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On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote: Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Ghanburighan wrote: This is so silly. But it's IdrA so the world will watch.
IdrA might be making a point to David Kim, trying to get P nerfed at release.
Might help if he played worth a shit and didn't leave the game up 20 supply.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
Its all-in. But not if it doesn't go your way, then you simply recall back.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
Agreed -- there's basically zero risk to a protoss player to push out against a zerg. If your sentries run out of energy, no problem! Just recall home
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On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote: Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting. Artosis was talking about that recently. He sai dhe couldn't wait to see how devastating PartinG's immortal sentry all in will be with time warps
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On March 04 2013 07:35 Qikz wrote: Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in.
why do you speak when you have no clue? :/ it was an allin in every sense of the word
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Is there a single reason why protoss shouldn't make timing attacks now in HotS with the recall ability? There is 0% chance it's going to fail and the zerg has to react in case it's the real deal. Weird.
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I'm making a point to David Kim... I used to pay for every events in HD, now I only watch free stuff and never make time for it, it fits or I don't watch. I'd rather see this game die than stay in this stupid deathball state.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 xXFireandIceXx wrote: imagine if this was idra vs. cruncher. the drama alone would be enough
oh god I'd kill to see that again in HotS.
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Didn't EG get IdrA a sports psychologist?
Minigun did a lot of things wrong though, these losses reflect more on IdrA than on Minigun.
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haha Idra....getting completely outplayed by someone you consider "lesser than you." Idra....if you reduce your ego you might be able to stand a chance against low class foreigners :D
Minigun playing like a pro
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
It's almost ludicrous. It allows to make terrible positioning mistakes and come out unscathed. They already have plenty of space control spells with FF and time warp but the recall allows them to mess up both of those spells and still be fine.
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On March 04 2013 07:11 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:10 Shinta) wrote: This new MLG format makes me cry. Who the heck needs MLG to be played out like this? All I see is opportunity taken away from the masses and practice taken away from top pros.
Sure, pros want to make more money, but if you had KeSPA pros traveling to make a cheap buck they also wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Try building your own scene's player's careers rather than providing a decent show to watch that doesn't benefit anyone in eSports except the winner.
This isn't MLG's fault and even though I'm bashing its not so straight forward. This is just eSports not moving in the right direction. Maybe its just this one because of the Hots transition. Try to think about this point of view. From that point of view what in saying is amplified. You have all these players who were ready to debut their HotS skills against the WoL pros who maybe haven't trained enough or who haven't had as much success with HotS. These are opportunities for teams to look at new HotS player and could help build new sc2 careers.
The only way to look at this tournament and make sense of it is from a business point of view. MLG gets more viewers this way, and eSports dies a little. (Not to be taken as is eSports is #DYING, because it's not).
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Taipoka wrote:Wow. Was not paying attention to this. Kinda impressive. That´s just because of idra?
I'm going to say It's mostly because currently this is the only place you can watch new HotS content until release now that the beta is down. That and It's a sunday in NA with two popular NA players playing.
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The way minigun executed that, it did seem like there's no answer to all that (as a protoss I even sometimes see FFs and get annoyed, lack of micro or whatever). But maybe if idra didn't try to use that composition and remain passive for so long lol :S
Grrr, I want to see some hots units! :D
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On March 04 2013 07:37 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:36 ssg wrote: Im a terran, but even that game made me cry for zerg. Wow. Me too. The failed two base all in with recall into 15 minute two base all in floating tons of money is kind of silly. No flank, but FF and colossus against roach hydra is still deadly.
It wasn't an all in, it was a timing attack that forced units and he got away and started making probes again.
There's no point making more probes than your bases can handle if you know you won't be expanding super fast.
There are such things as 2 base attacks which are not all in. Not every game of Starcraft where one person has a later 3rd base is an all in. Recall makes Toss able to attack and still get away without having to lose everything. That's good for the game.
Idra had tons of units which he did nothing with. He could have contained toss, but nope he ran back to his bases for no reason.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Badfatpanda wrote:^ Admittedly though, the recall ability in PvZ is rather rage inducing in and of itself.
Everything that makes Idra rage is good for the scene!
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:35 Qikz wrote: Why the heck did idra just give up his contain for no reason?
I know, I'll run into my own bases choke points against collosus when I could have attacked as he left his base!
Also calling that an all-in is laughable as he stopped probe production at saturation on his bases, why make more probes than you need if you plan to expand later if your attack fails? He timing attacked, not all ind. You have recall now so not every protoss attack is an all in. I don't think Idra ever scouted the Colossus he never built a single corruptor.
The spire was building when the attack hit.
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IdrA had a huge lead right after that attack on the third was swatted away, but he failed to capitalize on the moving out of Minigun and let him get in a perfect position. Doesn't help that IdrA decided to take on the Protoss army straight on with Roach/Hydra against three Colossi, which nullifies Hydras.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 sitromit wrote: Just think about how bad Minigun was with his control that game, and imagine that Forcefield, Time Warp, Recall combination in the hands of a Protoss who's actually good, like Parting.
Rise of the Patch Protoss!?
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