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On February 25 2013 19:45 Alak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:43 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Alak wrote:On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.
I mean, it's just a jump to the left. That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ... Worlds of difference... This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll. If anyone ever does a proper Time Warp ceremony I will go to Korea personally and kiss them. I would join you in a heartbeat. Quick, someone introduce Rocky Horror to the proteams! I want them to dream Meatloaf and breathe Tim Curry!
I want Gom to put on Rocky Horror as a stage show. Khaldor will be Rocky. Artosis will be Dr Frank-N-Furter
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i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different.
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On February 25 2013 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:44 bo1b wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:Quick break so I want to ask this: Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far? Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?Yes (37) 82% Undecided (6) 13% No (2) 4% 45 total votes Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided
For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action. I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better. For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far. I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason. Right now it definitely is. Mutalisks dominate the match up in a big way.
Yes this. Every matchup is better except ZvZ, which is sad because ZvZ was definitely the most improved at the close of WoL. I still have hope though.
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I don't think it will be like Broodwar, since SC vanilla is so much worst than its expansion, but i think HotS will be a lot better than WoL.
No turtle Zergs, less abusable composition and more micro intensive units make it better alone.
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Is Symbol even at the studio?
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Austria24417 Posts
On February 25 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different.
This.
Also there will be tons of nerfs, buffs and tweaks. I predict that swarm hosts will be nerfed into nonexistence.
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On February 25 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different.
Yeah, I agree. Tentatively there appears to be a lot more room for different kinds of controlling space in the late game, and every race seems to have more options in every phase of the game overall.
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On February 25 2013 19:46 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:45 Alak wrote:On February 25 2013 19:43 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Alak wrote:On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.
I mean, it's just a jump to the left. That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ... Worlds of difference... This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll. If anyone ever does a proper Time Warp ceremony I will go to Korea personally and kiss them. I would join you in a heartbeat. Quick, someone introduce Rocky Horror to the proteams! I want them to dream Meatloaf and breathe Tim Curry! I want Gom to put on Rocky Horror as a stage show. Khaldor will be Rocky. Artosis will be Dr Frank-N-Furter
I don't know if I could handle Artosis in drag.
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On February 25 2013 19:47 Herect wrote:
I don't think it will be like Broodwar, since SC vanilla is so much worst than its expansion, but i think HotS will be a lot better than WoL.
No turtle Zergs, less abusable composition and more micro intensive units make it better alone.
I hope it will not be like Broodwar... WoL was already more fun to play!
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On February 25 2013 19:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:44 bo1b wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:Quick break so I want to ask this: Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far? Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?Yes (37) 82% Undecided (6) 13% No (2) 4% 45 total votes Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided
For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action. I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better. For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far. I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason. Right now it definitely is. Mutalisks dominate the match up in a big way. Yes this. Every matchup is better except ZvZ, which is sad because ZvZ was definitely the most improved at the close of WoL. I still have hope though.
DUDE, no matchup was as improved as PvP. It went from 4gate every single game to sometimes carrier lategame.
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On February 25 2013 19:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different. This. Also there will be tons of nerfs, buffs and tweaks. I predict that swarm hosts will be nerfed into nonexistence.
It seems like they are already in nonexistence, I'm not seeing them be used in GSTL.
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On February 25 2013 19:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different. This. Also there will be tons of nerfs, buffs and tweaks. I predict that swarm hosts will be nerfed into nonexistence.
I disagree very much so.
I think the Swarm Host will inevitably be one of the best new additions to the game once players figure out how to use it and counter it properly.
I'm saying this more on faith but there's a lot of glimpses of potential in the unit that I've seen that make me hopeful about it.
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On February 25 2013 19:42 Alak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:40 MiraMax wrote:On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.
I mean, it's just a jump to the left. That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ... Worlds of difference... This is true, and I apologize. I guess madness takes its toll.
No worries. I agree that like many other HOTS innovations time warp still lacks a bit of that pelvic thrust that really drives you insane...
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On February 25 2013 19:47 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different. Yeah, I agree. Tentatively there appears to be a lot more room for different kinds of controlling space in the late game, and every race seems to have more options in every phase of the game overall.
Which is why it should be better. Not including another Queen range patch of course lol.
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On February 25 2013 19:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 25 2013 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:44 bo1b wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:Quick break so I want to ask this: Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far? Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?Yes (37) 82% Undecided (6) 13% No (2) 4% 45 total votes Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided
For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action. I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better. For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far. I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason. Right now it definitely is. Mutalisks dominate the match up in a big way. Yes this. Every matchup is better except ZvZ, which is sad because ZvZ was definitely the most improved at the close of WoL. I still have hope though. DUDE, no matchup was as improved as PvP. It went from 4gate every single game to sometimes carrier lategame.
I actually think pvp got worse lol over time in wol lol.
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On February 25 2013 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:43 AxionSteel wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all. That drop denial was alllll Hots. The first one, second one was stormed out. The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time. Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units. What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug Really can't see pros using ravens vs protoss, for the reason you suggested. Ravens are ridiculously good lategame with Ghosts and a mech composition
yea lol
just watch thorzain. an army out of raven/viking/battle cruiser/ghost and some tanks is basically impossible to beat as protoss. mass pdd soak up stalker/tempest shots for ever. ghost beat ht with good control and hunter seeker missile or yamato cannon deal massive damage to carrier and tempest. vikings destroy void rays/colossai. there is not much you can do in a direct fight.
maybe it isnt impossible to beat but it is super cost effective. it is difficult to get there of course.
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opterown
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On February 25 2013 19:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 25 2013 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:44 bo1b wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:Quick break so I want to ask this: Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far? Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?Yes (37) 82% Undecided (6) 13% No (2) 4% 45 total votes Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided
For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action. I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better. For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far. I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason. Right now it definitely is. Mutalisks dominate the match up in a big way. Yes this. Every matchup is better except ZvZ, which is sad because ZvZ was definitely the most improved at the close of WoL. I still have hope though. DUDE, no matchup was as improved as PvP. It went from 4gate every single game to sometimes carrier lategame.
4gate into collosus wars :p
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On February 25 2013 19:49 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 25 2013 19:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 25 2013 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:44 bo1b wrote:On February 25 2013 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Asha` wrote:Quick break so I want to ask this: Do you think HotS looks like an improvement gameplay wise so far? Poll: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far?Yes (37) 82% Undecided (6) 13% No (2) 4% 45 total votes Your vote: Do you think HotS has better gameplay than WoL so far? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided
For me I think it does, games seem more consistently paced at least with a good steady stream of action. I can actually stand ZvP now so HotS is automatically better. For real though I think every matchup is better other than ZvZ, I'm undecided on that so far. I actually think that zvz is probably going to be worse for some reason. Right now it definitely is. Mutalisks dominate the match up in a big way. Yes this. Every matchup is better except ZvZ, which is sad because ZvZ was definitely the most improved at the close of WoL. I still have hope though. DUDE, no matchup was as improved as PvP. It went from 4gate every single game to sometimes carrier lategame. I actually think pvp got worse lol over time in wol lol.
I think so too.
I'd rather watch 10 4 gate games than have to sit through a single 40 minute game of LAZER WARS.
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On February 25 2013 19:48 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 25 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
i think hots looks good in terms of gameplay just because it is new, and we haven't seen much of it. can't really say much about whether it might become stale over time.
after all, a generic lategame wol zvp might have been voted one of the best games ever had it happened in early 2011, since it would have been different. This. Also there will be tons of nerfs, buffs and tweaks. I predict that swarm hosts will be nerfed into nonexistence. I disagree very much so. I think the Swarm Host will inevitably be one of the best new additions to the game once players figure out how to use it and counter it properly. I'm saying this more on faith but there's a lot of glimpses of potential in the unit that I've seen that make me hopeful about it.
I think it'll be the worst addition once it's figured out, lol. It forces all ins and I hate that.
People don't appreciate PvP enough. Yeah it's lots of laz0r wars but at least getting there is interesting. More interesting than 4gate wars at least.
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On February 25 2013 19:49 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 25 2013 19:43 AxionSteel wrote:On February 25 2013 19:41 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all. That drop denial was alllll Hots. The first one, second one was stormed out. The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL TBH that's how PvT has been going on the beta for a long time. Mech is better off than WoL but it's still hard as fuck to play it perfectly so most Terrans will stick with bio play which doesn't really benefit much at all from the new units. What I can see happening is some more incorporation of Ravens into the match up since Seeker Missile is now so much better but that's a risky transition considering the power of Feedback. /shrug Really can't see pros using ravens vs protoss, for the reason you suggested. Ravens are ridiculously good lategame with Ghosts and a mech composition yea lol just watch thorzain. an army out of raven/viking/battle cruiser/ghost and some tanks is basically impossible to beat as protoss. mass pdd soak up stalker/tempest shots for ever. ghost beat ht with good control and hunter seeker missile or yamato cannon deal massive damage to carrier and tempest. vikings destroy void rays/colossai. there is not much you can do in a direct fight. maybe it isnt impossible to beat but it is super cost effective.
That sounds like Thorzain.
Obvious problem with that kind of unit composition is how ridiculously hard it is to get out that combination of units due to the insane amount of gas required.
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