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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
March 02 2013 01:21 GMT
#1721
On March 02 2013 10:13 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 06:45 scypio wrote:
On March 02 2013 04:54 unteqair wrote:
This is almost as satisfying as when MC got eliminated. It's great because people twice, or even three times count their anger. You all were this mad in the RO8 when you started assuming there would be a ZvZ finals, this mad after the RO8, and now here we have you again expressing the same anger as before. Maybe you lied to others and yourselves in your ostensible certainty of a ZvZ finals, otherwise you would have turned away after the RO8. No.... No.... You kept on watching, and every time you resuscitated that slither of hope it was stomped on again and again, renewing your pain and, of course the most important piece of it all, my pleasure.


No, I didn't watch. In fact, after once the GSL turned into yet another ZvZ fest late 2012 (with a sprinkle of Parting) I decided it is not worth my money. I can have my fair share of zergs winning almost everything in every European weekly / monthly cup. I can watch games played by Snute, Vortix, Nerchio, SortOf, Bly etc.

These are some good players, way above the level of average stream-viewing scrubs and they can deliver some good game. I really enjoyed the, ZvZ finals of the aAa pro challenge was pretty good (Vortix vs Snute).

GomTV twitch rebroadcast is live now and somehow I do not feel like watching it. Only 1500 are watching which is way less than what you would see for a something like a ZOTAC or GO4SC2.


are you somehow trying to claim that players like symbol, roro, curious, et al are not as good as vortix and nerchio?

no. he says that the market is oversaturated with zvz, and that nobody needs even more zvz from gom.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 01:43:42
March 02 2013 01:33 GMT
#1722
the ignorance is this thread is staggering, especially roro being called a 'sparing parter'. lol. i feel bad for roro because his accomplishments are being downplayed this badly. he beat 3 gsl champions on his way to the finals, including life, who is a zerg himself. get over yourselves, guise
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
March 02 2013 03:28 GMT
#1723
So if Roro beats Symbol and Idra beat Roro, does this mean Idra is Code S GSL Champion quality going into HotS?

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Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 12:11:36
March 02 2013 03:43 GMT
#1724
Edit: Extremely drunk ramblings
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 02 2013 04:14 GMT
#1725
On March 02 2013 12:43 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 10:33 theMagus wrote:
the ignorance is this thread is staggering, especially roro being called a 'sparing parter'. lol. i feel bad for roro because his accomplishments are being downplayed this badly. he beat 3 gsl champions on his way to the finals, including life, who is a zerg himself. get over yourselves, guise

As a zerg you will be competitive as long as you're able to play ZvZ. HotS can't come soon enough. I don't even respect the skill of a zerg that beats a T/P since almost a year ago because I know it's so easy to play (I've played 3k games as P on high master/gm and 20 or so games as zerg and my ZvP is better than my PvZ in WoL)


Good point, laddering is basically the same as GSL
BW forever || Thall
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 02 2013 04:23 GMT
#1726
On March 02 2013 12:43 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 10:33 theMagus wrote:
the ignorance is this thread is staggering, especially roro being called a 'sparing parter'. lol. i feel bad for roro because his accomplishments are being downplayed this badly. he beat 3 gsl champions on his way to the finals, including life, who is a zerg himself. get over yourselves, guise

As a zerg you will be competitive as long as you're able to play ZvZ. HotS can't come soon enough. I don't even respect the skill of a zerg that beats a T/P since almost a year ago because I know it's so easy to play (I've played 3k games as P on high master/gm and 20 or so games as zerg and my ZvP is better than my PvZ in WoL)

Yea i am sure Life cares a lot about your respect when waving his royal road sword and looking at his GSL trophy.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
March 02 2013 04:49 GMT
#1727
For all those QQ'ing about zergs being OP in this thread, salvation is close at hand. Apparently blizzard is just as tired of these all-zerg affairs as you b/c the so-called zerg expansion coming in two weeks has nerfed zerg into oblivion. Look at the results from the MLG showdowns (in HotS): ZvAll 25%, ZvP 37.5%, ZvT...0%!

It seems some terrans up in Blizz HQ are just as tired of being rolled by the zerg deathball as you.
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 05:00:07
March 02 2013 04:54 GMT
#1728
Final? What Finals? WoL is dead to me.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 05:12:28
March 02 2013 05:12 GMT
#1729
On March 02 2013 13:49 Evil_Sheep wrote:
For all those QQ'ing about zergs being OP in this thread, salvation is close at hand. Apparently blizzard is just as tired of these all-zerg affairs as you b/c the so-called zerg expansion coming in two weeks has nerfed zerg into oblivion. Look at the results from the MLG showdowns (in HotS): ZvAll 25%, ZvP 37.5%, ZvT...0%!

It seems some terrans up in Blizz HQ are just as tired of being rolled by the zerg deathball as you.


Also worth noting that all the ZvP wins were foreigner vs foreigner matches and in at least 2 of the Protoss had barely played any HotS (Titan and Caliber)
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
March 02 2013 05:20 GMT
#1730
On March 02 2013 12:43 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 10:33 theMagus wrote:
the ignorance is this thread is staggering, especially roro being called a 'sparing parter'. lol. i feel bad for roro because his accomplishments are being downplayed this badly. he beat 3 gsl champions on his way to the finals, including life, who is a zerg himself. get over yourselves, guise

As a zerg you will be competitive as long as you're able to play ZvZ. HotS can't come soon enough. I don't even respect the skill of a zerg that beats a T/P since almost a year ago because I know it's so easy to play (I've played 3k games as P on high master/gm and 20 or so games as zerg and my ZvP is better than my PvZ in WoL)


all i can say to you is read the quote that's on your own signature
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 05:28:42
March 02 2013 05:27 GMT
#1731
On March 02 2013 02:34 Sabu113 wrote:

Because the game was broken with a massive imbalance in Terran's favor for a long time and that probably has a lot of explanatory power for MVP's success.


Lol, whaaaaaaaaaaat?????????? This comment is actually bothering the fuck out of me because of how stupid it is, so let me take a few minutes of my time here to carefully explain to you why you're an idiot.

Maybe you don't remember Mvp being THE BEST player to switch over from Brood War, hands down. Nobody was even CLOSE to him in terms of skill throughout 2011 save for MMA, Leenock and DRG. They were all extremely amazing players, but Mvp was the only one of these players who was able to consistently take matches off of each one of these players, with sets that were competitive and not complete landslides; as well as maintaining domination over every single other player who was not a part of that group.

Maybe it's hard for you to accept, but based on past results, mechanic skill, playing ability and adaptability Mvp was so far ahead of the curve in 2011 that it's honestly surprising that he didn't win even more than he did. He was VERY close to making the finals several times that year, too.

Do you want to know how good Mvp is, and how little Mvp's success had to do with balance at all? Mvp was and is so good at SC2 that this year, when the meta favored Protoss and he was counted out every step of the way from the ro16 on, Mvp took the championship against many players who specialized in PvT.

This year, when Zerg dominance was at its height against a prodigy, Mvp took it to a 7th set where he was beaten for trading less than 30 supply to kill a base, and having his remaining forces taken out by a unit that was subsequently nerfed to the fucking ground because it was destroying the game.

You wanna know how insanely fucking good Mvp is? For over a year now, he hasn't even been able to maintain a normal practice schedule because it hurts his wrists too much. He's been BY FAR the most successful Terran of 2012 and he can't even play more than a handful of games some days.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
March 02 2013 05:33 GMT
#1732
On March 02 2013 14:27 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 02:34 Sabu113 wrote:

Because the game was broken with a massive imbalance in Terran's favor for a long time and that probably has a lot of explanatory power for MVP's success.


Lol, whaaaaaaaaaaat?????????? This comment is actually bothering the fuck out of me because of how stupid it is, so let me take a few minutes of my time here to carefully explain to you why you're an idiot.

Maybe you don't remember Mvp being THE BEST player to switch over from Brood War, hands down. Nobody was even CLOSE to him in terms of skill throughout 2011 save for MMA, Leenock and DRG. They were all extremely amazing players, but Mvp was the only one of these players who was able to consistently take matches off of each one of these players, with sets that were competitive and not complete landslides; as well as maintaining domination over every single other player who was not a part of that group.

Maybe it's hard for you to accept, but based on past results, mechanic skill, playing ability and adaptability Mvp was so far ahead of the curve in 2011 that it's honestly surprising that he didn't win even more than he did. He was VERY close to making the finals several times that year, too.

Do you want to know how good Mvp is, and how little Mvp's success had to do with balance at all? Mvp was and is so good at SC2 that this year, when the meta favored Protoss and he was counted out every step of the way from the ro16 on, Mvp took the championship against many players who specialized in PvT.

This year, when Zerg dominance was at its height against a prodigy, Mvp took it to a 7th set where he was beaten for trading less than 30 supply to kill a base, and having his remaining forces taken out by a unit that was subsequently nerfed to the fucking ground because it was destroying the game.

You wanna know how insanely fucking good Mvp is? For over a year now, he hasn't even been able to maintain a normal practice schedule because it hurts his wrists too much. He's been BY FAR the most successful Terran of 2012 and he can't even play more than a handful of games some days.


completely agree with you. mvp took down hero, parting and squirtle to win code s, at a time when protoss almost seemed unstoppable.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 02 2013 05:34 GMT
#1733
Mvp is still the only Terran player to even play in a GSL finals since 2011, never mind win a GSL. Any arguments that he relied on Terran being strong to win go out the window when he was the only player of his race capable of making it to the finals since the Terran nerfs. Taeja was close twice to be fair, double ro4.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 02 2013 05:35 GMT
#1734
Taeja T.T

Oh well, honestly Icarus being a terrible map and Taeja being unnecessarily greedy on multiple occasions made for this ZvZ final more than imbalance imo.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
March 02 2013 05:40 GMT
#1735
On March 02 2013 13:23 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 12:43 Valikyr wrote:
On March 02 2013 10:33 theMagus wrote:
the ignorance is this thread is staggering, especially roro being called a 'sparing parter'. lol. i feel bad for roro because his accomplishments are being downplayed this badly. he beat 3 gsl champions on his way to the finals, including life, who is a zerg himself. get over yourselves, guise

As a zerg you will be competitive as long as you're able to play ZvZ. HotS can't come soon enough. I don't even respect the skill of a zerg that beats a T/P since almost a year ago because I know it's so easy to play (I've played 3k games as P on high master/gm and 20 or so games as zerg and my ZvP is better than my PvZ in WoL)

Yea i am sure Life cares a lot about your respect when waving his royal road sword and looking at his GSL trophy.


GSL trophies* he won Blizz Cup too. And don't forget that shiny MLG trophy. And honestly, he could probably coax some respect out of people with that giant sword if he really wanted to.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
March 02 2013 05:50 GMT
#1736
On March 02 2013 14:40 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 13:23 Assirra wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:43 Valikyr wrote:
On March 02 2013 10:33 theMagus wrote:
the ignorance is this thread is staggering, especially roro being called a 'sparing parter'. lol. i feel bad for roro because his accomplishments are being downplayed this badly. he beat 3 gsl champions on his way to the finals, including life, who is a zerg himself. get over yourselves, guise

As a zerg you will be competitive as long as you're able to play ZvZ. HotS can't come soon enough. I don't even respect the skill of a zerg that beats a T/P since almost a year ago because I know it's so easy to play (I've played 3k games as P on high master/gm and 20 or so games as zerg and my ZvP is better than my PvZ in WoL)

Yea i am sure Life cares a lot about your respect when waving his royal road sword and looking at his GSL trophy.


GSL trophies* he won Blizz Cup too. And don't forget that shiny MLG trophy. And honestly, he could probably coax some respect out of people with that giant sword if he really wanted to.

He can also do awesome cosplay of Eddard Stark.

"HotS is comming."
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 02 2013 08:08 GMT
#1737
On March 02 2013 02:01 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 01:43 TimENT wrote:
On March 02 2013 01:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 02 2013 01:04 Wingblade wrote:
On March 02 2013 00:57 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 02 2013 00:20 Wingblade wrote:
The funniest thing is that LR threads aren't filled with balance whine every time Protoss gets beaten like a rented mule in GSL(that's most of the time). Maybe because Terran is so used to having it easy and now that they don't, suddenly IMBA. Don't worry Terran your looking in fine shape for Hots!


Maybe the P race doesn't have the same appeal. For me, sc is all about evil humans fighting badass insects, and then some alien guy who wasn't invited to the party shows up and fire his laser. More seriously, TvZ has always been the royal matchup in the sc universe, the matchup in which the bw bonjwas became bonjwa, meanwhile P players failed to build such story lines. Maybe this is a legacy from bw, but if TvZ in sc2 looks fucked as it is now, and as it was in early wol, then people will be more likely to go apeshit because this match-up is sc2's main event. If P is struggling, well that's unfortunate but less of a news.

I'm a racist cunt.


It's quite sad too, people saying that TvZ is the best matchup is more of a carryover from BW and early 2012 SC2 than any actual truth. TvP has been the best-designed and most dynamic matchup for almost a year now, super early pressure is still viable, armies are constantly moving around the map, there's a ton of multitasking, and it's well balanced.


Yeah I fully agree and most people think the same way I guess. Despite being limited on tech choice (no mech or skytoss), TvP is tense and action-packed.


TvT is easily better than TvP. TvZ was far superior to TvP when mutalingbling vs marinetank existed.


I have to disagree TvT is not better than TvP. Watching TvT looks like I'm watching World War 1 koprulu sector style. And that's bio-mech, watching a Mech v Mech game is like watching a sumo match that last 20+ minutes. I've never found appeal in the matchup, call me super bias but it looks like a giant standoff until someone makes a mistake and then it ends.

My thought exactly. Looking at those sieged tanks shooting at each other don't appeal me at all. I mean, a tank is an immobile unit when sieged. I know you have to position them and that this is strategical, which is fine, but I prefer something that moves more. Of course you have the drops etc, but still these tank wars remain the main of the battle. But well, here when I say that I'm told "I'm different" (which means I'm not a terran fanboy !?)
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 02 2013 08:11 GMT
#1738
On March 02 2013 02:10 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 01:22 Greenei wrote:
'I'm so surprised that the finals will be ZvZ' - Nobody

"I'm glad it's ZvZ!" - Less people.

I'm ok with ZvZ. Games are rarely too long and a lot of micro wars at the start of the game. The bad part being of course the roach vs roach wars, but for GSL finals I expect something quit exciting.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
March 02 2013 08:15 GMT
#1739
BTW, for anyone who missed the last game: The jokes about the hellion CV/resumee were hilarious, i was laughing non-stop. I almost forgot how funny Tastosis can be.
the game is the game
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 02 2013 10:11 GMT
#1740
On March 02 2013 17:08 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 02:01 Wingblade wrote:
On March 02 2013 01:43 TimENT wrote:
On March 02 2013 01:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 02 2013 01:04 Wingblade wrote:
On March 02 2013 00:57 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 02 2013 00:20 Wingblade wrote:
The funniest thing is that LR threads aren't filled with balance whine every time Protoss gets beaten like a rented mule in GSL(that's most of the time). Maybe because Terran is so used to having it easy and now that they don't, suddenly IMBA. Don't worry Terran your looking in fine shape for Hots!


Maybe the P race doesn't have the same appeal. For me, sc is all about evil humans fighting badass insects, and then some alien guy who wasn't invited to the party shows up and fire his laser. More seriously, TvZ has always been the royal matchup in the sc universe, the matchup in which the bw bonjwas became bonjwa, meanwhile P players failed to build such story lines. Maybe this is a legacy from bw, but if TvZ in sc2 looks fucked as it is now, and as it was in early wol, then people will be more likely to go apeshit because this match-up is sc2's main event. If P is struggling, well that's unfortunate but less of a news.

I'm a racist cunt.


It's quite sad too, people saying that TvZ is the best matchup is more of a carryover from BW and early 2012 SC2 than any actual truth. TvP has been the best-designed and most dynamic matchup for almost a year now, super early pressure is still viable, armies are constantly moving around the map, there's a ton of multitasking, and it's well balanced.


Yeah I fully agree and most people think the same way I guess. Despite being limited on tech choice (no mech or skytoss), TvP is tense and action-packed.


TvT is easily better than TvP. TvZ was far superior to TvP when mutalingbling vs marinetank existed.


I have to disagree TvT is not better than TvP. Watching TvT looks like I'm watching World War 1 koprulu sector style. And that's bio-mech, watching a Mech v Mech game is like watching a sumo match that last 20+ minutes. I've never found appeal in the matchup, call me super bias but it looks like a giant standoff until someone makes a mistake and then it ends.

My thought exactly. Looking at those sieged tanks shooting at each other don't appeal me at all. I mean, a tank is an immobile unit when sieged. I know you have to position them and that this is strategical, which is fine, but I prefer something that moves more. Of course you have the drops etc, but still these tank wars remain the main of the battle. But well, here when I say that I'm told "I'm different" (which means I'm not a terran fanboy !?)

That's the whole reason why TvT is good, the powerful nature of the siege tank means you can't just chase each other around and smack armies into each other and flood the screen with infested Terrans or colossus lasers. You have to think carefully about how you engage, often trade lots of supply for small positional gains, and harassing well and knowing how to split up your army is key. It's a way more interesting type of game to watch than the other mirrors.
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