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Deleted User 245622
Profile Joined January 2012
184 Posts
February 25 2013 10:41 GMT
#501
ego by the saturdays
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 25 2013 10:41 GMT
#502
Quick break so I want to ask this:

Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far?

Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

Yes (37)
 
82%

Undecided (6)
 
13%

No (2)
 
4%

45 total votes

Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided



For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
February 25 2013 10:41 GMT
#503
This song, I hate it.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 25 2013 10:41 GMT
#504
On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all.

That drop denial was alllll Hots.


The first one, second one was stormed out.
The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL


TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time.

Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units.

What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
February 25 2013 10:41 GMT
#505
Does Attack speed get reduced in timewarp ?
@taefoxy
Strydor
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore95 Posts
February 25 2013 10:42 GMT
#506
On February 25 2013 19:41 Porishan wrote:
Does Attack speed get reduced in timewarp ?


No.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
February 25 2013 10:42 GMT
#507
On February 25 2013 19:35 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:34 AxionSteel wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:33 Fearest wrote:
i don't see how Terran can win versus Protoss. It was bad in WoL, but now it's just ridiculous.


Terran was strong against protoss in WoL.



nah, late game terran vs protoss is pretty bad. It's just that zerg kind of overshadow that since it's so much worst


tell that to byun
Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
February 25 2013 10:42 GMT
#508
On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.

I mean, it's just a jump to the left.


That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ...

Worlds of difference...


This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll.
Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 25 2013 10:42 GMT
#509
On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:
Quick break so I want to ask this:

Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far?

Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

Yes (37)
 
82%

Undecided (6)
 
13%

No (2)
 
4%

45 total votes

Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided



For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action.


I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better.

For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
February 25 2013 10:43 GMT
#510
On February 25 2013 19:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all.

That drop denial was alllll Hots.


The first one, second one was stormed out.
The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL


TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time.

Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units.

What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug


Really can't see pros using ravens vs protoss, for the reason you suggested.

bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 25 2013 10:43 GMT
#511
On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:
Quick break so I want to ask this:

Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far?

Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

Yes (37)
 
82%

Undecided (6)
 
13%

No (2)
 
4%

45 total votes

Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided



For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action.

Hots gameplay looks significantly better, and with a couple of months of data + some minor number changes the game should be undeniably better.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
February 25 2013 10:43 GMT
#512
On February 25 2013 19:42 Alak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.

I mean, it's just a jump to the left.


That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ...

Worlds of difference...


This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll.


If anyone ever does a proper Time Warp ceremony I will go to Korea personally and kiss them.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 25 2013 10:44 GMT
#513
On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:
Quick break so I want to ask this:

Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far?

Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

Yes (37)
 
82%

Undecided (6)
 
13%

No (2)
 
4%

45 total votes

Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided



For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action.


I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better.

For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far.

I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 25 2013 10:44 GMT
#514
On February 25 2013 19:43 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all.

That drop denial was alllll Hots.


The first one, second one was stormed out.
The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL


TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time.

Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units.

What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug


Really can't see pros using ravens vs protoss, for the reason you suggested.



Ravens are ridiculously good lategame with Ghosts and a mech composition
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 25 2013 10:44 GMT
#515
On February 25 2013 19:43 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all.

That drop denial was alllll Hots.


The first one, second one was stormed out.
The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL


TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time.

Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units.

What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug


Really can't see pros using ravens vs protoss, for the reason you suggested.



Well I was just throwing it out as a possibility to add in to the standard MMMGV composition vs Protoss.

Outside of more possible Raven usage there really isn't another unit in the Terran arsenal that adds anything of real value to the bio playstyle in the late game so it's going to continue to look a lot like WoL TvP.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
February 25 2013 10:45 GMT
#516
On February 25 2013 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:42 Alak wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.

I mean, it's just a jump to the left.


That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ...

Worlds of difference...


This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll.


If anyone ever does a proper Time Warp ceremony I will go to Korea personally and kiss them.


I would join you in a heartbeat. Quick, someone introduce Rocky Horror to the proteams! I want them to dream Meatloaf and breathe Tim Curry!
Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-25 10:46:05
February 25 2013 10:45 GMT
#517
On February 25 2013 19:44 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:
Quick break so I want to ask this:

Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far?

Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

Yes (37)
 
82%

Undecided (6)
 
13%

No (2)
 
4%

45 total votes

Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided



For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action.


I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better.

For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far.

I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason.


Right now it definitely is. Mutalisks dominate the match up in a big way.

But I guess if it worked for Brood War it can work for SC2.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
February 25 2013 10:45 GMT
#518
On February 25 2013 19:42 Alak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.

I mean, it's just a jump to the left.


That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ...

Worlds of difference...


This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll.


I'm putting my hands on my hips I'm so annoyed.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
February 25 2013 10:46 GMT
#519
On February 25 2013 19:44 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:43 AxionSteel wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all.

That drop denial was alllll Hots.


The first one, second one was stormed out.
The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL


TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time.

Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units.

What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug


Really can't see pros using ravens vs protoss, for the reason you suggested.



Well I was just throwing it out as a possibility to add in to the standard MMMGV composition vs Protoss.

Outside of more possible Raven usage there really isn't another unit in the Terran arsenal that adds anything of real value to the bio playstyle in the late game so it's going to continue to look a lot like WoL TvP.


you actually add ravens to your composition in late game in TvP when they add tempests to their army composition
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 25 2013 10:46 GMT
#520
Well terran openings are super different in beta. Tons of gas openings that can put protoss behind really fast. Mech is pretty good if played well.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
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