it.
Good luck.
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On March 05 2013 09:17 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 09:03 ROOTMinigun wrote:On March 05 2013 08:10 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others. I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL . White-Ra has significantly improved in HotS again, he barely lost against Hyun (4:5) a few days ago, I honestly would doubt Minigun would be able to keep it that close. Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there. I don't really like making excuses for sucking, but this was also when my disease was horribly not in control and I 100% should not have been traveling. The entire way there/and at the hotel before I played I was throwing up I was in so much pain/at the event. It was also my first time ever playing on stage which is pretty nerve racking. This game is more than skill. It's about luck ( not saying I'm unlucky, just saying it's a part of winning/losing), ingame skill, and your ability to control your anxiety. I'm fucking horrible at #3. XD I hope I can at least take a few games off life though, we shall see. Thanks for all the support from everyone, even though I can't respond to you all I do read your comments and appreciate it. I strongly suggest should read the book Mind Gym. The mentality you have is holding your back. First, you say you don't like making excuses, but then you go ahead and make excuses. Then you talk about how the game is has an element luck, and how your not good at controlling your anxiety. Then you say that you hope to take a few games off Life. That isn't the mindset of a champion at all. People become champions in their mind before they do it in real life. You won't beat Life if you don't think you can. Simple as that. I'm not trying to be offensive, I am trying to help you. Idra is a great player (he did quite well at BWCS), and you play him very well. You can beat Life, but you have to convince yourself of that before you do it. Good luck.
I concur. Attitude determines altitude.
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On March 05 2013 08:52 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 08:10 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others. I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL . White-Ra has significantly improved in HotS again, he barely lost against Hyun (4:5) a few days ago, I honestly would doubt Minigun would be able to keep it that close. Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there. Anyways, I guess I should be posting in a fanclub thread or something. Fans going to be fans.
It´s fine and good, that you post here, there would´nt be a point for a forum without discussion. I´d do the same, if someone else (a certain Panzerdriver for example) would be the object of arguing.
@Minigun: I did´nt know about your illness at IEM, that surely changes quite a bit. GL against Life.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
Minigun is one of the rare players that don't have issues with their game - it's just his mind, illness, anxiety, and whatnot...
As far as starcraft 2 goes, there is nothing i would rather see but Minigun performing on some LAN tourney with all that shit that's bugging him aside. I KNOW he would fucking destroy. Come on Mini, there are plenty of good vibes for you, you know that. Make us proud.
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On March 05 2013 09:03 totauksz wrote:
you're borderline ridiculous with all this lol
Minigun got raped by Scarlett 3-0 like a week ago, what about that?
gm players can take games off each other, that's nothing new. minigun beating idra isn't new wither.
She also has one of the best if not the best WOL pvz I've played against It's easily code s level
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On March 05 2013 09:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 09:03 totauksz wrote:
you're borderline ridiculous with all this lol
Minigun got raped by Scarlett 3-0 like a week ago, what about that?
gm players can take games off each other, that's nothing new. minigun beating idra isn't new wither. She also has one of the best if not the best WOL pvz I've played against It's easily code s level
not hating on you dude; actually I think you're awesome. been watching your stream to this very moment right till you stopped. also I know Scarlett is good.
but that guy i quoted started to sound extremely ridiculous
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On March 05 2013 09:59 totauksz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 09:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On March 05 2013 09:03 totauksz wrote:
you're borderline ridiculous with all this lol
Minigun got raped by Scarlett 3-0 like a week ago, what about that?
gm players can take games off each other, that's nothing new. minigun beating idra isn't new wither. She also has one of the best if not the best WOL pvz I've played against It's easily code s level not hating on you dude; actually I think you're awesome. been watching your stream to this very moment right till you stopped. also I know Scarlett is good. but that guy i quoted started to sound extremely ridiculous
Oh I know I didn't take it as hate, I have no same in getting 3-0'd by scarlett, was just giving my opinion on her
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